11 hours ago, Dubair said:

Because you asked which teams had a more favourable run in? Not to mention your original point named the 12 teams we played and called them fodder, hungover, crap form etc, but apparently you don’t care about other teams.

I’d of thought giving out examples of how teams around Chelsea in the table fared against the same opposition is a pretty obvious thing to do, when trying to gauge how hard or easy fixtures were.

Ok whilst I agree in part, it’s a side point to what I originally said that going 8-2-2 is a decent achievement from a results standpoint point , which you took exception too.

Read previous post about the circumstances. If Liverpool won the league one week later or Forest had squad depth we're playing conference league football again. We were lucky.

@Ukraine Bolt is right.

Maresca is sh*te.

It’s absolutely valid that over the course of a season our ‘run in’ at the end looked the toughest but that doesn’t take into account the mitigating circumstances.

Liverpool won the league, lost to us and didn’t win again domestically.

The only teams Forest had beaten since the start of April were the 3 bottom feeders that just scraped survival. They dropped points to Leicester of all sides in that time.

Outside of those 2 games the only side we faced with something to play for, in Newcastle, we had our pants pulled down.

Maresca set us up in Wroclaw exactly how he wanted to and it went disastrously wrong, he got bailed out by James being world class and Palmer ignoring all tactical instructions (f**k recycling just attack)

Should we as fans back the manager? Yeah sure, but also we’re not mindless robots we are allowed to acknowledge that he’s not really upto it as well and openly want better.

Look at our form from let’s say 22/12 to 13/04. It was borderline relegation. We rolled over in both domestic cup competitions so easily as well.

We’ve got CL football next season, albeit that should’ve been secured much more comfortably with how poor the league was on a whole, we won the European Milk Cup, albeit we made the Final much harder than it needed to be.

Maresca will get another season but does anyone genuinely believe his ego will allow him to play to the squads strengths as opposed to his flawed ideology?

19 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

@Ukraine Bolt is right.

Maresca is sh*te.

It’s absolutely valid that over the course of a season our ‘run in’ at the end looked the toughest but that doesn’t take into account the mitigating circumstances.

Liverpool won the league, lost to us and didn’t win again domestically.

The only teams Forest had beaten since the start of April were the 3 bottom feeders that just scraped survival. They dropped points to Leicester of all sides in that time.

Outside of those 2 games the only side we faced with something to play for, in Newcastle, we had our pants pulled down.

Maresca set us up in Wroclaw exactly how he wanted to and it went disastrously wrong, he got bailed out by James being world class and Palmer ignoring all tactical instructions (f**k recycling just attack)

Should we as fans back the manager? Yeah sure, but also we’re not mindless robots we are allowed to acknowledge that he’s not really upto it as well and openly want better.

Look at our form from let’s say 22/12 to 13/04. It was borderline relegation. We rolled over in both domestic cup competitions so easily as well.

We’ve got CL football next season, albeit that should’ve been secured much more comfortably with how poor the league was on a whole, we won the European Milk Cup, albeit we made the Final much harder than it needed to be.

Maresca will get another season but does anyone genuinely believe his ego will allow him to play to the squads strengths as opposed to his flawed ideology?

Exactly this. He deserves reactionary credit on paper.

When you actually look into the fine details, it was close to being a disaster. I wouldn't use the word lucky but we had some fortune. From Maguire being a toenail offside to Real Betis not taking advantage of an awful first half to go 2-0 up.

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Read previous post about the circumstances. If Liverpool won the league one week later or Forest had squad depth we're playing conference league football again. We were lucky.

Tbf even in your pessimistic hypothetical scenario we’re playing Europa based on winning the conference.

Forest form had tailed off , but even at that they had somewhat stabilised and were unbeaten in their 3 prior. Then they had an essential cup final at home, there’s a reason why the narrative all week in the media was that Chelsea would not win.

You can keep going on about luck and easy fixtures but I’ve literally pointed out numerous examples of similar level teams to us dropping points in those same games.

Furthermore, you can see all the Opta stats on our run in & all the commentary from pundits on how we had a tough run in, wouldn’t beat forest etc but obviously we got lucky.

I don't think there's any doubt we were lucky, even with results going our way as well, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

First season is all about getting CL football again at all cost, second season we hopefully build on improving the style of play once Maresca has more experience on what works and what doesn't as well as having better players.

