Moises Caicedo was left out of the Seagulls' squad for their friendly with Rayo Vallecano. . .

And so, our over paying for Caicedo is imminent. 

Personally I'd continue the pursuit of Caicedo but only to disrupt the player/team and then I'd use the same fax machine we did with Ziyech last January.
 

 

7 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Moises Caicedo was left out of the Seagulls' squad for their friendly with Rayo Vallecano. . .

And so, our over paying for Caicedo is imminent. 

Personally I'd continue the pursuit of Caicedo but only to disrupt the player/team and then I'd use the same fax machine we did with Ziyech last January.
 

 

You assume the issue was with the fax machine and not the user - I'd be looking if the same employee!

Its happening in the next 24 hours. 

 

13 hours ago, abister1 said:

Really? In what planet? 

What you need to know is that if they live up to their potential one of the big 2 in Spain come for them and with players from a South American background, that is the pinnacle of their career. They genuinely dreamed about playing for those clubs as kids so it's a foregone conclusion that if they live up to their potential and one of the big 2 come for them, they go. 

All you can hope for is that in that time we win something but no chance they stay 10+ years with good performance. 

With the contracts they're on if they want them in their primes and they want to go bidding starts at a lot more than what we paid for them.

Brighton: Bend over!!!

Chelsea: Am wide open, do you need lube??

Brighton: NO!!

I know we really do need a player in the Caicedo mould, but once, just once,  I would love Chelsea to tell Tony Bloom and Brighton HA to F*CK RIGHT OFF !!!!!

There MUST be an available alternative ?????

3 minutes ago, coombsie said:

I know we really do need a player in the Caicedo mould, but once, just once,  I would love Chelsea to tell Tony Bloom and Brighton HA to F*CK RIGHT OFF !!!!!

There MUST be an available alternative ?????

Why should Tony Bloom bend over? Do you respect people that just hand over players so that strong get stronger? I don't understand how people get animated towards someone who thinks they deserve better. You don't want Chelsea to bend over. 

11 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why should Tony Bloom bend over? Do you respect people that just hand over players so that strong get stronger? I don't understand how people get animated towards someone who thinks they deserve better. You don't want Chelsea to bend over. 

What I want and what I get from Chelsea transfer dealings are two totally different things. I just happen to think that Bloom has cottoned on to our desperation to employ a complete team of ex Brighton players. His valuation of Caicedo is universally considered to be "too high" for a player with one good season under his belt, yet we will undoubtedly pay it. Personally, I just wish we wouldn't !! 

13 minutes ago, evissy said:

Why should Tony Bloom bend over? Do you respect people that just hand over players so that strong get stronger? I don't understand how people get animated towards someone who thinks they deserve better. You don't want Chelsea to bend over. 

Unfortunately I have read some opinions which do translate to the poster wanting Chelsea to bend over. When we're bidding, we see posts saying something like, "The board should stop low-balling and just pay the asking price." on the other hand, when we're selling, we get, "Todd should stop messing around for only x millions more, and just accept the bid on the table."

3 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Unfortunately I have read some opinions which do translate to the poster wanting Chelsea to bend over. When we're bidding, we see posts saying something like, "The board should stop low-balling and just pay the asking price." on the other hand, when we're selling, we get, "Todd should stop messing around for only x millions more, and just accept the bid on the table."

I certainly DO NOT want Chelsea to bend over. In fact, I wish that Chelsea had exited this one horse race to sign Caicedo at around £70m and I considered that TOO MUCH. I want them to find an alternative who is much better value for money.

14 hours ago, abister1 said:

Really? In what planet? 

What you need to know is that if they live up to their potential one of the big 2 in Spain come for them and with players from a South American background, that is the pinnacle of their career. They genuinely dreamed about playing for those clubs as kids so it's a foregone conclusion that if they live up to their potential and one of the big 2 come for them, they go. 

All you can hope for is that in that time we win something but no chance they stay 10+ years with good performance. 

It's worse than that even. If they are genuinely top level, we don't get them in the first place. Look at the quality of South American talent which sign for the Spanish giants, compared to that of the ones who sign for us. We get Oscar and Kennedy, they get Neymar and Vinicius Jr.

