1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Not sure the Tosin thread is the right place for it... 

 

...but for me, we had been poor for a long time. Constantly putting bandages over open wounds to try and eek out another cup - but without any long term planning.

- Buying the latest flavour of the month players like werner, like havertz - only to then get rid quickly (showing a lack of long term planning).

- Selling players, then buying them back for big bucks - like Lukaku  (again lack of long term planning).

-The constant need to change managers and implement short-term fixes (i,e Conte league win - after a drastic shift in formation, Tuchel Champions league win - after a drastic change to risk-averse football,  Lampard mk 1 - drastic change to gung ho attack without defensive structure, Sarri - a drastic change in style)....again, all these constant drastic changes point to a lack of long term planning.

- In the last 10 years we have had league finishes of 10th, 5th, 12th, 6th and a couple of fortunate 4th places that we scrapped into. Always chasing an immediate fix - rather than trying to put in some stable foundations.

- Arguably - our best player over the past 4 years has been a 40 yr old free signing. Hardly speaks of a club that is geared up for a long term approach.

I have said before, and will say again. In my opinion, we won cups and scraped into the top 4 over the past few years despite our approach (or lack of) - rather than because of it.

Thanks for your reply mate. I'm not sure how this topic has cropped up on here. !

Those relatively poor league places were interspersed with titles and trophies.

12 th place was under the new owners.

Anyway, let's hope the future is brighter.

 

3 hours ago, terraloon said:

Of course owners should learn from their mistakes. Anyone that’s ever run a business managed or whatever has to be able to say even if it’s only to themselves that they got it wrong and won’t repeat that mistake. Even the most successful of individuals get it wrong from time to time 

But it’s your last line that is perhaps the most illogical because I suspect that is a comment is something that is a million miles away from reality

 

Apologies if I've made a mistake about the owners making mistakes.

😜

Edited June 9, 20242 yr by The Rising Sun
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2 hours ago, dkw said:

What on earth are you going on about 😂

Don't ask me.

Everyone makes mistakes, even the most brilliant of people. 

I'm learning from them !😜

 

 

13 hours ago, Argo said:

Klopp wanted Gotze (i think) and Brandt but was overruled and given Mane and Salah. If we gave into Poch's desires we'd have no Palmer and a midfield that resembles 00s Stoke.

Blows my mind that people still think managers should get massive recruitment control in 2024.

 

 

His profile fits Maresca and we get some experience and leadership with him. I think a free transfer for a lad like this is a no brainer. 

Last season we bought Disasi to fill the same role (Fofanas injury) and ended up paying over 40m. 

19 hours ago, Argo said:

Klopp wanted Gotze (i think) and Brandt but was overruled and given Mane and Salah. If we gave into Poch's desires we'd have no Palmer and a midfield that resembles 00s Stoke.

Blows my mind that people still think managers should get massive recruitment control in 2024.

Fair play and agree tbh... Given how some of our signings turned out under Roman. We're still paying for Lukaku etc... 

however, it really does have to be a blend imo. I think we were all crying out for experienced players at some point last season - especially when the ijuries took hold. I'd simply offer the idea that if Poch had a couple of players who knew his style and how he worked, it may have rubbed off quicker on the players earlier on in the season what he was trying to do. 

City were set up for pep, I doubt he wont be consulted on players they want to bring in. I'd also argue the same for the small spanish waiter arteteteteta... Look, we're all just seeking an answer to the club's slump. I prey they get it right this season becuase it'll be another long 9 months come August. 

1 minute ago, bluetrooper said:

. I'd simply offer the idea that if Poch had a couple of players who knew his style and how he worked, it may have rubbed off quicker on the players earlier on in the season what he was trying to do. 

 

It didnt rub off on the players at all….

Did you not see us get battered by forest and Bournemouth towards the end of the season?

21 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Disagree strongly with this. The club were stagnant and had been for a while. We were rotten to the core. No identity. No style of our own. No clear philosophy. We were constantly trying to shoehorn players to play a system that worked for a short term - but then got found out. The limited success of recent years (winning the UCL being the standout) just hid the fact that we were rotting from the inside out.

We needed a hard reset.  We got one.

Now....I can agree that the players we purchased have not performed to a high enough level.  I can also agree that some of the players we have purchased have not been good enough. I can also agree that there has been an element of both bad luck, and bad management, when it comes to injuries. I can also agree that the managers blueco have installed have not worked out well.

But....2 wrongs (or multiple wrongs in this case) do not take away from the fact that we were not on the right path before the new owners came in.

We needed a reset. We got one. Perhaps we just didnt get the "right" one.

Give me another 20 years of Roman every day of the week. Greatest owner a football club could have asked for.

5 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

It didnt rub off on the players at all….

Did you not see us get battered by forest and Bournemouth towards the end of the season?

I did, but I also lok at the wider picture of improved performances over a period of time. they were shockers but so were some defeats under Sarri, Conte until his tactical switch, potter at southampton finished him...

I think it happens to teams trying to play the style we are, happened to other teams around us and on any given day, that is the premiership, teams take points from games theyre not supposed to. 

New manager at the healm, tbh, im expecting more of the same, inconsistant performances, injuries and some terrific performances. The aim has to be top 4 this season and a return to the champions league. We'll be there or thereabouts. I hope the likes of Tosin and others all step up a level. They need to. 

