3 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

It's not age, I've said this all season, it's inexperience.

Saka is young, but he's experienced. Is Palmer (our best player at the moment) experienced? Definitely not. 

Most of these players have come here all at once, playing together for the first time. Many of them have never played in the Premier League before until now. But the most important thing is most of them haven't even played together before until the season started. This was a huge risk by the Ownership, and I think it's huge naivete on their end which has no doubt crippled us at the moment. 

Caicedo, Disasi, Sanchez, Palmer and Jackson were all signed under Poch. That's £240m spent.

 

Did Poch not want those players? Then why isn't he speaking up the way Conte did in 2017? As far as we're aware, he's approved all of those signings.

 

And Caicedo was literally Brighton's best player last season, yet he looks mediocre here. Is that not a sign of a poor system from Poch?

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Caicedo, Disasi, Sanchez, Palmer and Jackson were all signed under Poch. That's £240m spent.

 

Did Poch not want those players? Then why isn't he speaking up the way Conte did in 2017? As far as we're aware, he's approved all of those signings.

 

And Caicedo was literally Brighton's best player last season, yet he looks mediocre here. Is that not a sign of a poor system from Poch?

Poch openly spoke up about a lot of those players, he isn't as Firey or combative as Conte which is why he was hired.

But he stressed he needed experience all summer and I believe he said he was surprised we'd signed Palmer before calling him a fantastic player but he clearly wasn't involved.

Caciedo for  £115m is a ridiculous fee but it wasn't driven by Poch.

We'd have paid £600m for Caciedo if Liverpool went that high because Boehly treats the Market like a personal challenge and simply won't miss out on whatever youth player he's decided is our holy grail.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Caicedo, Disasi, Sanchez, Palmer and Jackson were all signed under Poch. That's £240m spent.

 

Did Poch not want those players? Then why isn't he speaking up the way Conte did in 2017? As far as we're aware, he's approved all of those signings.

 

And Caicedo was literally Brighton's best player last season, yet he looks mediocre here. Is that not a sign of a poor system from Poch?

That's irrelevant to my point though, they're still not anywhere near as experienced as the Arsenal team. 

Saka and Martinelli have been playing for Arsenal since 2018. 

Enzo hasn't even been here a full year yet, Caicedo just joined and wasn't starting games until last season, Jackson new, Palmer new, Sanchez new (but does have PL experience). Our most experienced player is Raheem Sterling and it's only his 2nd season at the club. Surely this should tell you an awful lot about the state of things here?

Our most experienced Chelsea players are Silva, James, and Chilwell, the latter two are constantly injured and miss half the season, the former is a legend but he's nearly 40. 

That's my point, I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying Boehly isn't at fault, or even Pochettino isn't at fault. The point here is that this team is very inexperienced and I believe that's the biggest factor here, age has little to do with it so it's a pointless metric to compare against other teams. 

Pochettino has spoke about the inexperience and comparing his time at Southampton. He mentioned there will be inconsistent results. He's not wrong. Of course, there's things he could do differently, but not much. Apart from playing certain personnel in natural positions, what other option does he have? The main attacking player we bought in summer has been injured since pre-season. Poch also doesn't have an established striker or even goal scorer. Sterling is our best goal scorer, which says it all really. We don't even have a 15 goal a season attacking player, let alone a 20+ goal a season striker. I'm not sure I would have got rid of Koulibaly from defence. Unfortunately we also sold Giroud, but that was under Roman, which was a silly idea in hindsight.

Edited December 10, 20231 yr by enigma

I dont think theres any way more chaos  through firing and hiring will help us - even though performances and results are piss poor at the moment. We all thought anyone would be better than Potter, and then that anyone would be better than Lampard. We are broken, and there is no magic pill that will solve that for us in the short run

Just now, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I dont think theres any way more chaos  through firing and hiring will help us - even though performances and results are piss poor at the moment. We all thought anyone would be better than Potter, and then that anyone would be better than Lampard. We are broken, and there is no magic pill that will solve that for us in the short run

There is a magic pill. Todd and Co to stop thinking that is US league without relegations and such American craps. DO you remember when he arrived what he said?

