Edited December 28, 20232 yr by erskblue

another horror show from our team. what a lucky 3 points

Going to go out on a limb here and, still saying that we have no real pattern or style, but with the exception of an out and out striker I am not displeased with the midfield and attacking personnel.

• Caicedo and Lavia look rusty and not at full fitness, but will work well together.
• Gallagher remain pivotal for energy and versatile, surprisingly for me.
• Enzo ditto about not being at full fitness and carrying an injury. I still think he is overrated but could be really good if the rest are good.
• Madueka and Palmer competing for that right hand side but also for the 10.
• Mudryk and Sterling competing for the left.
• Nkunku in the 10.

This to me has real potential if they can stay fit. Jackson and Broja aren't up to it and the back up for all of these positions is young and flimsy.

Granted 3 of the 4 intended defenders are injured, but they always will be. You cannot build a reliable defence with James, Fofana and Chilwell in it. So we head into another transfer window with defence needing to be rebuilt.

Gusto I think is coming on, but Disasi and Cucurella are not good enough. Badiashile I am not convinced by, just seem so rigid and lacks fluidity in his movement. Colwill I am still yet to be convinced of even at CB. Could possibly turn into something alongside a really good CB. That could have been Silva but he you can see is now nearing the end.

So here we are again, another window and we still need a CF, 2 x CB and a LB, which is laughable really. Also how can we shift these players to make space anyway.

10 hours ago, Remodez said:

I can only assume Connor was not fully aware that we were outnumbering them cause I believe most people would have made that pass in behind for a third goal.

Na he knew better go to the corner flag afterall our strikers are ...

I still think we need to give time to most of our lads. Look at how well Gallagher has improved over the period he's played. The difference between pre-season Conor and current Conor is massive. He starts to be very comfortable with the ball on top of everything else he does fine in the pitch. He is a good example for us and rest of the lads of what time and experience does. Mudryk is also starting to find his feet a bit more. When all the potential we have gradually starts to grow step by step the team starts to pick up points, score more goals, defend better. Hopefully we are a bit better second half of the season, pick up a few more points, score a few more goals. We need to be very patient. 

59 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Going to go out on a limb here and, still saying that we have no real pattern or style, but with the exception of an out and out striker I am not displeased with the midfield and attacking personnel.

• Caicedo and Lavia look rusty and not at full fitness, but will work well together.
• Gallagher remain pivotal for energy and versatile, surprisingly for me.
• Enzo ditto about not being at full fitness and carrying an injury. I still think he is overrated but could be really good if the rest are good.
• Madueka and Palmer competing for that right hand side but also for the 10.
• Mudryk and Sterling competing for the left.
• Nkunku in the 10.

This to me has real potential if they can stay fit. Jackson and Broja aren't up to it and the back up for all of these positions is young and flimsy.

Granted 3 of the 4 intended defenders are injured, but they always will be. You cannot build a reliable defence with James, Fofana and Chilwell in it. So we head into another transfer window with defence needing to be rebuilt.

Gusto I think is coming on, but Disasi and Cucurella are not good enough. Badiashile I am not convinced by, just seem so rigid and lacks fluidity in his movement. Colwill I am still yet to be convinced of even at CB. Could possibly turn into something alongside a really good CB. That could have been Silva but he you can see is now nearing the end.

So here we are again, another window and we still need a CF, 2 x CB and a LB, which is laughable really. Also how can we shift these players to make space anyway.

I notice you don't bother to mention Jackson 😉 I don't blame you, he is hopeless and will be gone soon

I am seeing enough progress from Gallagher, Mudryk, Caicedo, Palmer, Madueke, Gusto and Petrovic, to be quietly confident of avoiding relegation this season, and pushing for a top ten finish next season 😉😉

My issue is still the Coach, but hey maybe we need to give him some time too ?

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Going to go out on a limb here and, still saying that we have no real pattern or style, but with the exception of an out and out striker I am not displeased with the midfield and attacking personnel.

• Caicedo and Lavia look rusty and not at full fitness, but will work well together.
• Gallagher remain pivotal for energy and versatile, surprisingly for me.
• Enzo ditto about not being at full fitness and carrying an injury. I still think he is overrated but could be really good if the rest are good.
• Madueka and Palmer competing for that right hand side but also for the 10.
• Mudryk and Sterling competing for the left.
• Nkunku in the 10.

This to me has real potential if they can stay fit. Jackson and Broja aren't up to it and the back up for all of these positions is young and flimsy.

Granted 3 of the 4 intended defenders are injured, but they always will be. You cannot build a reliable defence with James, Fofana and Chilwell in it. So we head into another transfer window with defence needing to be rebuilt.