6 minutes ago, Dubair said:

Tbf even in your pessimistic hypothetical scenario we’re playing Europa based on winning the conference.

Forest form had tailed off , but even at that they had somewhat stabilised and were unbeaten in their 3 prior. Then they had an essential cup final at home, there’s a reason why the narrative all week in the media was that Chelsea would not win.

You can keep going on about luck and easy fixtures but I’ve literally pointed out numerous examples of similar level teams to us dropping points in those same games.

Furthermore, you can see all the Opta stats on our run in & all the commentary from pundits on how we had a tough run in, wouldn’t beat forest etc but obviously we got lucky.

We're discussing the run in on the league, without the luck we finish 7th.

Their unbeaten run you quote includes a draw to relegated Leicester and a draw to a team with one eye on a cup final, its disingenuous to pretend like they weren't in free fall. The media may have been loud in their dislike of Chelsea but as someone that lives in Nottingham i can tell you the vast majority of Forest fans were resigned to the fact the season was over based on their actual form and what they watched every week.

Why do you care about other teams? I care about how i see Chelsea play.

Opta stats and commentary. LMAO. At least you agree we got lucky.

8 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I don't think there's any doubt we were lucky, even with results going our way as well, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

First season is all about getting CL football again at all cost, second season we hopefully build on improving the style of play once Maresca has more experience on what works and what doesn't as well as having better players.

I agree with this. He'll get a second season based on fortune, lets see what he can do now.

I disagree with the likes of Dubair and Chapo trying rewrite history like the last 5 months haven't been some of the most boring football we've witnessed and like he didn't try his best to throw away a European cup final.

I had been thinking that the team was rebelling against Maresca. But my opinion has now changed. from the celebrations after the cup win, they clearly do like and support him. But the turning point for me was the game he was banned. they obviously played totally different to the plan, fully encouraged by cabellero. Since that game every first half has been the slow turgid style of Maresca, Followed by a more free flowing attack minded display. As if the plan is play that way, and if it works great, if not then release the shackles a bit. I think that banned game has forced him to realise that he does have a lot of talent at his disposal. They have become a pretty good defensive team. Earlier in the season the attack scared the sh*t out of every other team, but the defence was frankly a joke. Since then the defence has improved immensly, but at the cost of the attack. I think Maresca is begining to come around to the realisation that it is possible to have both, albeit without the attack being too gung ho.

The one worry for me is he is such a Pep disciple that like him he can try to be too clever at times. don't forget Pep f**ked up Cities first ECL final by trying to be too clever.

Maresca kinda resembles our team in general. We have a fine team, not elite, not bad same with Maresca.

Rather than worrying about Maresca, I think everyone shoud be more worried about our transfer. You can't spend 200m and barely improve.

Anyone who likes English talent we have good amount of them. Apart from maybe Chuks and Tosin you have good young English talent there. James is closing in on prime age wise..You can also look at Kiernan, Acheampong, George and Kellyman who could fill in one of the roles. Maybe also some young CB's from Cobham.

Anyway a random post but it is what it is...😀

Edited May 30, 20251 yr by evissy

58 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I disagree with the likes of Dubair and Chapo trying rewrite history like the last 5 months haven't been some of the most boring football we've witnessed and like he didn't try his best to throw away a European cup final.

Only person trying to rewrite history is you by picking holes in every single result in a 3 month period. I’ve said going 8-2-2 is a solid achievement no more no less.

My very first response to you, I said he’d made a balls of the first half of the final & played some crap football in certain games in the run in, so I don’t know why you’re acting as if I disagree?

Imo he’s met the objectives for the season in getting 4th & winning the conference league. Very good first half to the season , terrible mid part, good results to end the season if mixed bag performances.

Palmer said everything you need to know about our tactics when he described his 2 assists.

He was fed up with passing sideways and backwards. He disobeyed what Maresca wanted and played to his strengths instead.

You don't need to know anything else about Maresca's tactics after hearing Palmer say that. It's stifling our players.

1 hour ago, Dubair said:

Only person trying to rewrite history is you by picking holes in every single result in a 3 month period. I’ve said going 8-2-2 is a solid achievement no more no less.

