Just now, WhiteWall said:

Yes, i think he is. (1,440+4,557)/13,910 = 43.11%

 

Surely, when you look at the "Total" (which doesn't quite add up from the constituent thirds but is close) it looks like the 1440 is already included in the 4557 though ? Which is logical of course ... 🙂 So more like 32% ?

 

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Surely, when you look at the "Total" (which doesn't quite add up from the constituent thirds but is close) it looks like the 1440 is already included in the 4557 though ? Which is logical of course ... 🙂 So more like 32% ?

 

Ah yes, i see it now. Less haste more speed   Good spot.

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I think Pochettino has taken total football too far by playing cbs as full backs, full backs as wingers, wingers as strikers and CMs/DMs as AMs. Maybe he needs to go back to basics and play players in their actual positions to see fluid football

He's good enough for not changing the formation, that I respect because if he were to change back to a back 3 it's basically taking a lot of steps back. What he wants he probably can't get right now, too many key players missing.

I always knew that KDB will be hard to replace and while Man City is doing fine, not having him clearly impacted their season so far so despite them having a real system from years back, missing 1 player like that did affect them. We are missing too many players, the media won't talk about it but they will feel sorry for Newcastle and so on but it doesn't change our situation, it's far too difficult to implement something when so many important players that should be playing every week aren't available.

So Poch does have that excuse, otherwise we would have to conclude that Sarri was the one that really trained the team to play and that nobody after him was as good to imprint a style - we all know that this isn't the truth and if it were it would speak badly about everyone but Sarri but it's evident that Tuchel was a better manager.
Lampard instructed the team to play more direct and everyone played that way for good or bad, Tuchel instructed the team to press and keep possession and that's exactly how the team played.

I believe that listening to Enzo's dad was a huge mistake and that because of it we don't have a system that otherwise we would have had by now and Caicedo would have fitted into that system like a glove. But as it turns out we signed 2 players for over 200m and they need Gallagher to bail them out. This I don't understand and I believe that it can cost Poch his job because this team is supposed to be built on those two players.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He's good enough for not changing the formation, that I respect because if he were to change back to a back 3 it's basically taking a lot of steps back. What he wants he probably can't get right now, too many key players missing.

I always knew that KDB will be hard to replace and while Man City is doing fine, not having him clearly impacted their season so far so despite them having a real system from years back, missing 1 player like that did affect them. We are missing too many players, the media won't talk about it but they will feel sorry for Newcastle and so on but it doesn't change our situation, it's far too difficult to implement something when so many important players that should be playing every week aren't available.

So Poch does have that excuse, otherwise we would have to conclude that Sarri was the one that really trained the team to play and that nobody after him was as good to imprint a style - we all know that this isn't the truth and if it were it would speak badly about everyone but Sarri but it's evident that Tuchel was a better manager.
Lampard instructed the team to play more direct and everyone played that way for good or bad, Tuchel instructed the team to press and keep possession and that's exactly how the team played.

I believe that listening to Enzo's dad was a huge mistake and that because of it we don't have a system that otherwise we would have had by now and Caicedo would have fitted into that system like a glove. But as it turns out we signed 2 players for over 200m and they need Gallagher to bail them out. This I don't understand and I believe that it can cost Poch his job because this team is supposed to be built on those two players.

I think this is a really good post. I would also attribute the influence of the loss of Rodri to Man City's "issues" this season, but i like a lot of what is posted here and is a fair counterbalance to my rantings of the lack of structure, pattern and system from Poch.

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He's good enough for not changing the formation, that I respect because if he were to change back to a back 3 it's basically taking a lot of steps back. What he wants he probably can't get right now, too many key players missing.

I always knew that KDB will be hard to replace and while Man City is doing fine, not having him clearly impacted their season so far so despite them having a real system from years back, missing 1 player like that did affect them. We are missing too many players, the media won't talk about it but they will feel sorry for Newcastle and so on but it doesn't change our situation, it's far too difficult to implement something when so many important players that should be playing every week aren't available.

So Poch does have that excuse, otherwise we would have to conclude that Sarri was the one that really trained the team to play and that nobody after him was as good to imprint a style - we all know that this isn't the truth and if it were it would speak badly about everyone but Sarri but it's evident that Tuchel was a better manager.
Lampard instructed the team to play more direct and everyone played that way for good or bad, Tuchel instructed the team to press and keep possession and that's exactly how the team played.

I believe that listening to Enzo's dad was a huge mistake and that because of it we don't have a system that otherwise we would have had by now and Caicedo would have fitted into that system like a glove. But as it turns out we signed 2 players for over 200m and they need Gallagher to bail them out. This I don't understand and I believe that it can cost Poch his job because this team is supposed to be built on those two players.

Good post, but I doubt Enzo's dad was a factor in anything Poch has done. 

More likely that he had to pick someone to play #10 in the absence of Nkunku and Chukwuemeka, and settled on Enzo as the best option he had left, presumably after much work looking at multiple options on the training ground ...

I think most of poch reasoning is pretty obvious. 

Why Colwill as lb not maatsen? Surely after last game, you now have the same opinion as poch. Maatsen is simply too weak to play as defender. 

Why move Gusto as lb? It is because badi can't play as lb. Why keep Badi then? Probably height. Badi had a very bad game vs palace but aerially he is still by far our best player. 