Gusto I think is coming on, but Disasi and Cucurella are not good enough. Badiashile I am not convinced by, just seem so rigid and lacks fluidity in his movement. Colwill I am still yet to be convinced of even at CB. Could possibly turn into something alongside a really good CB. That could have been Silva but he you can see is now nearing the end.

So here we are again, another window and we still need a CF, 2 x CB and a LB, which is laughable really. Also how can we shift these players to make space anyway.

After some of the lovely passes we have seen Enzo do this season, you still think he is overrated, you are dumb.

14 hours ago, dR3 said:

I was wondering the same. Do you think something like this would work?

Nkunku

Misha - Palmer - Noni

Definitely our strongest forward, who knows if Pochetino will do it especially if Enzo is fit, he knows he has to start Enzo and Caicedo so that the owners will not complain, and he always want to play Gallagher ( I don't know why), so he will play Gallagher as no 8, and sacrifice either Palmer or Noni.

This is why I hate Gallagher. Just imagine how explosive this our forward would have been, but Gallagher does not allow us to play it.

1 hour ago, hephzibah said:

After some of the lovely passes we have seen Enzo do this season, you still think he is overrated, you are dumb.

Moronic post. You think being able to pass the ball qualifies you for a fee for in excess of £100m? Do you not think that there should be a bit more than that?

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by WhiteWall

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Moronic post. You think being able to pass the ball qualifies you for a fee for in excess of £100m? Do you not think that there should be a bit more than that?

You don't even want to hide your stupidity. Who is Enzo Fernandes? A midfielder. Not a defensive midfielder, so he's not expected to be making all the tackles in the world for you.

He's more of a central midfielder. What is the job of a central midfielder? He's to connect the defense to the attack. That means he should be able to pass the ball well to the attackers, he should be able to get the ball from the defenders and pass it to the attackers.

That is what I just said, he can pass the ball well. Concerning his price tag, you can go and fight with the Benfica President (if I'm correct) that his fee is too high, then he will not sell him to us. If you keep complaining about players'prices, no team will sell any player to us, the prices of players all over the world have gone up, we all know that already, it is foolish to keep complaining about players' prices.

Players are different. Midfielders are different. Pirlo is different from Xavi, Xavi is different from Iniesta, Iniesta is different from Gerrard, Gerrard is different from Lampard and Lampard is different from Kevin De Bruyne, KDB is different from Enzo.

Don't expect Enzo to be like Lampard. Lampard was more forward, he had a very good shot. Enzo can't do some of these things because he's more of a deep lying midfielder, he keeps making things happening in the midfield, but he is not very hot in attack, he supplies the attackers and allow them to do their job.

Enzo is different from Lampard. He is worth his price tag. Stop all the hate.

So you see you are more of the moron now.

 

12 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

You don't even want to hide your stupidity. Who is Enzo Fernandes? A midfielder. Not a defensive midfielder, so he's not expected to be making all the tackles in the world for you.

He's more of a central midfielder. What is the job of a central midfielder? He's to connect the defense to the attack. That means he should be able to pass the ball well to the attackers, he should be able to get the ball from the defenders and pass it to the attackers.

Players are different. Midfielders are different. Pirlo is different from Xavi, Xavi is different from Iniesta, Iniesta is different from Gerrard, Gerrard is different from Lampard and Lampard is different from Kevin De Bruyne, KDB is different from Enzo.

Don't expect Enzo to be like Lampard. Lampard was more forward, he had a very good shot. Enzo can't do some of these things because he's more of a deep lying midfielder, he keeps making things happen in the midfield, but he is not very hot in attack, he supplies the attackers and allow them to do their job.

Concerning his price tag, you can go and fight with the Benfica President (if I'm correct) that his fee is too high, then he will not sell him to us. If you keep complaining about players'prices, no team will sell any player to us, the prices of players all over the world have gone up, we all know that already, it is foolish to keep complaining about players' prices.

Enzo is worth his price tag. Stop all the hate.

So you see you are more of the moron now.

 

 

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Moronic post. You think being able to pass the ball qualifies you for a fee for in excess of £100m? Do you not think that there should be a bit more than that?

To be honest, I think people need to calm down about the fees the club paid for Caicedo and Enzo.

Both of them are £50m players tops, and probably less than that based on their limited experience at the time. Neither of their previous clubs wanted to sell them, and the only way they would do so is by us paying a huge premium. "Everything has a price", as the old adage goes ... 

Clearlake and our Directors of Football obviously decided that was what they wanted to do, and so here we are !

Not Caicedo or Enzo's fault that our lot are poor negotiators !

Boehly in particular strikes me as the kind of guy who would offer you 5 if you asked for 4 ... I just wish I had something he wanted to buy LOL

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by Sexyfootball

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

To be honest, I think people need to calm down about the fees the club paid for Caicedo and Enzo.

Sure, I'll calm down... As long as we all agree that neither of them actually managed to replace what we previously had.