6 minutes ago, coombsie said:

I certainly DO NOT want Chelsea to bend over. In fact, I wish that Chelsea had exited this one horse race to sign Caicedo at around £70m and I considered that TOO MUCH. I want them to find an alternative who is much better value for money.

If you have made an earlier comment which you think I might have misinterpreted to mean that I included you in that category of poster, I can tell you that I did not. I wasn't referencing any post in particular, just the many I've seen over the years.

Strangely, I want us to get to a place where we can pay the big money, and not be bothered about it. Our problem is that we have never quite managed to be in a place where we buy because we want to. Instead we are forever going to the market because we have to. This makes us vulnerable to clubs jacking up their prices, and our owners feeling the pressure to pay them.

Much better of course to be in the position City have put themselves in were they never buy because they are desperate, so can cherry pick their targets, and buy when it suits them. If they overpay, like with Grealish for example, it doesn't matter because they only want one or two every summer and these are the ones they believe will keep them at the top. It also means that they are a stable club which can time their signings to 'play' they market. They got Haaland and Gvardiol for less than £150m, we would have had to pay over £300m to get those players.

We need a period of calm, stable and effective squad building to improve our situation.

1 hour ago, coombsie said:

I certainly DO NOT want Chelsea to bend over. In fact, I wish that Chelsea had exited this one horse race to sign Caicedo at around £70m and I considered that TOO MUCH. I want them to find an alternative who is much better value for money.

The saga over Enzo suggests we will ultimately back down and pay what Brighton are asking for. Bloom is probably assuming that too. That being said we could probably sign Tyler Adams, Kudus, and Olise for the combined fee being proposed for Caicedo.

14 minutes ago, forbzy said:

The saga over Enzo suggests we will ultimately back down and pay what Brighton are asking for. Bloom is probably assuming that too. That being said we could probably sign Tyler Adams, Kudus, and Olise for the combined fee being proposed for Caicedo.

If we would buy three for the price of one and those three don't deliver what we need in a certain match - or season even - a new discussion would develop. I'm thinking of the time when we bought the Bakayoko and the Drinkwater types: if we had pooled those transfers sums to sign one quality player we would have been in better shape, etcetera etcetera. 

There are always at least two ways of looking at it and we discuss it ad nauseam, especially when we can't have everybody in the squad and can't offload the surplus.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

With the contracts they're on if they want them in their primes and they want to go bidding starts at a lot more than what we paid for them.

Agreed and a few people have said that in response to my comment too. 

I think the point is being missed, a ten year stay indicates stability and the arguments some are making about pay £100m and sort us out for the next 10 years becomes mute because whether they bid for them at £50m, £100m or £150m it still throws the squad into turmoil and stability out the window as we then need to rebuild again and look to fill the vacated position. 

If indeed Caicedo is the one in the million, do or die player some have vociferously argued for, then what happens next without the said do or die player? 

We will be looking for someone else. And that's the point I was trying to make. When Hazard left we got big bucks, would you say we were better off with Pulisic, Werner, Havertz, Ziyech or even CHO and Mount people thought could replace him? Not even close. Since he left we haven't got anyone close to replicating Eden's wow factor. 

 

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

Agreed and a few people have said that in response to my comment too. 

I think the point is being missed, a ten year stay indicates stability and the arguments some are making about pay £100m and sort us out for the next 10 years becomes mute because whether they bid for them at £50m, £100m or £150m it still throws the squad into turmoil and stability out the window as we then need to rebuild again and look to fill the vacated position. 

If indeed Caicedo is the one in the million, do or die player some have vociferously argued for, then what happens next without the said do or die player? 

We will be looking for someone else. And that's the point I was trying to make. When Hazard left we got big bucks, would you say we were better off with Pulisic, Werner, Havertz, Ziyech or even CHO and Mount people thought could replace him? Not even close. Since he left we haven't got anyone close to replicating Eden's wow factor. 

 

I’m not sure what you mean, are you saying we shouldn’t bother trying to buy anyone who has any potential because they will eventually leave? I’m mean I’m happy to have the likes of Hazard playing for us for the best part of their career even if they do eventually leave.  Players leave, players retire it’s the name of the game, some players are harder to replace than others.  What does City do when De Bruyne retires what did Madrid do when Ronaldo left?
The aim is to be the best at which point it will be less desirable to leave or we might as well just stick with Bakayoko, he would have stayed forever given the opportunity.

