15 minutes ago, Dr. Socrates said:

I’d take Sancho for Mudryk and Sterling. But I don’t know how easy it’d be to offload Mudryk at this stage. Can’t see him starting many games for us though. Maresca sounds like he’s given up on him already.

Who can blame him? Neto is so much better than him it's laughable.

This team wants to play football, no time for braindead pace merchants or dusted footballers.

10 minutes ago, Dr. Socrates said:

I’d take Sancho for Mudryk and Sterling. But I don’t know how easy it’d be to offload Mudryk at this stage. Can’t see him starting many games for us though. Maresca sounds like he’s given up on him already.

Yeah, doesnt look good for Mudryk.  People seem to think that we dont need a winger since we signed Felix, but he’s not really a winger, is he. Neither is Nkunku.

Therefore , IF we play Palmer in the middle, Neto left and Noni right that means we do not have a single winger available to rotate with on either side - unless Gabriel and George all of the sudden become viable options for Maresca

Looking at it this way, Sancho makes sense, even with plenty of red flags regarding both his attitude and output.

5 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Who can blame him? Neto is so much better than him it's laughable.

This team wants to play football, no time for braindead pace merchants or dusted footballers.

Sad, but true.

1 hour ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Chiesa is awful.

Sancho has resale value.

Felix isn't a project, he's a baller. 

 

I struggle to see how anyone here isn't for this if we shift Mudryk and Sterling out.

Disagree

Depends what we pay and if he’s still sh*t here

not proven at all.  Needs work = project

We ain’t shifting Mudryk in any of this. Sterling for Sancho could go either way.

1 minute ago, DarkMata said:

Disagree

Depends what we pay and if he’s still sh*t here

not proven at all.  Needs work = project

We ain’t shifting Mudryk in any of this. Sterling for Sancho could go either way.

I honestly don't think Felix needs work. His performances will speak for themselves, trust me. 

2 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

I honestly don't think Felix needs work. His performances will speak for themselves, trust me. 

I like your optimism hope you’re right and if the Sancho move happens I hope he can sort himself out and rediscover his early Dortmund days.  Just a little skeptical it’s all going to work out perfectly.

We shouldn't be going anywhere near this arse hole 

2 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

We shouldn't be going anywhere near this arse hole 

Spot on

15 hours ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Couldn't disagree more.

The quality of player across the entire attack is through the roof right now. Sancho is a baller on a level that Sterling has never been and Mudryk has yet to prove he can be. 

He can play anywhere across the attack and just because it hasn't worked out at United under their horrific manager doesn't mean much.

Don't forget also the age difference from the players you mentioned.

Sterling has flattered to decieve at Chelsea, but he is the 3rd highest EPL goalscorer among active players (the other two are Salah and Vardy) and he has won a PFA and FWA Player of the Year award in 2018-19. 

Sancho, by comparison, has won nothing and achieved nothing in senior football. They aren't even on the same planet in terms of achievements by the age of 24, so what you say is completely wrong. He's also played in a much weaker league so his numbers with Dortmund, while impressive, do not compare with the likes of Neto, Felix or Madueke to date, let alone Cole Palmer.

At 24, Sancho's window for success is rapidly closing if not closed already. We will do well if we effectively replace Sterling with Joao Felix, as it costs the club much less for probably a similar output but to add the cost of someone like Sancho to an already-bloated squad is stupidity.

16 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Sterling has flattered to decieve at Chelsea, but he is the 3rd highest EPL goalscorer among active players (the other two are Salah and Vardy) and he has won a PFA and FWA Player of the Year award in 2018-19. 

Sancho, by comparison, has won nothing and achieved nothing in senior football. They aren't even on the same planet in terms of achievements by the age of 24, so what you say is completely wrong. He's also played in a much weaker league so his numbers with Dortmund, while impressive, do not compare with the likes of Neto, Felix or Madueke to date, let alone Cole Palmer.

At 24, Sancho's window for success is rapidly closing if not closed already. We will do well if we effectively replace Sterling with Joao Felix, as it costs the club much less for probably a similar output but to add the cost of someone like Sancho to an already-bloated squad is stupidity.

Watching Sterling balloon chance after chance over the bar for city cost them quite a few times. Sure, over the season he scored a lot, but he needed so many chances to do it I'll never put him in the elite category. 

It is fair to say that Sancho hasn't worked out at United, but the talent is there.

 

As of this second, I'd rather have Sancho, but he'll surely have to take a huge paycut

34 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Watching Sterling balloon chance after chance over the bar for city cost them quite a few times. Sure, over the season he scored a lot, but he needed so many chances to do it I'll never put him in the elite category. 

It is fair to say that Sancho hasn't worked out at United, but the talent is there.

 

As of this second, I'd rather have Sancho, but he'll surely have to take a huge paycut

No it didn't. I think it's fair to say Man City might have won a few trophies since 2016.

Getting a lot of chances is the mark of a good player and even the best strikers only score around 50% of their shots on target. Even still Sterling is in the same company as Erling Haaland and Harry Kane in that regard, not Jadon Sancho lol. Sancho is so washed up he can't even beat players off the dribble any more, let alone get shots on target. 

There are plenty of reasons to not like Sterling's performances at Chelsea, but to try claim his record at Man City is rubbish or that he isn't talented is just poor logic.

If anything, the fact that he hasn't performed to the level his talent demands is the main reason we all want Sterling gone - just not for a player at least equally as washed up with none of the underlying talent.

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Don’t think we need him. Only way this really works for me is if Mudryk is loaned out. 