Why Enzo as 10? 😁😁😁, just watch what happen to mudryk when Poch move Nkunku to the right

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by Bob stark

12 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Why Colwill as lb not maatsen? Surely after last game, you now have the same opinion as poch. Maatsen is simply too weak to play as defender.

And yet Maatsen got into team of the year, playing left back, in the arguably more physical Championship? 🤔

5 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

And yet Maatsen got into team of the year, playing left back, in the arguably more physical Championship? 🤔

I have never watched Maatsen or Burnley play in the Championship  I can't say anything but purely based on how he played for us so far, no way he can play as lb. 

https://www.talkchelsea.net/opinions/pochettino-must-unleash-palmer-madueke-mudryk-and-nkunku/

I agree with this 

34 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

https://www.talkchelsea.net/opinions/pochettino-must-unleash-palmer-madueke-mudryk-and-nkunku/

I agree with this 

Si Phillips doesn’t like Sterling. Jackson, nkunku, mudryck actually combined very well. We need one physical forward Jackson does that job. I guess he can’t play every game. Sterling despite his inconsistency contributes a lot including 6 goals. Some one  is going to miss out in the front line now. 

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by ozboy

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

https://www.talkchelsea.net/opinions/pochettino-must-unleash-palmer-madueke-mudryk-and-nkunku/

I agree with this 

Who will play st? 

3 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

And yet Maatsen got into team of the year, playing left back, in the arguably more physical Championship? 🤔

For the most dominant team (at that level) of all time and even then stood out for some poor defensive actions (I have a friend who supports Burnley and checked in regularly).

3 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

And yet Maatsen got into team of the year, playing left back, in the arguably more physical Championship? 🤔

Because he was LB in name only in a team that utterly dominated the competition. He spent more time forward than in defence. You can bet that Poch has assessed his defensive capabilities.

5 minutes ago, dermott said:

Because he was LB in name only in a team that utterly dominated the competition. He spent more time forward than in defence. You can bet that Poch has assessed his defensive capabilities.

Wouldn't have hurt anyone to give him at least one chance to show what he can do at LB in a proper game though. He didn't even get a proper chance against Blackburn or Wimbledon.

Not to mention that Poch has prefered Colwill as LB the entire season (even when Chilwell was available) and we've consistently failed so how much could Maatsen or using an actual leftback hurt?

 

 

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by OriginalS

50 minutes ago, Argo said:

For the most dominant team (at that level) of all time and even then stood out for some poor defensive actions (I have a friend who supports Burnley and checked in regularly).

^^^ THIS

If you check out the Burnley forum and do a search for "Maatsen", there are literally dozens of posts about him being poor defensively. He was apparently almost playing as a winger last season ... 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

^^^ THIS

If you check out the Burnley forum and do a search for "Maatsen", there are literally dozens of posts about him being poor defensively. He was apparently almost playing as a winger last season ... 

Not apparently or almost. I saw a lot of Burnley last season. He was effectively a forward and successful at Championship level. I'm yet to see that he can produce the same at PL level.

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Who will play st? 

Well the argument is that we'd be better served by Nkunku and Palmer centrally than a striker. 

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Well the argument is that we'd be better served by Nkunku and Palmer centrally than a striker. 

Even with false 9 concept somebody still need to play as st. It can be interchangeable, it can be the winger. Just look at pool front 3. Mane and Salah play more like st than winger. 

 

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Even with false 9 concept somebody still need to play as st. It can be interchangeable, it can be the winger. Just look at pool front 3. Mane and Salah play more like st than winger. 

 

They also had bobby firmino.. who was great at holding the ball up and playing in others..

2 hours ago, Jangz said:

They also had bobby firmino.. who was great at holding the ball up and playing in others..

My point is that even in false 9 system somebody still need to play as st

Mudryk - Nkunku - Palmer - Madueke 

Is fine, but what will probably happen is that Nkunku will play as the 9. You will get less of connecting stuff and more in the box stuff. This is also fine but who will feed Mudryk then. 

Edited December 30, 20232 yr by Bob stark

21 hours ago, OriginalS said:

 

Not to mention that Poch has prefered Colwill as LB the entire season (even when Chilwell was available) and we've consistently failed so how much could Maatsen or using an actual leftback hurt?

 

^^^^^^^^^^

this. My biggest complaint about Poch is that generally he has set the team up too defensively. Chilwell as winger was ridiculous. Enzo as 10 ridiculous. Maatsen as right wing presumably because he is more defensive than madueke didn’t seem like a good idea. Diasi as right full back ok if that’s what’s required because of injuries but other wise no way. Persisting with Silva anyway. Despite being so defensive our set piece defending is crap and because fullbacks aren’t fullbacks and Silva is too old we concede.  And for the first dozen games we didn’t have enough attackers so opposition just play a low block, suck us in and score on the break.  I’m taking a rest from this thread as what’s the point. 

2 keepers on the bench AGAIN  why ?

4 minutes ago, Andy2461 said:

2 keepers on the bench AGAIN  why ?

It is ridiculous.

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

My point is that even in false 9 system somebody still need to play as st

Mudryk - Nkunku - Palmer - Madueke 

Is fine, but what will probably happen is that Nkunku will play as the 9. You will get less of connecting stuff and more in the box stuff. 

😁😁😁

Clear as day Poch can’t sort out our defensive structure in set pieces/crosses in the box. We NEED a set piece coach or an improvement in what we have because this can’t continue. 
 

I swear it’s every match week now.