Show us what you're f*ck!ng made of and lets put this thread to bed!!!

 

 

You've made 13 posts and you're demanding that this thread be put to bed??  Are you Wee Willie Winkie?

priceless

Sadly not. Cost us £50 million

I'll admit i do get a frisson of excitement if Torres is playing, but i certainly aint blind enough to see when he is playing like a plank, ie against monterey, i just don't dig the hatred, none of us could ever achieve what he has on the field, so slag him off, but you couldnt play like him at his worst !!

And a decent transfer fee...

I doubt we'll ever get what we paid but the club needs to benefit or at least minimise losses. 

If he's to be sold then he should be advertised as a desirable asset. If the fans can't back him and promote him then whoever takes him will steal him away. I know it's not our money but its in the clubs interests to make profit or at least minimise losses. 

Here's what I think...I can't prove it, or back it up with any evidence...this is what I think and hope it creates a healthy discussion:

"Rafa has been brought to the club to bring the best out of Torres, a £50 million asset. Rafa's contract is explicitly short term and there is no intention of keeping him at the club longer than necessary. The only reason he has been brought to Chelsea is to at least elevate the value of Torres or miraculously transform him into a goal scoring monster.

5 goals in 3 games is a marked improvement...however the opposition we've played up to now hasn't been the same standard...with respect.

Lets see what happens after the Corinthians game...they are a proper team who play real football and our first real challenge following RDM's departure. 

Managers, players and even owners will come and go but the club should be the focus...i'm interested in whatever benefits the club.

I've been a fan for a long time but only recently been compelled to join this forum. The club should always be the focus and we should judge people on how they affect the club...for the better, improving, promoting, elevating...positive ways of taking it forward...the point is, what is the most important aspect of CHELSEA...players, manager, owner or the club?...

I'll admit i do get a frisson of excitement if Torres is playing, but i certainly aint blind enough to see when he is playing like a plank, ie against monterey, i just don't dig the hatred, none of us could ever achieve what he has on the field, so slag him off, but you couldnt play like him at his worst !!

 

TBH B&B that last part is completely and utterly irrelevant. Most of us couldn't even play like Dave Mitchell !!!

 

 

 

@ Vinny Gee. Interesting last post mate. My personal view is that the most important aspect of any club is the fans. Without them no club exists. Personally I will never accept the appointment of FSW because of everything that has gone before between him and us, he stepped way over the line with his comments about our support. And, that aside, I also don't rate him as a manager. OK, depending on how he does with us he may possibly change my opinion of him as a manager, but even he does well I will still want him gone at the earliest opportunity. I am also fed up with Roman's constant meddling in team affairs and want to send a clear message that he needs to back off, show some patience and loyalty, and not make rash decisions that completely disregard the views of the majority of the fans.

Edited December 14, 201213 yr by just

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I don't want Torres to succeed, I want him out as soon as possible but if we are stuck with him I hope he can at least bag himself and the team a few goals.</p></blockquote>

Thats just mental, how can anyone want any Chelsea player to fail. I have had players I disliked in the past but I always wanted them to do the job on the pitch for us.

I'll admit i do get a frisson of excitement if Torres is playing, but i certainly aint blind enough to see when he is playing like a plank, ie against monterey, i just don't dig the hatred, none of us could ever achieve what he has on the field, so slag him off, but you couldnt play like him at his worst !!

 

Bollocks. Torres at his worst doesn't score, falls over constantly and pouts like the first girl rejected from Britain's Top Model. I'm perfectly capable of doing all of those things.

Thats just mental, how can anyone want any Chelsea player to fail. I have had players I disliked in the past but I always wanted them to do the job on the pitch for us.

 

It makes sense if what he's trying to say is that he doesn't believe Torres will ever come good and he's afraid that a run of form over the next few weeks/months might convince Roman to stick with him for another year rather than finding a better striker to lead the line. In such a scenario, the utility gained by Torres playing poorly and therefore getting replaced is greater than the utility gained by Torres playing well and sticking around. It's not the way that I feel, but it's coldly rational as opposed to mental. 

Sorry mate, I just cant see any scenario where I would ever want a player fail for us, never. No matter how much I disliked them or wanted them to leave the club, any time they are on the pitch I want them to play well.

Thats just mental, how can anyone want any Chelsea player to fail. I have had players I disliked in the past but I always wanted them to do the job on the pitch for us.

 

It makes sense if what he's trying to say is that he doesn't believe Torres will ever come good and he's afraid that a run of form over the next few weeks/months might convince Roman to stick with him for another year rather than finding a better striker to lead the line. In such a scenario, the utility gained by Torres playing poorly and therefore getting replaced is greater than the utility gained by Torres playing well and sticking around. It's not the way that I feel, but it's coldly rational as opposed to mental. 