It does suggest though cover / competition with a wide player for Madueke on the right. With Neto on the left, the profile of wide wingers is also returning. 

All of this allows Palmer to be central, although he can still cover the right. Lots of options. 

It's purely a financial vehicle to move Sterling's wages out. I wonder what the club would do if Sterling came out and said he'd be prepared to drop his base salary to 150k pw. I think if Sterling was already gone and Mudryk loaned out we wouldn't go anywhere near Sancho.  They would have no interest in him. Eze is better than all of them BTW.

It's purely a facility for both clubs to shift the players that they don't want rather than buying players that they do want. The only difference is that Sterling walks into their side atm.

5 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

Don’t think we need him. Only way this really works for me is if Mudryk is loaned out. 

It does suggest though cover / competition with a wide player for Madueke on the right. With Neto on the left, the profile of wide wingers is also returning. 

All of this allows Palmer to be central, although he can still cover the right. Lots of options. 

So we have palmer Nkunku and felix all competing for one spot - plus Paez next year too 😬

11 hours ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Ok, so he's not rated by Ten Hag who is a woeful manager? 

Again, at Dortmund he was brilliant just a few months ago. 

With the right environment he would thrive.

But we just don't need him.

Too many players/options just complicate things for the coach. Competition for places is one thing but when you have players being unhappy about being left out and not getting game time it's not good. Add to that it seems Sancho has an attitude problem and causes problems - that's the last thing this "project" needs.

 

I also think that there has been a lot of noise around him for his general attitude and off field actions., I like the way that Maresca has been conducting himself to this point. I just cannot see how any player with attitude, punctuality issues and a poor disciplinary record within the training environment can succeed with Maresca.

8 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

No it didn't. I think it's fair to say Man City might have won a few trophies since 2016.

Getting a lot of chances is the mark of a good player and even the best strikers only score around 50% of their shots on target. Even still Sterling is in the same company as Erling Haaland and Harry Kane in that regard, not Jadon Sancho lol. Sancho is so washed up he can't even beat players off the dribble any more, let alone get shots on target. 

There are plenty of reasons to not like Sterling's performances at Chelsea, but to try claim his record at Man City is rubbish or that he isn't talented is just poor logic.

If anything, the fact that he hasn't performed to the level his talent demands is the main reason we all want Sterling gone - just not for a player at least equally as washed up with none of the underlying talent.

I don't want to get bogged down in Sterling debate, this thread is about Sancho, who is a much better and more talented footballer. 

Just ask a city fan of they rate Sterling is all I'll say. 

Whether or not Sancho will get back to the player he can be if given the chance here is another matter and it is a risk since we're already so stacked on the wing. Mudryk looks like he's toast of this goes through.

Ideal scenario for me would be a straight swap with Sterling and Sancho.

Sancho takes Mudryk’s place and he goes off on loan to somewhere like Germany or Italy, to try increase his transfer value.

59 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

I don't want to get bogged down in Sterling debate, this thread is about Sancho, who is a much better and more talented footballer. 

Just ask a city fan of they rate Sterling is all I'll say. 

Whether or not Sancho will get back to the player he can be if given the chance here is another matter and it is a risk since we're already so stacked on the wing. Mudryk looks like he's toast of this goes through.

Just ask a Utd fan how they rate Sancho.

He's precise what our dressing room doesn't need right now.

22 minutes ago, Andy North said:

Just ask a Utd fan how they rate Sancho.

He's precise what our dressing room doesn't need right now.

Most of the ones I've talked to blame the manager over Sancho. It's only Ten Haag that's had these issues afaik

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I also think that there has been a lot of noise around him for his general attitude and off field actions., I like the way that Maresca has been conducting himself to this point. I just cannot see how any player with attitude, punctuality issues and a poor disciplinary record within the training environment can succeed with Maresca.

Seems to have been made pretty clear from the start that Maresca is here to work with the players our esteemed directors deign to bestow upon him and that's it.

18 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Most of the ones I've talked to blame the manager over Sancho. It's only Ten Haag that's had these issues afaik

Living up north most Utd fans are happy to see him go and most prefer Sterling.  Don't think its a Ten Haag thing either here's a quote from BILD.

[Bild] When Jadon Sancho was at Dortmund, discipline was always a concern, he often came late to training or flew away for 2 to 3 days after a match. The biggest problem, according to BVB bosses, is that Sancho sleeps too little and sits at the console and plays until the early hours of the morning.

If we didnt sign Stirling, we wouldnt be signing Sancho. I dont get it. I dont know why Sancho is needed, I dont get why Stirling is surplus to requirements. This transfer if it goes through is a desperation one and will end in disaster. Felix, Nkunku can play there. Murdryk can warm the bench, now we know Noni has a right foot, give him a go there if desperate. 

Bonkers 

If we’d have got the City Sterling this wouldn’t be a debate. But we don’t, we have this version of him and I think we’ve all seen enough to want to see the back of him.

Sancho initially at Dortmund and then once again last season on loan was fantastic. That can’t be denied, he’s not even been a total flop at Utd, there’ve been glimpses of that player but under a manager as gloomy as ETH he was never going to thrive.

If it gets Sterling gone, reduces the wagebill and essentially upgrades on Mudryk (who I still believe will be a baller once he figures it all out, Serie A or Bundesliga loan is crying out) then it’s good business once again by the ‘clowns’

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41 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Most of the ones I've talked to blame the manager over Sancho. It's only Ten Haag that's had these issues afaik

Dortmund indulged his attitude issues. ten Hag wouldn't and Maresca won't.