36 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Which part, the subs or the part where Mudryk could run with the ball and relieve some pressure?

Maybe for me the more unrealistic idea was what actually happened, in all honesty putting Chalobah on for the first time this season, at the Etihad in order to not concede a goal (which in turn surrenders any notion of even attempting to contest possession) looked like a bad FM move to me.

Have you seen Mudryk run?? He dribbles into confusion, mis-controls and lose the ball. I wouldn’t rely on him as at outlet it would be like having 10 players on.

We wound have had a far higher chance of losing that game with him on.

I still believe he will make it here but he needs to work far harder than he’s doing now.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Have you seen Mudryk run?? He dribbles into confusion, mis-controls and lose the ball. I wouldn’t rely on him as at outlet it would be like having 10 players on.

We wound have had a far higher chance of losing that game with him on.

I still believe he will make it here but he needs to work far harder than he’s doing now.

Enzo has the passing range. Let him aim long balls for Noni and Mudryk to chase. Sure they probably mess up any chances they make but you never know.

As it was Nkunku left us playing with 10 men soon as Jackson came off, clearly not fit enough to do the chasing the starting front 3 did and at least Mudryk and Noni can run.

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Enzo has the passing range. Let him aim long balls for Noni and Mudryk to chase. Sure they probably mess up any chances they make but you never know.

As it was Nkunku left us playing with 10 men soon as Jackson came off, clearly not fit enough to do the chasing the starting front 3 did and at least Mudryk and Noni can run.

Madueke was trying his best to make us lose vs Luton after we were 3-0 up

Mudryk invited triple team in our own half vs boro and tried to dribble through them. 

 

 

Good discussion on systems. For me the system has to be fitted to the squad but really the system is secondary to the culture and ability to lead. By leadership I mean getting the players to go all in for each other and for the project. And having a system that can get the best results possible from the talent available. 

One thing is certain after Wolves, whatever was said in that team meeting seems to be working and the players are definitely PLAYING for the manager.

One of things that we desperately need to work is our clinicalness. This season we’ve largely matched the bigger teams but we’ve failed to put them away and finish them off. We’ve created enough but without that killer instinct, we won’t win these tight games. That’s the next step for this team - develop consistency and find that killer instinct 

Superb performance really, and a good result. Most people on here expected us to get thumped but we really gave City a hard game and could've won.

But I also think some of the Poch criticism is fair, that was not a good substitution at all. We just invited more pressure and killed any chance of a counter attack. As soon as we took Palmer off for Chalobah City had nothing to fear, we played right into their game. Very silly decision and probably cost us the 3 points in the end. 

12 hours ago, El regreso said:

Have you seen Mudryk run?? He dribbles into confusion, mis-controls and lose the ball. I wouldn’t rely on him as at outlet it would be like having 10 players on.

We wound have had a far higher chance of losing that game with him on.

I still believe he will make it here but he needs to work far harder than he’s doing now.

 

10 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Enzo has the passing range. Let him aim long balls for Noni and Mudryk to chase. Sure they probably mess up any chances they make but you never know.

As it was Nkunku left us playing with 10 men soon as Jackson came off, clearly not fit enough to do the chasing the starting front 3 did and at least Mudryk and Noni can run.

 

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Madueke was trying his best to make us lose vs Luton after we were 3-0 up

Mudryk invited triple team in our own half vs boro and tried to dribble through them. 

 

 

With all that said, Chalobah managed to make 1 pass and 1 tackle in 20 minutes.

Talk about leaving the whole team to dry, tactically Poch surrendered the match with that sub, it's the kind of sub a manager makes after a red card isn't it?

I don't buy into this argument that Poch did great, to me he surrendered the match far too early.

Seem only a few fans here actually realise we were playing city.

When was the last time we played and won at City ground Tuchel?

We got spanked here several times, it seems that’s exactly what would happen but for Poch setup.

I think whatever Poch did he will get criticised that much is clear.

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

Seem only a few fans here actually realise we were playing city.

When was the last time we played and won at City ground Tuchel?

We got spanked here several times, it seems that’s exactly what would happen but for Poch setup.

I think whatever Poch did he will get criticised that much is clear.

We lost 1-0 there last season in a very similar game. Only difference between yesterday and last season was we took one of out chances and city missed there's.

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Seem only a few fans here actually realise we were playing city.

When was the last time we played and won at City ground Tuchel?

We got spanked here several times, it seems that’s exactly what would happen but for Poch setup.

I think whatever Poch did he will get criticised that much is clear.

Last season we played City 4 times, lost all 4 games, scored zero goals, and conceded 8. 

Huge improvement to get two draws (4-4, 1-1) in the two meetings in 23/24, and in addition for some to feel disappointed by the away draw not being a win !

