Without being too critical of the current management in place, put it this way....  

I'll be more surprised than not if 3 years down the line Chelsea is in a two way race (or any kind of title race even) for the title with any other current member of the big 6.

Somehow I've made my peace that we will be a mediocre club that just about threads water. 

Pep, Klopp, Conte, Ten Hag. Those guys should have their clubs jostling for the top 4. Throw in other names like Emery, Moyes, Arteta, and the landscape for glory seems quite bleak with battles for the Europa being a more likely outcome. 

4 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Without being too critical of the current management in place, put it this way....  

I'll be more surprised than not if 3 years down the line Chelsea is in a two way race (or any kind of title race even) for the title with any other current member of the big 6.

Somehow I've made my peace that we will be a mediocre club that just about threads water. 

Pep, Klopp, Conte, Ten Hag. Those guys should have their clubs jostling for the top 4. Throw in other names like Emery, Moyes, Arteta, and the landscape for glory seems quite bleak with battles for the Europa being a more likely outcome. 

17 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I wouldn't say for a while. 12 months ago Arsenal fans would never imagined the position they are in now. 

Well its funny that last year I wrote on a thread here that I didn't see why people were ridiculing Arteta for his behind the scenes talks in All or Nothing. 

Newspaper and Social media pundits like Glendennig were ridiculing some of his talks and I said it was exactly the approach he should be taking. 

There's nothing more powerful than the mindset. He was constantly focusing on a renewing of their mentality and getting it in their head first and foremost that they could do it. Combined with a few things he obviously picked up from Pep its no surprise they are where they are. 

I don't think they'll win the title though but buying players like Jesus abd Zinchenko was to add that winning mentality to the team and they won't be collapsing like they did towards the end of last season. 

Just wait until our new manager " bounce" kicks in  , then we'll see how good we can be.........😁😁

 

 

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Just wait until our new manager " bounce" kicks in  , then we'll see how good we can be.........😁😁

 

 

Would that be a bounce in to the Championship? Or a more optimistic Europa conference league spot?

Only time will tell...

 

Edu is the main reason of Arsenal's current "success". 

5 hours ago, coco said:

And Brighton.

 

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

And Newcastle 

I’m surprised none of these were Southampton. Standards are slipping. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Edu is the main reason of Arsenal's current "success". 

As Todd is for our current "success" lol

9 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

As Todd is for our current "success" lol

Precisely. 

We need a director of football that shares the same vision as the manager. 

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

 

I’m surprised none of these were Southampton. Standards are slipping. 

And rob you of that pleasure? Nah I think not.

Tuchel had a proven track record competing at champions league winning level. So obviously it is a downgrade on paper. 

Time will tell whether the gamble pays off, it seems Tuchel left because of clash with new owners about the direction and the change in job description he was dealt, rather than the results, which had been up and down since the takeover talk. 

I'm not enjoying Chelsea at all at the moment, doesn't seem anything like the club I fell in love with.

Potter needs time though, as Tuchel did. Injuries have been harsh, and the defensive issues, lack of midfield quality, and underperforming attackers, are still major issues for Potter as they were for Tuchel. 

Not expecting a top 4 finish this season, but 2 good transfer windows, and some work on the training ground, and I think we can turn around under Potter for next season, and I also think we wouldve turned it around under Tuchel too.

7 minutes ago, big blue said:

Tuchel had a proven track record competing at champions league winning level. So obviously it is a downgrade on paper. 

Time will tell whether the gamble pays off, it seems Tuchel left because of clash with new owners about the direction and the change in job description he was dealt, rather than the results, which had been up and down since the takeover talk. 

I'm not enjoying Chelsea at all at the moment, doesn't seem anything like the club I fell in love with.

Potter needs time though, as Tuchel did. Injuries have been harsh, and the defensive issues, lack of midfield quality, and underperforming attackers, are still major issues for Potter as they were for Tuchel. 

Not expecting a top 4 finish this season, but 2 good transfer windows, and some work on the training ground, and I think we can turn around under Potter for next season, and I also think we wouldve turned it around under Tuchel too.

Think its been close to a year I haven't enjoyed our football. Seems like the Juve game was the last game we completely dominated in every aspect. 

I am in the pro Potter camp but I answered with 'no', because objectively at this point in time there seems to be no progression in our performances which would indicate that Tuchel was 'the problem' or that Potter is better suited to manage this group of players.

 

11 minutes ago, Blue2 said:

I am in the pro Potter camp but I answered with 'no', because objectively at this point in time there seems to be no progression in our performances which would indicate that Tuchel was not 'the problem' or that Potter is better suited to manage this group of players.

 

Your post doesn't make sense. Did you leave the word 'not' out ?

14 minutes ago, coco said:

Your post doesn't make sense. Did you leave the word 'not' out ?

Was my sentence grammatically wrong?

I meant it like this 'Based on the lack of progression in our performances(under Potter), I see no indication that Tuchel was the problem for the bad performances (under himself) and no indication that Potter is better suited to managing this group of players than Tuchel was either.'

Sorry I made a mistake, goodnight.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think its been close to a year I haven't enjoyed our football. Seems like the Juve game was the last game we completely dominated in every aspect. 

yeah not much to shout about, although I thought we were excellent in madrid, and both cup finals too. I just felt with Tuchel, at least we could beat anyone on our day. I'm not convinced by Potter yet. He needs a big win or 2 to win me over. We did well against an injury ravaged milan side, but 2 home games against United and Arsenal and it's not been pretty.

He was never going to be the type of manager that would have a massive impact immediately though, so I'll give it time, and hope we get it right in the transfer market for once.

16 minutes ago, Blue2 said:

Was my sentence grammatically wrong?

