12 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

Tammy was always an odd striker given his physique and yet he did not use his physique to it's strength.

I also think the refs were harsh on him here in the EPL letting teams wrestle him off the ball without winning frre-kicks.

I was looking to see how he would progress in Serie A - stats this season - 31 Apps, goals 7, assists 3, yellow cards 2.

In no way obvious that we were wrong to sell him.

 

Selling him , maybe the right decision.

Replacing him with Lukaku definitely wrong !

 

I always referred to him as Bambi on ice, far too easy to knock off the ball.

Re Tammy... Knew where the goal was. Our goals have dried up since he left... That's telling in my humble opinion. Was hoping Broja would be the fox in the box we need... Sadly picked up injuries. It is telling that a striker like Callum Wilson can get 13 goals this season and Newcastle are where they are as a result. Olly Watikins at Villa is another fantastic little striker. That Dominic solanke is also doing we'll this season and his form has led to Bournmouth potentially having a stay of execution this season. 

My take would be to get Dominic Calven Lewin from Everton when they go down, we simply need a player who will stay within the 18 yard box and lead a line, Patrick Bamford would be another old boy I'd look at as when fit, can create, lead the line and bang in goals. Any of these player would improve our front line as it would give it a focal point. I think we struggle to lead a line with Kai and others. The False 9 doesn't work as the game has moved on. Tony at Brentford would be my first pick for strikers, just no idea about where he's at with the gambling charges he's admitted to. 

Would I be adverse about having Lukaku back with us? I think a full Pre-season with a new manager and he could certainly do a job, shame his attitude is all over the place. But we've missed a flat track bully against mid table lower league sides... He really does score against them. 

We need a couple of strikers and a keeper. Clear out the dead disgruntled wood from the dressing room and I reckon we'll be back among it next season. 

We have spent a lot on defenders, Mitchell and Ghuieh at Palace are cracking premier league players and we left Tomori go to AC Milan... Interesting to see the role Billy Gilmore played yesterday in the 6 nil win against Wolves. You telling me Jorginho was better than this kid? If we had kept this lot... lol... Anyhow. Headlines this morning saying the bag of Potch has been waiting on Levy to call him... 

 

17 hours ago, strider6004 said:

Tammy was always an odd striker given his physique and yet he did not use his physique to it's strength.

I also think the refs were harsh on him here in the EPL letting teams wrestle him off the ball without winning frre-kicks.

I was looking to see how he would progress in Serie A - stats this season - 31 Apps, goals 7, assists 3, yellow cards 2.

In no way obvious that we were wrong to sell him.

 

As opposed to last season's 36 starts for 17 goals. Benched by JM a lot this season because Roma's tactics this season don't play to Tammy's strengths and, more importantly, Dybala offers so much more. Tammy's on £5m a year, there's talk here in Italy that Roma will move him on. 

8 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Re Tammy... Knew where the goal was. Our goals have dried up since he left... That's telling in my humble opinion. Was hoping Broja would be the fox in the box we need... Sadly picked up injuries. It is telling that a striker like Callum Wilson can get 13 goals this season and Newcastle are where they are as a result. Olly Watikins at Villa is another fantastic little striker. That Dominic solanke is also doing we'll this season and his form has led to Bournmouth potentially having a stay of execution this season. 

My take would be to get Dominic Calven Lewin from Everton when they go down, we simply need a player who will stay within the 18 yard box and lead a line, Patrick Bamford would be another old boy I'd look at as when fit, can create, lead the line and bang in goals. Any of these player would improve our front line as it would give it a focal point. I think we struggle to lead a line with Kai and others. The False 9 doesn't work as the game has moved on. Tony at Brentford would be my first pick for strikers, just no idea about where he's at with the gambling charges he's admitted to. 

Would I be adverse about having Lukaku back with us? I think a full Pre-season with a new manager and he could certainly do a job, shame his attitude is all over the place. But we've missed a flat track bully against mid table lower league sides... He really does score against them. 

We need a couple of strikers and a keeper. Clear out the dead disgruntled wood from the dressing room and I reckon we'll be back among it next season. 