"I can't believe that in European football there is a thing such as relegation. It must be removed"

No. And again both our football directors should be. 

39 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Pochettino says injuries are too much for him to build something solid. Sanchez and Cucurella are now injured. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC

Another bullsh*t excuse from him. I've had it.

Who's out that we are really missing? Nkunku is a wild card so nobody knows and Chilwell who the gaffer tried to convert into a poor winger. Otherwise it's the squad players that would be unlikely to play all that much anyways.

We have both of the most expensive midfielders in the world, they have both been healthy for every single game and they look like the Chuckle Brothers under Pocher. He's got zero excuses and he's got to go.

Expect him to be sacked tomorrow.

 

9 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I dont think theres any way more chaos  through firing and hiring will help us - even though performances and results are piss poor at the moment. We all thought anyone would be better than Potter, and then that anyone would be better than Lampard. We are broken, and there is no magic pill that will solve that for us in the short run

We're better than under Lampard and about equal to where we were under Potter I'd say.

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Another bullsh*t excuse from him. I've had it.

Who's out that we are really missing? Nkunku is a wild card so nobody knows and Chilwell who the gaffer tried to convert into a poor winger. Otherwise it's the squad players that would be unlikely to play all that much anyways.

We have both of the most expensive midfielders in the world, they have both been healthy for every single game and they look like the Chuckle Brothers under Pocher. He's got zero excuses and he's got to go.

Expect him to be sacked tomorrow.

 

He said that because he CAN'T say " I have bunch of Championship players" just months after he arrived. That is what Todd and Co wanted, they to pull the strings about buying players, not managers or coaches. Why do you think Nagelsmann turned us down? Because he wanted to be part of that recruitment and Todd said NO.

Like i said minutes ago Todd and Co must stop thinking that here is US League or they have to sell the club as soon as possible.

Edited December 10, 20231 yr by JJ8

2 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

He said that because he CAN'T say " I have bunch of Championship players" just months after he arrived. That is what Todd and Co wanted, they to pull the strings about buying players, not managers or coaches. Why do you think Nagelsmann turned us down? Because he wanted to be part of that recruitment and Todd said NO.

Like i said minutes ago Todd and Co must stop thinking that here is US League or they have to sell the club as soon as possible.

Caicedo looked fantastic at Brighton, Colwill looked great too, are they 'championship' players now?

 

 

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Caicedo looked fantastic at Brighton, Colwill looked great too, are they 'championship' players now?

 

 

Werner and Havertz also looked great, Pulisic too. Now are they showing great skills????????

He's missing his first choice LB, RB and Nkunku.

Take away those key players from any top side and they would struggle but on top of that he has no real tactics and we play an open game against anyone while having a highly inconsistent squad of inexperienced players.

Sacking him now won't change anything.

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

 

Pochettino says injuries are too much for him to build something solid. Sanchez and Cucurella are now injured. (@NizaarKinsella) #CFC
 

I think it’s right, not excuses. Is that 11 players out now? Remember it’s not short term, many of these injuries are long term. Current players are over played, lack of competition m, no solutions. Depending on how long Sanchez is out for, we will be relying on a young unproven goalkeeper 
 

I hope the board and fans appreciate this as it’s a massive factor which is hindering Poch

Dont think Sanchez being injured is a problem, he can't play any worse than he has already. I'd rather an upcoming keeper with passion than the lemon we currently have to suck up. 

I thought we'd have a better season, signs in pre-season looked promising. 

More widely, I think everyone is still feeling the effects of playing a World Cup in winter and delaying leagues has done (My suspicion - Thanks FIFA)

 injuries appear to be blighting the league this season. Alongside us are Spu*s, Newcastle, United, Sheffield, Brentford and Bournemouth. 8 or more injuries. 

https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

Across the league 137 players out. Many muscle injuries. 

In the women's game boots are one of the major contributors to injuries, or training pitches/ training and possibly think fatigue as excessive amounts of football and travel for pre-season. Certainly, players are also dropping with more heart problems over a wider number of years. 