My very first response to you, I said he’d made a balls of the first half of the final & played some crap football in certain games in the run in, so I don’t know why you’re acting as if I disagree?

Imo he’s met the objectives for the season in getting 4th & winning the conference league. Very good first half to the season , terrible mid part, good results to end the season if mixed bag performances.

I'm not rewriting history, i'm stating exactly what happened. Just like the others on this thread agreeing with me, i don't know why you're getting so upset about it. 8-2-2 is the bare minimum based on the circumstances of the games.

Do you watch games or just check the league table at the end of the season. There's no way you watched the games from Dec-May and are walking away happy.

17 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'm not rewriting history, i'm stating exactly what happened. Just like the others on this thread agreeing with me, i don't know why you're getting so upset about it. 8-2-2 is the bare minimum based on the circumstances of the games.

Do you watch games or just check the league table at the end of the season. There's no way you watched the games from Dec-May and are walking away happy.

It’s your opinion that that is exactly what happened. Plenty disagree and it’s been listed to you but you just disregard anything that goes against your narrative.

Of course I watch the games, do you read my replies? I’ve said maybe 3 times now to you that Xmas-Feb/March was crap. The remainder was ok , good results for the most part (in my opinion), performances were a mixed bag.

4 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

@Ukraine Bolt is right.

Maresca is sh*te.

It’s absolutely valid that over the course of a season our ‘run in’ at the end looked the toughest but that doesn’t take into account the mitigating circumstances.

Liverpool won the league, lost to us and didn’t win again domestically.

The only teams Forest had beaten since the start of April were the 3 bottom feeders that just scraped survival. They dropped points to Leicester of all sides in that time.

Outside of those 2 games the only side we faced with something to play for, in Newcastle, we had our pants pulled down.

Maresca set us up in Wroclaw exactly how he wanted to and it went disastrously wrong, he got bailed out by James being world class and Palmer ignoring all tactical instructions (f**k recycling just attack)

Should we as fans back the manager? Yeah sure, but also we’re not mindless robots we are allowed to acknowledge that he’s not really upto it as well and openly want better.

Look at our form from let’s say 22/12 to 13/04. It was borderline relegation. We rolled over in both domestic cup competitions so easily as well.

We’ve got CL football next season, albeit that should’ve been secured much more comfortably with how poor the league was on a whole, we won the European Milk Cup, albeit we made the Final much harder than it needed to be.

Maresca will get another season but does anyone genuinely believe his ego will allow him to play to the squads strengths as opposed to his flawed ideology?

I said if we play the same boring paint drying way as last season next season I am not watching.

I don’t have the energy or time to waste on Maresca nonsense football ideology which he will never change.

I am getting to the point in life where I don’t need to waste time on nonsense.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Anyone who likes English talent we have good amount of them. Apart from maybe Chuks and Tosin you have good young English talent there. James is closing in on prime age wise..You can also look at Kiernan, Acheampong, George and Kellyman who could fill in one of the roles. Maybe also some young CB's from Cobham.

Anyway a random post but it is what it is...😀

Where the hell is Mark Cockerell and Moses Carpender (a ltitle help needed here) in your squad?

1 hour ago, Dubair said:

It’s your opinion that that is exactly what happened. Plenty disagree and it’s been listed to you but you just disregard anything that goes against your narrative.

Of course I watch the games, do you read my replies? I’ve said maybe 3 times now to you that Xmas-Feb/March was crap. The remainder was ok , good results for the most part (in my opinion), performances were a mixed bag.

The fact you think the remainder was ok would imply you don't watch them.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

I said if we play the same boring paint drying way as last season next season I am not watching.

I don’t have the energy or time to waste on Maresca nonsense football ideology which he will never change.

I am getting to the point in life where I don’t need to waste time on nonsense.

Yes, but we plodded along to 4th place so you should be happy with it and worship the ground Enzo walks on. It doesn't matter how god awful it was, we should be honoured for his presence.

1 hour ago, Dubair said:

We got fortune with Liverpool winning the league prior to our game that’s it, still had to go out and beat them which is something Arsenal failed to do in a similar position.

Villa literally finished the season against Spurs reserves a few days out from the europa final and a dejected man United, If you want to talk about fortune and yet they still couldn’t get the job done.

anyway as I thought, you can’t put forward any decent argument for anyone other than Liverpool or maybe palace having a stronger finish to the season.