10 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Give me another 20 years of Roman every day of the week. Greatest owner a football club could have asked for.

Roman was a fantastic owner. But that doesn’t change the fact that our team was broken for a long time - including under Romans ownership.

51 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Roman was a fantastic owner. But that doesn’t change the fact that our team was broken for a long time - including under Romans ownership.

Still never went consecutive years without CL football. Under TT i still maintain we were a striker that actually suited us away from dominance. Without the government sticking their nose in for no reason and stopping us extending contracts that side was unbelievable. 

 

19 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Apologies if I've made a mistake about the owners making mistakes.

😜

I apologise if you felt you needed to apologise about the owner’s making mistakes. That was my mistake 

15 minutes ago, terraloon said:

I apologise if you felt you needed to apologise about the owner’s making mistakes. That was my mistake 

Stop it 

Just now, Valerie said:

Stop it 

I apologise for posting about me posting an apology because of a mistake . I further apologise for not stopping 

On 08/06/2024 at 11:03, terraloon said:

Moving to a new country when you are just into your twenties or late teens isn’t easy . I found it difficult moving 120 miles for work moving with my family and speaking the language I can’t imagine how difficult it must have been for some of the youngsters .

Best example of this has to be Oscar 21 living in the Bates hotel didn't speak much English (if any ) it's freezing cold I would imagine for someone from Brazil don't know anyone and it's dark at half four in the afternoon during Winter. But of course people will say yeah yeah he's getting well paid which is true but look at those footballers who go to Saudi they hate it cause there's absolutely nothing to do when your not playing football. I know someone will say apart from buying Bentleys so I'll save them the bother😆.

53 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Best example of this has to be Oscar 21 living in the Bates hotel didn't speak much English (if any ) it's freezing cold I would imagine for someone from Brazil don't know anyone and it's dark at half four in the afternoon during Winter. But of course people will say yeah yeah he's getting well paid which is true but look at those footballers who go to Saudi they hate it cause there's absolutely nothing to do when your not playing football. I know someone will say apart from buying Bentleys so I'll save them the bother😆.

Its always amazed me how football fans dehumanise players, just completely hand wave any of their problems because "they earn loads of money". f**king idiots.

On 09/06/2024 at 12:14, The Rising Sun said:

Thanks for your reply mate. I'm not sure how this topic has cropped up on here. !

Those relatively poor league places were interspersed with titles and trophies.

12 th place was under the new owners.

Anyway, let's hope the future is brighter.

 

I know. Funny when you read comments insinuating a broken team under achieving. 

Could it have been better? Yes.

In 2 decades where we one of the most successful English teams?  Yes 

Is Pep the greatest manager on earth? Possibly yes I my opinion. People don't realise but even him with City backing him spent loads and cut off players that didn't work instantly. 

Because he is so good they've not had to spend huge as other teams wanting same players would as the players want to play for him, making it easier during negotiations and of course the financial gains like sign on fees and salary. Plus he cane into a team that had been built, designed and prepped for him years ahead. 

And same people probably would complain that the dominance of teams like Bayern, PSG, Real and Barca, turn the league into a one team league, which is exactly what Pep and City are turning league into. 

Look at Arteta and Klopp, if Pep wasn't here they'd both have more league titles than they do. It's ridiculous and whilst victory is sweet, I don't want to see one team dominating like that, not even mine. It dilutes the essence of competitive sports and victory. 

7 hours ago, terraloon said:

I apologise if you felt you needed to apologise about the owner’s making mistakes. That was my mistake 

Make no mistake about it, the owners can't be " learning from their mistakes" unless they are making mistakes. So it was a mistake for me to apologise about it , for which I apologise.

4 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Make no mistake about it, the owners can't be " learning from their mistakes" unless they are making mistakes. So it was a mistake for me to apologise about it , for which I apologise.

Oh bloody hell, get a room you two.

Lol

17 hours ago, Simplymo said:

Oh bloody hell, get a room you two.

Lol

That would be a mistake if I'm not mistaken 

On 09/06/2024 at 22:39, Argo said:

Klopp wanted Gotze (i think) and Brandt but was overruled and given Mane and Salah. If we gave into Poch's desires we'd have no Palmer and a midfield that resembles 00s Stoke.

Blows my mind that people still think managers should get massive recruitment control in 2024.

No head coach will demand complete control of transfer. They have no time to scout and watch player.

Poch probably prefer somebody like onana over Caicedo but the club prefer Caicedo. Not a problem, I don't think poch has ever complained about Caicedo. 

Getting salah/mane over gotze/brandt is not a problem. Getting Madueke/Mudryk over gotze/brandt is the problem. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 20242 yr by Bob stark

Is this bloke on a free transfer?

Can we give him a contract then sell him straight away as " pure profit " ?

14 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Is this bloke on a free transfer?

Can we give him a contract then sell him straight away as " pure profit " ?

yes and yes 

I think we should shift him this week, we have plenty of reasonable defenders and should be able to make a small profit.

In fact if we can shift Disasi and Badashile too we can attempt to break even 😂

Edited August 25, 20241 yr by OneTommyLangley

I'm still confused as to why he chose us over Newcastle.