We have spent a lot on defenders, Mitchell and Ghuieh at Palace are cracking premier league players and we left Tomori go to AC Milan... Interesting to see the role Billy Gilmore played yesterday in the 6 nil win against Wolves. You telling me Jorginho was better than this kid? If we had kept this lot... lol... Anyhow. Headlines this morning saying the bag of Potch has been waiting on Levy to call him... 

 

As much as I would've liked to have Tammy here this season, he's still not Chelsea material.

He's not a player we need up top. We can do better. 

10 hours ago, Victor90 said:

As much as I would've liked to have Tammy here this season, he's still not Chelsea material.

He's not a player we need up top. We can do better. 

Who? 

If Tammy is not Chelsea level st. Then what is the level of our st? 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Who? 

If Tammy is not Chelsea level st. Then what is the level of our st? 

You're telling me if we've got targets like Kane, Toney, Osimhen, Vlahovic, etc. you would be happy with us bringing back Abraham?

He doesn't look like he's improved, still has the same flaws when he was here. He was sold for a reason, sadly, we downgraded with a raging bell end like Lukaku. 

13 hours ago, Victor90 said:

As much as I would've liked to have Tammy here this season, he's still not Chelsea material.

He's not a player we need up top. We can do better. 

honestly, do you see Kane or Osimhen coming to us? Kane, never going to happen, Toney is about to be banned for breaching rules on betting, You criticise Tammy but Vlahovic has scored one more goal than Tammy in Serie A this season. We have two generational talents at the club, Felix and Havertz and we sold Tammy... I know exactly who I'd want starting up top for us and its not the the Portuguese or German. 

2 hours ago, Victor90 said:

You're telling me if we've got targets like Kane, Toney, Osimhen, Vlahovic, etc. you would be happy with us bringing back Abraham?

He doesn't look like he's improved, still has the same flaws when he was here. He was sold for a reason, sadly, we downgraded with a raging bell end like Lukaku. 

Kane = impossible 

Oshimen = 200m

Vlahovic 🤣🤣

Toney = as @olderschoolcfc said, he is going to get banned

 

 

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Who? 

If Tammy is not Chelsea level st. Then what is the level of our st? 

He's the level ofva mid table premier league team, so technically he is our current level. But if we are hoping this season is a blip then he is not good enough for a top four side in the PL.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

He's the level ofva mid table premier league team, so technically he is our current level. But if we are hoping this season is a blip then he is not good enough for a top four side in the PL.

If Tammy is a mid-level st then what we have right now is championship level st. 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

If Tammy is a mid-level st then what we have right now is championship level st. 

Yep. It's the way we are playing.

But that's beside the point. If Abraham comes into the frame then there are a whole group of average strikers to compare.

You discounted Kane, osimhem, Vlahovic, Toney, correctly I think.

But Abraham isn't in this group. Watkins, Calvet Lewin, Mitrovic, Ings, Brennan Johnson, etc are all similar or possibly better quality in some cases.

Personally I would probably make a play for Watkins, but I have always liked him. I wanted us to sign him when he was at Brentford.

17 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Yep. It's the way we are playing.

But that's beside the point. If Abraham comes into the frame then there are a whole group of average strikers to compare.

You discounted Kane, osimhem, Vlahovic, Toney, correctly I think.

But Abraham isn't in this group. Watkins, Calvet Lewin, Mitrovic, Ings, Brennan Johnson, etc are all similar or possibly better quality in some cases.

Personally I would probably make a play for Watkins, but I have always liked him. I wanted us to sign him when he was at Brentford.

Tammy game is quite rounded. His back to goal is not great but his movement and link up is fine. 

Watkins is a good st but his best skill-set by far is his run behind. With st who run behind you need to play very direct, I don't think we can play very direct. 

 

27 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Yep. It's the way we are playing.

But that's beside the point. If Abraham comes into the frame then there are a whole group of average strikers to compare.

You discounted Kane, osimhem, Vlahovic, Toney, correctly I think.