The jury is still out on Maresca and there’s a number of valid criticism of him, but picking holes in every single result over a 3 months period is ridiculous. Conversely, I’d say the same if someone was offering excuse after excuse for him after every game we were crap from Xmas to February.

On 29/05/2025 at 19:56, Ukraine Bolt said:

Sorry, who are you? Aren't you the clown that created a thread dick riding Maresca lmao hope he sees these messages bro

Glad im considered a clown even though the gaffer proved me right. I’ll just sit here and wait for you lot to begin your next agenda.

Edited May 30, 20251 yr by Chapo

On 29/05/2025 at 22:50, The Rising Sun said:

You're proper Chelsea and you're going to back the gaffer and give him time.

But our owners haven't been backing the managers have they ?

Our owners haven't been giving them time have they ?

Your anger is directed at our fans instead,. You're "proper Chelsea" and say we can't go back to what we used to be. . We should never have stopped being what we used to be.. Decisions by the owners put paid to that. ...

And if you're "proper Chelsea" you would know that supporting someone else isn't an.option..

Your anger should be directed somewhere else mate.

Not once have I said I’m a fan of blue co at all. No owner in football is comparable to Roman so I had a realistic view when the yanks took us over to expect us to drop off. I did not expect us to drop as hard as we did but I wasn’t expecting fixes straight away. I don’t agree with the strictly youth buying as this squad is crying out for experience. What I can say is that I know we have had an up and down season but I think we need to stick with the gaffer. I hate the fact everyone is on his back when he has done the job this season. If he fails next season then I’ll change my view.

17 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

That "support another team" outburst if someone doesn't agree with you is just childish. Leave it out and debate properly.

I’m just sick to death of people bringing down what the boys have done this season. I respect the reply but if someone is being disrespectful then I’m going to reply no?

Interesting read.

I’m drawing a line from today. The season is done and it ended up a successful season whilst watching football that made my eyes bleed.

The great managers get the identity of the club and use that to their advantage tactically. Maresca is so far into his “system” that he has no idea what that identity is. Maybe another transfer window somehow make it all click?

Arteta took a few years to get his team get anywhere near challenging in the league. They looked a terrible team. They are a bit like us in that they are thinking “how different would the season have been if we had a top striker?”

Klopp took a couple of seasons to get success at Liverpool.

I’m not confident Maresca can do the same but he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon so he starts again with a clean slate as he’s delivered what most of the fans would have been happy with this season. 4th and the Conference if offered on day one I’d have taken it and I’m sure most posters would too.

It was just the most turgid, boring pish from Xmas and that has to change and soon.

I think this window is going to be carnage both in and out.

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21 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

@Ukraine Bolt is right.

Maresca is sh*te.

It’s absolutely valid that over the course of a season our ‘run in’ at the end looked the toughest but that doesn’t take into account the mitigating circumstances.

Liverpool won the league, lost to us and didn’t win again domestically.

The only teams Forest had beaten since the start of April were the 3 bottom feeders that just scraped survival. They dropped points to Leicester of all sides in that time.

Outside of those 2 games the only side we faced with something to play for, in Newcastle, we had our pants pulled down.

Maresca set us up in Wroclaw exactly how he wanted to and it went disastrously wrong, he got bailed out by James being world class and Palmer ignoring all tactical instructions (f**k recycling just attack)

Should we as fans back the manager? Yeah sure, but also we’re not mindless robots we are allowed to acknowledge that he’s not really upto it as well and openly want better.

Look at our form from let’s say 22/12 to 13/04. It was borderline relegation. We rolled over in both domestic cup competitions so easily as well.

We’ve got CL football next season, albeit that should’ve been secured much more comfortably with how poor the league was on a whole, we won the European Milk Cup, albeit we made the Final much harder than it needed to be.

Maresca will get another season but does anyone genuinely believe his ego will allow him to play to the squads strengths as opposed to his flawed ideology?

Maresca had made some odd decisions but give credit where due .. his team played great in the run in.. these are the same circumstance that every team had .. not Chelsea so did villa and Newcastle.. besides we hype up city when they dot he exact same thing.. we did what was required others didn’t so he deserves credit..

15 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

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Whatever you think of him as a football coach, he's winning in life right there !