If only he can use his feet!

5 hours ago, Shweaves said:

I don't know what the solution is. Give Jorgensen a try? What happens if Jorgensen is just as bad? 

We'll get many pretending otherwise anyway out of desperation not to see Sanchez again, see Petrovic last season.

11 hours ago, Argo said:

We'll get many pretending otherwise anyway out of desperation not to see Sanchez again, see Petrovic last season.

I really doubt maresca would be playing the worse keeper when the other is sitting on the bench.

I honestly think sanchez is slightly better than Jorgensen atm, omg posting that hurts. Lol

He didn't come across assured or confident in the games I've seen him play in, well much less than sanchez, anyway.

3 hours ago, Simplymo said:

I really doubt maresca would be playing the worse keeper when the other is sitting on the bench.

I honestly think sanchez is slightly better than Jorgensen atm, omg posting that hurts. Lol

He didn't come across assured or confident in the games I've seen him play in, well much less than sanchez, anyway.

Not sure it's 100% correct. Changing up the keeper is a bit more complicated then an ourfield player, its not like you can bring them on at half time and they get a chance to win there place back. When you sit as a keeper you sit for a long time, it feels more like he's waiting for the oportunity to make the swtich. I imagine we will see Jorgenson tomorow and that moght give us a better idea if he's any good 

I’m gonna go just a little bit against the grain, and say that I think his shot stopping and sweeping is actually pretty good. Hilariously, his major weakness is playing with the ball at his feet - which we are led to believe the club thinks is his major strength and why we kept him around instead of Petrovic. Make it make sense, someone.

I get the sense the club believes (or hopes) very much that either Petrovic, Penders or Jørgensen will step up long term though, so what I think will happen is that Sanchez leaves after this season and we’ll not buy another GK in the foreseeable future. 

30 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I’m gonna go just a little bit against the grain, and say that I think his shot stopping and sweeping is actually pretty good. Hilariously, his major weakness is playing with the ball at his feet - which we are led to believe the club thinks is his major strength and why we kept him around instead of Petrovic. Make it make sense, someone.

I get the sense the club believes (or hopes) very much that either Petrovic, Penders or Jørgensen will step up long term though, so what I think will happen is that Sanchez leaves after this season and we’ll not buy another GK in the foreseeable future. 

That's a very sensible take for me, and I agree with you on all points.

Sanchez is currently 4th in the PL for his save percentage (78.7%) this season, so he's clearly not quite as useless as many people think !

18 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

That's a very sensible take for me, and I agree with you on all points.

Sanchez is currently 4th in the PL for his save percentage (78.7%) this season, so he's clearly not quite as useless as many people think !

I'm fairly sure no one has an issue with his ability to save the ball. 

People have problems with the fact he passes directly to the opposition striker 10 yards out multiple times a game or sh*ts his pants and forgets how to kick a ball. 

30 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'm fairly sure no one has an issue with his ability to save the ball. 

People have problems with the fact he passes directly to the opposition striker 10 yards out multiple times a game or sh*ts his pants and forgets how to kick a ball. 

He’s not good enough, no question there. I just find it funny that the reason he’s not good enough is because of what’s supposed to be his strengts (and extremely important to Maresca) while if you view him as an old fashioned goalkeeper he’d actually might be quite decent!

7 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

He’s not good enough, no question there. I just find it funny that the reason he’s not good enough is because of what’s supposed to be his strengts (and extremely important to Maresca) while if you view him as an old fashioned goalkeeper he’d actually might be quite decent!

Possible also that Sanchez is doing exactly what Maresca wants with the passing, and he might feel the improvement area is the other players not moving around enough to give him better passing options ?

2 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I’m gonna go just a little bit against the grain, and say that I think his shot stopping and sweeping is actually pretty good. Hilariously, his major weakness is playing with the ball at his feet - which we are led to believe the club thinks is his major strength and why we kept him around instead of Petrovic. Make it make sense, someone.

I get the sense the club believes (or hopes) very much that either Petrovic, Penders or Jørgensen will step up long term though, so what I think will happen is that Sanchez leaves after this season and we’ll not buy another GK in the foreseeable future. 

Because in a general sense he does often make good/line breaking passes (case in point our 2nd and 6th goals vs Wolves) but ofcourse makes more mistakes than anyone should.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Possible also that Sanchez is doing exactly what Maresca wants with the passing, and he might feel the improvement area is the other players not moving around enough to give him better passing options ?