Either way, it's hampering CFC. it sucks and it's another write off season. 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, JJ8 said:

He said that because he CAN'T say " I have bunch of Championship players" just months after he arrived. That is what Todd and Co wanted, they to pull the strings about buying players, not managers or coaches. Why do you think Nagelsmann turned us down? Because he wanted to be part of that recruitment and Todd said NO.

Like i said minutes ago Todd and Co must stop thinking that here is US League or they have to sell the club as soon as possible.

Agree with everything. They even have their hand in picking the XI so it's just completely insane all over.

Thankfully the "trust the process" shouts have stopped. There is no process and no project, just a shell of a former great club remains!

It does not feel like Chelsea FC anymore. It really doesn't.

 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

The only thing that scares me more than these unironic calls for a Mou 3.0 is I actually wouldn't put it past Clearlake to do it to buy themselves some time/good will.

With these owners, I think we are far more likely to end up with Potter 2.0 than Mourinho 3.0 LOL. 

It's still far too early to sack him. At the bare minimum we owe him the chance to get the likes of Fofana, Nkunku and Lavia in the first team. Ideally we should give him the chance to add some experience during the January transfer window.

It felt like we were making progress in the first eight or so games, I'm not sure why it's gone so badly sour in the last four.

Hasn't improved 1 player Has not got a proper system in place. Has no plan B. The defence attack and midfield are all much poorer than last season. 

You can expect this cycle every 6 months at Chelsea fans knee jerk reaction is to sack the manager start over again then when that manager fails do it all over again while other clubs at the top remain stable.

 

No. 

We will bring someone else in and end up in the same situation. Need to get on the phone to some clubs in Saudi and see if they want some players on long term contracts.

January we shouldn’t sign a player under 26 and give this squad a hardworking backbone. They simply just look lost out there looking for someone to just hold their hand and carry them to win.

Any aspiring owners need look at Clearlake and see how not to run a football club when you takeover. Everything rushed and the turnover of players was ridiculous. We sold good players for players who might not even be good for a lot more money.

Doesn’t matter about potential because Havertz, Pulisic, Mount, Koulibaly, Jorginho, Ruben and co are all better players than what we have right now. The board gambled on potential and it’s gone tits up. If you sack the manager you are not believing in the project they wanted to implement. They need to give it an injection of experience to save our season. 
 

I know we have young players and they could come good but right now they are not getting any positive experience. It’s just poor game after poor game. A player like Mudryk should be coming into a squad that’s playing well and thriving so he can have no pressure. We’ve thrown numerous players into an awful side all trying to gain experience. A lot of us were saying this at the beginning of the window and could see it a mile off. 
 

 

I'd like to see how we go in our next few home games first. Even when we are at the top of our game, Everton away has never been one of our favourite grounds.  We've caught them at the wrong time too.  I'd be fuming if we don't beat Sheffield United and Newcastle in the cup but if we do, like I expect, things will look better....

I'd get Sean Dyche in. 

He's working with absolute dross at Everton but he's got them organised and working their socks off for the shirt. 

Yeah, it’s far too early to sack him.

We need to give him a season at the very least. Things aren’t pretty right now but hopefully we’ll add experience (and not injury prone!) to the squad in January and we’ll see how we get on for rest of season.

It’s too difficult to judge Poch imo because of how the owners basically brought a whole new team so we don’t really know what they are capable of really. The ones we know, they’re always injured - Chilwell, James.

I’d like to see how he does with a decent set of forwards. He’s been unlucky losing Chilwell, James, Nkunku, Badashiele, Chuka, Lavia to injuries. But there’s not much he can do with a front line of Broja and Jackson. He’s been fighting fires all season to be fair with so many key players not available. But the real damage was done when we failed to sign a replacement for Nkunku in pre season. We were f***ed from that moment and whoever made the decision at Board level to go into the season with Broja and Jackson as our front pairing is the one that should be sacked. 

Edited December 10, 20231 yr by Dr. Socrates

No need to say anything other than NO!