I meant it like this 'Based on the lack of progression in our performances(under Potter), I see no indication that Tuchel was the problem for the bad performances (under himself) and no indication that Potter is better suited to managing this group of players than Tuchel was either.'

Sorry I made a mistake, goodnight.

I get you now.

I come back to the same issue every time. These are elite players that play to an elite level...until they join us. We overhype the talent from our youth set up and blame the manager, tactics, formation for the groundhog performances that we have seen for what appears seasons now. 

Yes the purchasing strategy is all wrong and we have owners currently totally unsuited to the market they are trading in and therefore being mugged off.

But it all has to have a solid foundation and that basis is pretty simple. Its all about running, fitness and effort. The formations, tactics, patterns of play and individual talent surely sits on top of that basic principle.

I don't see that effort, tempo, desire and will to run and run and run. To sprint to shut down the oposition, to swarm over them with a pack mentality in order to regain posession and then to burst upon the opposition. We look lazy, slow and frankly spineless in numerous areas.

Is Ziyech a better player than McTominay. Hell yes. What do we really think the outcome would be though. Mctominay would own Ziyech. Easily. And i think McTominay is cr@p. Just one example.  There are numerous others.

So therefore i think Potter can get it right. I think Tuchel could have got it right. Providing the players get fitter and work harder, or at least as hard as our rivals. If the players are not prepared to do that then they need to go and if it means being replaced by Johnny Nobodies that can put in the hard yards and work for the team ethic then so be it.

We have to be patient and get it right. We can't keep making covetous glances at Arteta, Howe etc. Potter was highly regarded and a creative coach. Whether that was hype is questionable but it was widely accepted by the very pundits and media that are now questioning him. We have no option but to hang in there and wait for him to get it right. It could mean two years of no european football at all. We could easily struggle to make the Europa this year, unless there is a major change.

The first image is Tuchels worst run over 6 league games, from Apr 2nd to 1st May....

The second image is Tuchels 6 league games at the start of the season up to his sacking....

The third image is our last 4 games, and next 2 games.???

 

Hi All, 

I'm new here. Been a fan since 96-97, just never ever bothered posting.

I never thought I'd say this, but BRING BACK JOSE?

Hear me out. I think that Jose would thrive in the current structure, or the lack of a structure. He'd be given full control, which is what he craves. He wouldn't need to fight with anyone in the hierarchy, because it would just be him and Boehly....unless he starts a fight with Boehly. Third time could be the charm!

Obviously, this will never happen. Potter has a 5 year contract?  Potter seems out of his depth. Granted, there have been plenty of injuries, but some of his tactics have been quite questionable. There seems to be a huge hole in midfield. I'm sorry to say this, but Ruben isn't good enough. I really want him to succeed, but he isn't up to the mark to start for Chelsea.

Once again, Jorginho's primary strengths aren't being utilized. He is arguably one of the best deep lying playmaker's in the world, and yet he's been relegated to a holding role that he isn't suited to. With the pace we have upfront, we should be playing a tight backline, sitting deeper and playing on the break. If Jorginho is given the opportunity, he can spray the ball around, find the ball over the top. The pace is there, we just aren't using it. In Auba we have a target man who can hold the ball up and bring the likes of Sterling, Havertz, Pulisic into play.

We should play a 4-3-3:

Azpi-Silva-Koulibaly-Cucurella

                  Jorginho

       Kovacic-Mount/Zakaria

           Pulisic- Auba-Pulisic

 

 

 

 

I wanted either Jose or Zidane when Tuchel got the boot, but seems the days of big name managers at the club has ran its course with new ownership.

If GP isn't given long, expect the likes of Gerrard taking over.

10 hours ago, abister1 said:

Without being too critical of the current management in place, put it this way....  

I'll be more surprised than not if 3 years down the line Chelsea is in a two way race (or any kind of title race even) for the title with any other current member of the big 6.

Somehow I've made my peace that we will be a mediocre club that just about threads water. 

Pep, Klopp, Conte, Ten Hag. Those guys should have their clubs jostling for the top 4. Throw in other names like Emery, Moyes, Arteta, and the landscape for glory seems quite bleak with battles for the Europa being a more likely outcome. 

Out of interest what has Ten Hag done so far that shows he's a sure thing in this league?

I mean maybe he turns out that way but so far he's got a worse record than Frank De Boer in Holland, been 4-0 down at half time twice and could very well be going into the world cup with a negative goal difference, any manager of ours would get hell on earth thrown at them in the same situation.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

Out of interest what has Ten Hag done so far that shows he's a sure thing in this league?

I mean maybe he turns out that way but so far he's got a worse record than Frank De Boer in Holland, been 4-0 down at half time twice and could very well be going into the world cup with a negative goal difference, any manager of ours would get hell on earth thrown at them in the same situation.

I don't regard him as a sure thing. In football nothing is, but on the balance of probability, I'll pick someone that worked closely with Pep in Germany and won a bayern B team the league in their competition followed up by successive wins in the Dutch league and Cup  to be more likely to do better than GP. 

Put it this way, do you think Brighton would hve beaten Ajax if they had met in a 2 legged European competition? 

Even Klopp is having a mare of a season and a bit of a double Deja Vu moment. Things fell apart after 7 years at Mainz, after 7 years at Dortmund, this is his 7th at Liverpool. 

But will I pick GP ahead of him because of the swash buckling football his Ostersund, Swansea nd Brighton tems have been known for? 

I mean you could ask this question about all of our ex coaches. How many deserved to be fired and how many firings were due to the previous board's trigger finger?

In an ideal world Ancelotti wouldn't have been sacked after winning the double. Mourinho wouldn't have been sacked.

Conte should have been given better players after winning the league the season before. It goes on and on. But we are where we are.