5 hours ago, El regreso said:

Brighton: Bend over!!!

Chelsea: Am wide open, do you need lube??

Brighton: NO!!

Brighton: Bend over!!!

Chelsea: Am wide open

Brighton: do you need lube??

Chelsea: NO!!

If we spend £100+ million with them, under no circumstance can we finish below them.

43 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Brighton: Bend over!!!

Chelsea: Am wide open

Brighton: do you need lube??

Chelsea: NO!!

Brighton: Hmmmm. While I'm back here, some haemorrhoid cream wouldn't go astray.

Looks like that Ecuadorian Romano was wrong.

No deal agreed yet, price upped to 105mill from what Jan Said on football therapy. 

To re-cap:  Where the hell are we at again?

Q. did Moises Caicedo agree personal terms with Chelsea? Yes, I believe that he did this quite some time ago.
Q. did Moises Caicedo submit a transfer request?  I seem to remember that he did, but did he?

How much was our last offer? That was rejected. 85 million quid right?

Do we really want him?
Do we need him?
I forget. He is good right?

 

1 hour ago, DarkMata said:

I’m not sure what you mean, are you saying we shouldn’t bother trying to buy anyone who has any potential because they will eventually leave? I’m mean I’m happy to have the likes of Hazard playing for us for the best part of their career even if they do eventually leave.  Players leave, players retire it’s the name of the game, some players are harder to replace than others.  What does City do when De Bruyne retires what did Madrid do when Ronaldo left?
The aim is to be the best at which point it will be less desirable to leave or we might as well just stick with Bakayoko, he would have stayed forever given the opportunity.

I think the point is being missed again. 

I think the point is being missed, a ten year stay indicates stability and the arguments some are making about pay £100m and sort us out for the next 10 years becomes mute because whether they bid for them at £50m, £100m or £150m it still throws the squad into turmoil and stability out the window as we then need to rebuild again and look to fill the vacated position. 

I haven't argued against buying the best players, I have argued against the timing and making a rod for our back in the transfer market. 

It's an overused cliché in football these days but there's no denying we are in a rebuild phase. Until we get it right we will keep going to the market to buy what we think we need. As a result of our recent activities, clubs will adjust their prices whenever we are in town.

I think you should spend such a sum at the end of your rebuild phase to get the final pieces in place otherwise you might risk trying to put a squad together that keeps getting picked apart in almost perpetuity. 

One, because the players you want to rebuild with will not fancy long term commitment if the success isn't there and as long as there's another attractive proposition. 

Two, you might effectively price yourself out (no pun intended) of being able to compete on price later down the line when you really need to spend big, because of the constraints of FFP and also affordability as you have spent big earlier. 

And another consequence may be you find yourself in a similar situation as Man united of today, no one really goes there because of what they once were or are, but what they pay. 

6 hours ago, El regreso said:

Brighton: Bend over!!!

Chelsea: Am wide open, do you need lube??

Brighton: NO!!

Ice cube style, no vaseline. 😂

Caicedo is doing his bit now, so I think it’s now time to pay the money this week and integrate him into the squad ASAP.

We could possibly save a few million with a last minute bid before the window slams shut and he then joins the team in the middle of September AFTER the international break and then hopefully we see him in a blue shirt before the END of September.

Or, we can pay now and have him turn out for us in the next week or so, maybe even on Sunday against Liverpool if we can wrap up this deal in the next couple of days.

I know which option makes more sense to me anymore.

 

We will actually make around £13m this week as soon as Liveramento moves to Newcastle so that’s the haggling difference right there more than likely.

Nobody is going on about the Declan Rice saga anymore because he’s playing football for Arsenal and getting more used to his teammates every single day.

I really think it’s time to put an end to this saga and do what’s best for Pochettino and the team rather than needlessly dragging this out for another month.

He’s a quality player and denying ourselves him for a few matches while we play silly games with Brighton makes no sense to me anymore.

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37 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Looks like that Ecuadorian Romano was wrong.

No deal agreed yet, price upped to 105mill from what Jan Said on football therapy. 

If they move the goalposts again we should 100% move away for the disrespect alone.