But Abraham isn't in this group. Watkins, Calvet Lewin, Mitrovic, Ings, Brennan Johnson, etc are all similar or possibly better quality in some cases.

Personally I would probably make a play for Watkins, but I have always liked him. I wanted us to sign him when he was at Brentford.

I think who should we sign as st will depend on the manager and is he a flexible manager? Or is he more of I want to play this way, if so then what way? 

If we get a tuchel then there is no reason to sign another st. 

Whoever we have as st they need to have the ball passed to them ,something we don't do very often ,we sh*t ourselves anywhere near the box.

On 05/04/2023 at 21:53, Scott said:

He won't be worst than Potter.

This aged well! 😄

On 29/04/2023 at 20:02, WhiteWall said:

On the contrary, I think his experience here, tacked on to the disastrous end to his Everton reign could be the death knell for his whole management career. 1 win in his last 19 games or something and it looking pretty bleak for his remaining games.

If this doesn't finish him off, perhaps he could dip into the championship,  get off the radar and try to build a management CV. For the next management job going with owners looking for an enterprising young manager and Frank, Vincent Kompany and Michael Carrick are in the running, what realistically would be Frank's chances.

He'll always be a legend here as a player but like a number of other Chelsea legends, they are just bot cut out for management here.

All fair points. I say that while also saying he wouldn't have been my first choice this time or last time. 

But I respect his efforts regardless.

14 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

All fair points. I say that while also saying he wouldn't have been my first choice this time or last time. 

But I respect his efforts regardless.

Agreed. I think most of us could foresee the way this has played. I felt the first stint was too early and he pretty much admitted the same. Ironically he took it as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Little did we know where we would be now

We need to stop this nonsense about Tammy Abraham. He is simply not good enough. Irrespective of our current lot, he is not the answer.

 

4 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

We need to stop this nonsense about Tammy Abraham. He is simply not good enough. Irrespective of our current lot, he is not the answer.

 

Just silly isn't it. 

19 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

We need to stop this nonsense about Tammy Abraham. He is simply not good enough. Irrespective of our current lot, he is not the answer.

 

I wouldn't have minded keeping him initially as an option to mix up but yeah bringing him back with the price he'd command f**k that 

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

I wouldn't have minded keeping him initially as an option to mix up but yeah bringing him back with the price he'd command f**k that 

If Broja recovers well and stays clear of injuries we have our answer for main striker.

Though clearly an alternative would be a good idea given we cannot be sure of either of those points.

28 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

We need to stop this nonsense about Tammy Abraham. He is simply not good enough. Irrespective of our current lot, he is not the answer.

 

There seems to be this preoccupation with players from our academy where we seem to overestimate their ability and yet denigrate players of similar or better ability from elsewhere. I like Abraham, but i still feel that he has the same traits and failings that he has always had. I am sure that he will have purple periods of goalscoring but similarly could go up to a season without scoring. After all even Danny Welbeck scores sometimes.

I am sure that we will convince ourselves that Broja is our Kane in the making, yet we have no idea what he will be like once he is over his injury, or indeed what he may turn out like anyway. He had very little time to develop with us before his injury anyway.

If we are unable to complete a deal that brings in a top quality striker that we can rely upon, we may have little option on hanging our hat on our legendary (in his own mind) Belgian striker.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

I wouldn't have minded keeping him initially as an option to mix up but yeah bringing him back with the price he'd command f**k that 

 

25 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Just silly isn't it. 

Tammy has outscored all our "strikers" since leaving the club. Cost less than what we paid for the generational talents. 

In two years in Serie A, he's scored 26 goals. putting that into perspective, we've scored 30 this season in total. I think its silly to say he's not up to the job to be fair. 

Top scorer last season in the league was Mason Mount, a midfielder with 11. 

Tbh, I think we need to move Sterling on in the summer. Absolute failure from him this season. Head isn't in football anymore. 

https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/goals/team/8455

 

7 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

If we are unable to complete a deal that brings in a top quality striker that we can rely upon, we may have little option on hanging our hat on our legendary (in his own mind) Belgian striker.

Even another season of Havertz is a better option than bringing Lukaku back into the fold.