Enzo was supposed to be the upgrade on Jorginho but his dad said he wants to play like Lampard instead and Caicedo isn't really the anchor naturally since despite being involved in the buildup he needs more freedom which makes him more comparable to Kante and he's having a flop season.

Lavia is the only hope then so... The owners overpay and still don't know how to make a team.

 

Nah, think people need to relax on judging long term investments 6 months into their Chelsea careers whilst playing in a dysfunctional team where so far only 1 player has really improved. 

How dare Caicedo not immediately replace one of the greatest midfielders the Premier League has ever seen. 

4 hours ago, hephzibah said:

Definitely our strongest forward, who knows if Pochetino will do it especially if Enzo is fit, he knows he has to start Enzo and Caicedo so that the owners will not complain, and he always want to play Gallagher ( I don't know why), so he will play Gallagher as no 8, and sacrifice either Palmer or Noni.

This is why I hate Gallagher. Just imagine how explosive this our forward would have been, but Gallagher does not allow us to play it.

You hate a player who is Chelsea through and through and looks likely to win player of the season this season?

You're clearly not a Chelsea supporter - what are you doing on a Chelsea forum?

 

4 hours ago, hephzibah said:

Definitely our strongest forward, who knows if Pochetino will do it especially if Enzo is fit, he knows he has to start Enzo and Caicedo so that the owners will not complain, and he always want to play Gallagher ( I don't know why), so he will play Gallagher as no 8, and sacrifice either Palmer or Noni.

This is why I hate Gallagher. Just imagine how explosive this our forward would have been, but Gallagher does not allow us to play it.

 

1 hour ago, hephzibah said:

You don't even want to hide your stupidity. Who is Enzo Fernandes? A midfielder. Not a defensive midfielder, so he's not expected to be making all the tackles in the world for you.

He's more of a central midfielder. What is the job of a central midfielder? He's to connect the defense to the attack. That means he should be able to pass the ball well to the attackers, he should be able to get the ball from the defenders and pass it to the attackers.

That is what I just said, he can pass the ball well. Concerning his price tag, you can go and fight with the Benfica President (if I'm correct) that his fee is too high, then he will not sell him to us. If you keep complaining about players'prices, no team will sell any player to us, the prices of players all over the world have gone up, we all know that already, it is foolish to keep complaining about players' prices.

Players are different. Midfielders are different. Pirlo is different from Xavi, Xavi is different from Iniesta, Iniesta is different from Gerrard, Gerrard is different from Lampard and Lampard is different from Kevin De Bruyne, KDB is different from Enzo.

Don't expect Enzo to be like Lampard. Lampard was more forward, he had a very good shot. Enzo can't do some of these things because he's more of a deep lying midfielder, he keeps making things happening in the midfield, but he is not very hot in attack, he supplies the attackers and allow them to do their job.

Enzo is different from Lampard. He is worth his price tag. Stop all the hate.

So you see you are more of the moron now.

 

Please explain to me anywhere in any post i have ever made about any player where i have used the word hate.

I appreciate english isn't your first language so soemthing may be lost in translation but these seems to be a generational issue with the social media set nowadays. Making comments or posts identifying weaknesses in someboday's overall play, indrectly in a members fans forum, is not a hate post. Even a difference of opinion about someone directed at that person isn't necessarily a hate crime either. Posting offensive, abusive and derogatory comments directgly at an individual can definitely be classified as a hateful offence, but disagreement with a posting of a forum member is not hate.

52 minutes ago, Nibs said:

You hate a player who is Chelsea through and through and looks likely to win player of the season this season?

You're clearly not a Chelsea supporter - what are you doing on a Chelsea forum?

 

Not every player from the academy can be in the first team. This is simple. So many things have been said to support Gallagher in this team. Chelsea is not Charity FC where once you play in the academy, you must play in the first team. 

We have Palmer who should be starting in our no 8, Madueke must be starting on the right wing. Enzo and Caicedo are both deep lying midfielders and they must be starting because they obviously have a better quality than Gallagher.

Palmer is also better than Gallagher in No 8. Gallagher can't be starting and Madueke will be on the bench.

9 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

Enzo and Caicedo are both deep lying midfielders and they must be starting because they obviously have a better quality than Gallagher.

Palmer is also better than Gallagher in No 8. Gallagher can't be starting and Madueke will be on the bench.

Neither Enzo and definitely not Caicedo has been better than Gallagher this season! Not by a long shot!

57 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

 

Please explain to me anywhere in any post i have ever made about any player where i have used the word hate.

