18 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Looking at it objectively, our best midfield pivot doesn’t include either of the £100m+ men. 

Yes, but I think that has more to do with the manager than most think.

I thought Caicedo & Enzo would drag us a long way towards Top 4 tbh and when we do get a manager that gets the best out of them I think it will ring true. Perhaps Poch changes and becomes that manager but he should hurry up then as far as i'm concerned.

He looks injured like he’s carrying a knock but willing to play to help the team because he was far more dynamic at Brighton all over the pitch winning tackles everywhere.

7 minutes ago, El regreso said:

He looks injured like he’s carrying a knock but willing to play to help the team because he was far more dynamic at Brighton all over the pitch winning tackles everywhere.

Because De Zerbi's system allowed him to be free and dominate in midfield instead of being locked in place as some poor lone CDM.
Anyone remember the performance he had against us last season? Rarely have I seen someone as dominant at Stamford Bridge.

I am sure plenty will disagree but I would have loved to see what De Zerbi could do with a Enzo & Caicedo pivot with Colwill as the CB behind them. If the current squad is tailor made for any available manager it would be him.

 

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Because De Zerbi's system allowed him to be free and dominate in midfield instead of being locked in place as some poor lone CDM.
Anyone remember the performance he had against us last season? Rarely have I seen someone as dominant at Stamford Bridge.

I am sure plenty will disagree but I would have loved to see what De Zerbi could do with a Enzo & Caicedo pivot with Colwill as the CB behind them. If the current squad is tailor made for any available manager it would be him.

 

RDZ team seem to play with a lot more movement and players not receiving the ball with the opposition on top of them .

At the moment the midfield is fairly static and rooted in position 

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One daAy! He'll be as good as Kante was! And Enzo as good as Jorginho! And Lavi... Aand when that day comes we'll win the Superbowl Union League of Champions!

 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

One daAy! He'll be as good as Kante was! And Enzo as good as Jorginho! And Lavi... Aand when that day comes we'll win the Superbowl Union League of Champions!

 

As good as Gorgeous Jorgie?  You took it too far there Gol. That's an insurmountable level.

5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

One daAy! He'll be as good as Kante was! And Enzo as good as Jorginho! And Lavi... Aand when that day comes we'll win the Superbowl Union League of Champions!

 

Arsenal would never sell Jorginho back to us Gol. He is far too important to them.

We might still be able to nab Rice though. He hasn't really had an affect there yet.

3 minutes ago, just said:

Arsenal would never sell Jorginho back to us Gol. He is far too important to them.

We might still be able to nab Rice though. He hasn't really had an affect there yet.

Wow, in case you can't ever notice, I was just joking, again... You know what asshole, goodbye.

15 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Wow, in case you can't ever notice, I was just joking, again... You know what asshole, goodbye.

Duh!

13 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

He also gave the ball away as many times in 30 minutes as Caicedo did in the whole game. 

But you probably don't think that is important.

Weird thing to lie about. Caicedo lost possession almost twice as much.

13 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

He also came on and completed 81% of his passes compared to Caicedos 94.5.

He made 0 successful tackles compared to Caicedo's 2.

He didn't win an ariel duel compared to Caicedo's 1.

He won 2 ground duels compared to Caicedos 9.

 

Based on me cherry picking stats like you have, looks like Caicedo was more than able to contribute the same if not more than a £58 million pound signing did.

It's almost like different players are expected to do different things, even when playing the same position.

Lavia made one tackle in 30 mins. Caicedo made two 90. Same amount of interceptions in 1/3 of the minutes. 

He's no Kante!

Remember the hassle of trying to get the deal through, what a waste of time and money!

 

29 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Weird thing to lie about. Caicedo lost possession almost twice as much.

Ok well according to Whoscored, Lavia completed 22 out of 27 passes (i.e. 5 incomplete) for his 81.5% pass accuracy, and Caicedo was 81 out of 86 (also 5 incomplete) for his 94.2%

So why is this weird and where is the lie ? 

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1729517/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2023-2024-Chelsea-Crystal-Palace 

 

or from FBRef if you prefer ... exactly the same numbers but saving you the trouble of any maths

22/27 and 81/86. 

You can stop digging now mate 🙂 

 

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1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Lavia made one tackle in 30 mins. Caicedo made two 90. Same amount of interceptions in 1/3 of the minutes. 

Nothing on the other stats though, right? 

As I said, easy to cherry pick to fit an agenda. The reality is that both had decent performances for different reasons.

A fit Lavia will be key to Caicedo getting better although I think he’s done fine so far. Lavia is the best suited to the DM role with Caicedo being more able to dominate like he did against us at the Bridge last season 

On 28/12/2023 at 23:57, Sexyfootball said:

Ok well according to Whoscored, Lavia completed 22 out of 27 passes (i.e. 5 incomplete) for his 81.5% pass accuracy, and Caicedo was 81 out of 86 (also 5 incomplete) for his 94.2%

So why is this weird and where is the lie ? 

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1729517/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2023-2024-Chelsea-Crystal-Palace 

 

or from FBRef if you prefer ... exactly the same numbers but saving you the trouble of any maths

22/27 and 81/86. 

You can stop digging now mate 🙂 

 

You’re counting misplaced passes. You don’t need to do maths, you can look at the dispossessed stats. 

Ok different stat. Fair enough.

But losing possession 9 times in 90 minutes is still better retention by Caicedo than Lavia's 5 in 33 ... unless you are using my wife's idea of "logic" LOL

On 29/12/2023 at 00:45, Niall1905 said:

Nothing on the other stats though, right? 

As I said, easy to cherry pick to fit an agenda. The reality is that both had decent performances for different reasons.

They both had bang average performances. One was half the price and hasn’t had 4 months to climatise to the squad though. 

54 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Ok different stat. Fair enough.

But losing possession 9 times in 90 minutes is still better retention by Caicedo than Lavia's 5 in 33 ... unless you are using my wife's idea of "logic" LOL

Didn’t concede when Lavia came on 😉

Not at his best today but made some good tackles and interceptions to stop counters. I will also give him credit in being one of the few players who didn't completely mentally break down when the team had its back against the wall.

Good pass to set us on our way for our 2nd goal, but other than that, I thought he was atrocious again. Dominated in midfield once again and then did his disappearing act when things got tough.

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Good pass to set us on our way for our 2nd goal, but other than that, I thought he was atrocious again. Dominated in midfield once again and then did his disappearing act when things got tough.

Just replied in Match Chat but I disagreed with this. He won tackles and made interceptions, it's just we lost it again cause everyone was panicking. 

Its astounding how slow he is and how weak in tackles, he also can't seem to read the game. Its  unbelievable he is this poor is it down to bad management is he carrying an injury or is he just a very average player and we've been duped by Brighton again

People seem hell bent on ignoring all the good things he does and picking up on the handful of errors.

I'm far more worried about Enzo than I am about Caicedo.

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

People seem hell bent on ignoring all the good things he does and picking up on the handful of errors.

I'm far more worried about Enzo than I am about Caicedo.

I swear it’s fans trying to be ‘edgy’ when they criticize Caicedo and Enzo as average.