 

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

One thing is certain after Wolves, whatever was said in that team meeting seems to be working and the players are definitely PLAYING for the manager.

Will be very interesting to see what difference it makes vs Liverpool, given that was just before Wolves for us.

Will Poch, and the team, adapt from that defeat?

He set us out perfectly to start with yesterday. Defend deep, press and counter.

Against Pool we played a high line and got tanked. Same tactics you play City with you need against Pool, need to be spot on defensively and need to take our chances better.

If we start with a high press high line against, we'll Salah will have fun.

Played 7 against the big six so far. 
 

Won 1

Drew 4

Lost 2 

I'm not sure that the thought process of making us tighter was a wrong move by Poch. We were visibly tiring and with de Bruyne moving out wider and wider to deliver the ball, you always felt it was a matter of time. Granted we were somewhat hamstrung due the players available on the bench due to age, inexperience and fitness, but I would have tried to restrict the delivery from De Bruyne on their right. I probably would have taken Chilwell off, got Colwill to shift over for the last 20 and put Chalobah in as CB. Kept a back four, but added a bit more height and got Colwill to get out and shut the ball down quicker.

 

Difficult to take Chilwell off when he was pocketing Foden and was defending brilliantly all game like it was Porto. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

 

 

With all that said, Chalobah managed to make 1 pass and 1 tackle in 20 minutes.

Talk about leaving the whole team to dry, tactically Poch surrendered the match with that sub, it's the kind of sub a manager makes after a red card isn't it?

I don't buy into this argument that Poch did great, to me he surrendered the match far too early.

What should poch have done? If you say Madueke or mudryk, then 🤣🤣🤣

If you say leave the tired attacker on the field then it is even more 🤣🤣

19 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I'm not sure that the thought process of making us tighter was a wrong move by Poch. We were visibly tiring and with de Bruyne moving out wider and wider to deliver the ball, you always felt it was a matter of time. Granted we were somewhat hamstrung due the players available on the bench due to age, inexperience and fitness, but I would have tried to restrict the delivery from De Bruyne on their right. I probably would have taken Chilwell off, got Colwill to shift over for the last 20 and put Chalobah in as CB. Kept a back four, but added a bit more height and got Colwill to get out and shut the ball down quicker.

 

Is this the same Colwill who is confused on how to handle crosses multiple time as lb? 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Difficult to take Chilwell off when he was pocketing Foden and was defending brilliantly all game like it was Porto. 

But he wasn't towards the end. They moved de Bruyne out because they could see it was a route in and we were tiring and getting overloaded out their

That said, there is no easy answer, because then Haaland, Rodri and Foden come through the middle. Lets be honest he brings on Bernardo Silva just to add more pressure, a guy that would walk into our team. 

I agree that Poch's subs didn't really work, but I am not sure what else he could have done. We would all have our preferences but I think we are discounting the diversity of their attack and the strength they have all over the pitch. 

I am more frustrated that our bench looked so young and ineffectual and that is largely down to the club policy,  even with the injuries 

It is fine to criticize poch but so far I haven't heard anybody come up with alternative plan that even make sense

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

One of things that we desperately need to work is our clinicalness. This season we’ve largely matched the bigger teams but we’ve failed to put them away and finish them off. We’ve created enough but without that killer instinct, we won’t win these tight games. That’s the next step for this team - develop consistency and find that killer instinct 

Do we buy a striker for this?

9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Is this the same Colwill who is confused on how to handle crosses multiple time as lb? 

Yep, the same one.  But he was dealing with crosses well all game and if a bloke can't defend 10 yards wider than his normal position he shouldn't be on the pitch. Any player should be able to do a job for 20 minutes in the position next to his. There were no crosses to that area at the end, de Bruyne doesn't head the ball. I'm talking about shutting down the delivery from their right and still adding aerial assistance when the ball is slung in from their left. Let's not forget we were trying to incorporate a low block for the last 20 mins 

14 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

It is fine to criticize poch but so far I haven't heard anybody come up with alternative plan that even make sense

 

Including you, as ever.

What Poch did was not really the cause of the problems, Nkunku was in effectual, this meant the out left on the pitch cocked up the plan. Had he been any use yesterday, we would have been able to break out. But nothing sent forward had any affect at all. Effectively we were playing with 10 men.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

What should poch have done? If you say Madueke or mudryk, then 🤣🤣🤣

If you say leave the tired attacker on the field then it is even more 🤣🤣

I find it pretty amazing that you believe that there was literally nothing else that Poch could or should have done. I'll leave it there.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I find it pretty amazing that you believe that there was literally nothing else that Poch could or should have done. I'll leave it there.

So what should poch have done then?