I appreciate english isn't your first language so soemthing may be lost in translation but these seems to be a generational issue with the social media set nowadays. Making comments or posts identifying weaknesses in someboday's overall play, indrectly in a members fans forum, is not a hate post. Even a difference of opinion about someone directed at that person isn't necessarily a hate crime either. Posting offensive, abusive and derogatory comments directgly at an individual can definitely be classified as a hateful offence, but disagreement with a posting of a forum member is not hate.

This is the first time since 2005 Chelsea fans will be supporting a player who is not technical in our midfield. Lampard was not even very technical in terms of through passes but he could pass long passes, and he scored many goals. Gallagher is not technical and he doesn't even score goals, so what's he doing in our midfield?

We had Fabregas, Oscar etc. Gallagher is not in any of the class I've mentioned above. Palmer, Enzo and Caicedo can play in our midfield. Gallagher shouldn't be playing there.

3 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

This is the first time since 2005 Chelsea fans will be supporting a player who is not technical in our midfield. Lampard was not even very technical in terms of through passes but he could pass long passes, and he scored many goals. Gallagher is not technical and he doesn't even score goals, so what's he doing in our midfield?

We had Fabregas, Oscar etc. Gallagher is not in any of the class I've mentioned above. Palmer, Enzo and Caicedo can play in our midfield. Gallagher shouldn't be playing there.

I think Gallagher is extremely overrated on this forum but I don't think he's useless, he's played well overall. Enzo has been very hit and miss since the Arsenal game for me but I think he definitely has more potential than Gallagher. They are different players anyway, so is Caicedo. I don't consider Gallagher to be a deep player. But he's pretty versatile, you can play him just about anywhere in the midfield and get a decent enough performance out of him. 

At the moment we're struggling to find a style of play that suits all of our players, that's the real issue. You can tell many of them aren't performing anywhere near as good as they could, whereas Gallagher is playing to the best of his ability week in week out. So as one of his biggest critics on this forum I'll at least give him credit for that. 

8 minutes ago, hephzibah said:

This is the first time since 2005 Chelsea fans will be supporting a player who is not technical in our midfield. Lampard was not even very technical in terms of through passes but he could pass long passes, and he scored many goals. Gallagher is not technical and he doesn't even score goals, so what's he doing in our midfield?

We had Fabregas, Oscar etc. Gallagher is not in any of the class I've mentioned above. Palmer, Enzo and Caicedo can play in our midfield. Gallagher shouldn't be playing there.

https://makeagif.com/gif/ramires-amazing-speed-and-goal-vs-barcelona-Kfjd5h

 

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by WhiteWall

5 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Neither Enzo and definitely not Caicedo has been better than Gallagher this season! Not by a long shot!

Indeed, that has been the story of those who don't want to see Enzo and Caicedo, but they want to see Gallagher.

When you should play Palmer, Mudryk, Madueke, and Sterling as false nine, with Enzo and Caicedo, you don't play Madueke, you play Gallagher as no 8, he becomes a problem to the team, our play is not standard enough, then we concede a goal and Poch will remove Enzo or Caicedo and say they can't tackle well, that is why we conceded a goal.

Then he will leave Gallagher on the pitch to keep making tackles. Then the fans start saying Gallagher has been our best player. Gallagher in the first place shouldn't be starting, if Palmer, Madueke, Mudryk and Nkunku play in front of Enzo and Caicedo, we will score more goals, we may concede a few goals, but we will outscore our opponents.

Gallagher shouldn't be starting in the team, Enzo, Caicedo, Palmer, Madueke, Mudryk and Nkunku should be starting.

10 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I think Gallagher is extremely overrated on this forum but I don't think he's useless, he's played well overall. Enzo has been very hit and miss since the Arsenal game for me but I think he definitely has more potential than Gallagher. They are different players anyway, so is Caicedo. I don't consider Gallagher to be a deep player. But he's pretty versatile, you can play him just about anywhere in the midfield and get a decent enough performance out of him. 

At the moment we're struggling to find a style of play that suits all of our players, that's the real issue. You can tell many of them aren't performing anywhere near as good as they could, whereas Gallagher is playing to the best of his ability week in week out. So as one of his biggest critics on this forum I'll at least give him credit for that. 

Whether it is Gallagher's best or not, his best is still not as good as Enzo and Caicedo's average performances.

Just now, hephzibah said:

Whether it is Gallagher's best or not, his best is still not as good as Enzo and Caicedo's average performances.

I disagree with that. 

Caicedo has been pretty poor recently, last game very poor. I still think he has potential to improve though. I'll be honest I never wanted us to sign him for that price tag just because he only had one season in the PL. But last season he looked excellent in almost every department, so there has to be something there, I just don't think he's gelling well in this current setup. Same with Enzo for that matter who I do think is a superb player. 

I think Gallagher has been bang average most games though. But people usually see things through a different lense for certain players, a youth player with a good attitude and works hard is always going to get the benefit of the doubt compared to a newbie who has a massive price tag.