He was making exactly the same mistakes last season under a different manager.

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by RMH

55 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Possible also that Sanchez is doing exactly what Maresca wants with the passing, and he might feel the improvement area is the other players not moving around enough to give him better passing options ?

Possibly. I think there's no doubt he's trying to do exactly what Maresca wants him to do, whether or not the issues we've had comes from his teammates or Sanchez is a little hard to tell. It would be interesting to see Jørgensen in a few games against better opposition which might provider a clearer picture 

3 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I’m gonna go just a little bit against the grain, and say that I think his shot stopping and sweeping is actually pretty good. Hilariously, his major weakness is playing with the ball at his feet - which we are led to believe the club thinks is his major strength and why we kept him around instead of Petrovic. Make it make sense, someone.

 

Watch MOTD2, ignore what micah is yapping about during the analysis but watch the image on screen. While they press our def and midfield the gk comes out and becomes the "free man" hence ball control with his feet is important.

Watch Jorgensen's previous games and he looks less confident when passing with his feet. He also gets rid of it too quick without inviting the press.

 

I do agree though and i think most agree too by their posts in this thread (i know i definitely posted it before too), leaving the passing with feet out, then sanchez is a decent keeper, unfortunately it's a vital piece of marescas plan.

6 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Possible also that Sanchez is doing exactly what Maresca wants with the passing, and he might feel the improvement area is the other players not moving around enough to give him better passing options ?

Nothing to do with the players . Sanchez is just dreadful at kicking the ball . Total liability same as when he played for Brighton 

3 hours ago, Aussie79 said:

Nothing to do with the players . Sanchez is just dreadful at kicking the ball . Total liability same as when he played for Brighton 

Yep, I want to say it's 50/50 if it reaches a blue shirt but I think its slightly higher in his favour.

Regardless of the actual probability...its when he passes it short and our defence ain't ready that worries me most.

43 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Yep, I want to say it's 50/50 if it reaches a blue shirt but I think its slightly higher in his favour.

Regardless of the actual probability...its when he passes it short and our defence ain't ready that worries me most.

I looked up his passing stats, and according to FBREF he's completed 71 out of 72 short passes in the PL this season (9 games), and 171 out of 178 medium range passes (I guess the 7 incomplete include the well commented dodgy ones to opposition players). So it's probably not as bad as it might look on face vale. Short defined as 5-15 yards and medium as 15-30 yards btw.

Obviously long passes (>30 yards) is way worse at 53 out of 131, as you'd expect 🙂 

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Obviously long passes (>30 yards) is way worse at 53 out of 131, as you'd expect 🙂 

Where is he in long passes compared to Ederson, Allison, Onana, Kelleher, Raya, Martinez, etc? Attempts and success. 

20 hours ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

He’s not good enough, no question there. I just find it funny that the reason he’s not good enough is because of what’s supposed to be his strengts (and extremely important to Maresca) while if you view him as an old fashioned goalkeeper he’d actually might be quite decent!

It is his strength if you compare him to Petrovic (won't comment on Jorgensen because I don't watch conf league). 

 

Jorgensen must be absolutely honking in training

11 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Where is he in long passes compared to Ederson, Allison, Onana, Kelleher, Raya, Martinez, etc? Attempts and success. 

That would be helpful to know how he compares to those keepers.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more touches and thus makes more short, medium and long passes than a few of them given how we play.

But regardless of stats, he does not fill anyone beyond Maresca with confidence and whilst I do not rate any of the defenders in front of him very highly, perhaps his performances affect their performances. But then I guess that works both ways.

So far, not so bad, but a new keeper and some new defenders must be a priority this summer if we’re to progress.

12 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Where is he in long passes compared to Ederson, Allison, Onana, Kelleher, Raya, Martinez, etc? Attempts and success. 

I can't filter on GK on FBREF, but a bit of cut and pasting I can give you this, albeit I can't then sort any of the columns to rank them, but you can see all the data.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/passing/Premier-League-Stats#all_stats_passing 

Edited October 30, 20241 yr by Sexyfootball

Just get this c**t out of the club.

Robert Sanchez, if you're reading this, you're a useless c**t - f**k off.

Anyone defending this sack of sh*t is now officially an idiot

Absolute fraud get him out

Cost us AGAIN massive points dropped he didnt even need to do that