That would be a reasonable point of view but it's quite an extrapolation from what the poster actually said. "I don't want Torres to succeed.", that seems pretty unambiguous to me. It's a very daft thing for a Chelsea supporter to say.

Sorry mate, I just cant see any scenario where I would ever want a player fail for us, never. No matter how much I disliked them or wanted them to leave the club, any time they are on the pitch I want them to play well.

 

Some of these posters need to see if they can dig out a few videos from back in the day when we had some genuinely crap players, I know Torres hasn't lived up to expectations, but he's no Jokanovic, now that guy was really sh*t, but I never willingly hoped he failed when he was playing, I just really hoped he wasn't in the side!

I don't want Torres to succeed, I want him out as soon as possible but if we are stuck with him I hope he can at least bag himself and the team a few goals.

So you are willing to see the club fail just because of a bitter little spat you have with one of the players?

Pathetic mate, just pathetic.

That would be a reasonable point of view but it's quite an extrapolation from what the poster actually said. "I don't want Torres to succeed.", that seems pretty unambiguous to me. It's a very daft thing for a Chelsea supporter to say.

 

It certainly is, which is why I qualified it with, "It makes sense if what he's trying to say is...". It's probably more likely that he's just angry at Torres and wants him to fail, which is quite a different scenario entirely. If that's the case, then of course I agree with you, dkw and anybody else who took exception to what he wrote. 

I don't know about 'wanting to fail', as for one thing this can probably only really apply to strikers and possibly keepers but there have been a few players over the years that I recall recieved dogs abuse from the fans. Alan Dickens and Tony Cascarino being two that spring to mind. And I recall Mark Hughes getting a fair amount of abuse when he first arrived. I was at a pre-season game at Plymouth and he was warming up with the other subs during the match and there was all sorts being sung and shouted at him.

 

Torres hasn't really had any public abuse from our fans as far as I can remember, just online stick like in this thread which I imagine he doesn't read anyway.

 

My dad said that Peter Housman used to get a bit of stick. Nothing serious but a lot of grumbling as it was thought that he wasn't as good as most of his team mates.

 

None of this adds much to the debate, I'm just think-typing really.

So you are willing to see the club fail just because of a bitter little spat you have with one of the players?

Pathetic mate, just pathetic.

Of course not, I'd rather see us succeed without Torres than with Torres

Of course not, I'd rather see us succeed without Torres than with Torres

   toby

   toby

 

 

Is Toby a rude word now????

Is Toby a rude word now????

 

Toby jug "mug" 

Toby jug "mug" 

 

 

Doh!    Mea culpa!

The sooner he is gone and we can all move on the better

Of course not, I'd rather see us succeed without Torres than with Torres

 

And the bandwagon gets a it's latest recruit...

 

Supporting our own players is sooooo last year, insulting them and wishing for us to scucceed without them is in this season guys, get with the times!

In all honestly is rather see Torres go than Rafa that's how much I dislike the man. Don't rate him much as a player either, if he was just a poor player I could get behind him but his attitude stinks, his performances stink and the way the fans value him so highly stinks.

If Kalou or another of our ex maligned players put in the performances that Torres has in the last 23 months I dread to think of the abuse he would have got.

If a player puts on that blue shirt you support him end of story. For example if Torres wasn't on the pitch in the champions league final we would never have had the corner from which the Drog scored, So us winning that trophy we had a helping hand from Torres. And i'm sure when he scored that goal against Barca most of the Torres bashers were cheering - hypocrites!! so does this mean you fans who abuse him also boo when he scores?? JOKERS, Torres doesn't get abuse at games because they see the effort and hard work he puts in, Yes some times he looks pissed off but so would you if you made endless runs and not receive the ball, or be marked out the game by 3 defenders each week, so he has to drop deep and go out wide when he plays upfront on his own. he's been unlucky with the woodwork and keepers turning into superman when they play us this season. he's having a good season so far and i for one hope he continues.     

If a player puts on that blue shirt you support him end of story. For example if Torres wasn't on the pitch in the champions league final we would never have had the corner from which the Drog scored, So us winning that trophy we had a helping hand from Torres. And i'm sure when he scored that goal against Barca most of the Torres bashers were cheering - hypocrites!! so does this mean you fans who abuse him also boo when he scores?? JOKERS, Torres doesn't get abuse at games because they see the effort and hard work he puts in, Yes some times he looks pissed off but so would you if you made endless runs and not receive the ball, or be marked out the game by 3 defenders each week, so he has to drop deep and go out wide when he plays upfront on his own. he's been unlucky with the woodwork and keepers turning into superman when they play us this season. he's having a good season so far and i for one hope he continues.

I actually can't tell if this post is sarcastic. Could you make anymore excuses for him?

I support Torres at games as I would never boo a manager or a player but on the forum I'l be honest, I dislike Torres and the sooner he is out of the club the better I'll feel.

Edited December 14, 201213 yr by Hazard_a_guess?

I actually can't tell if this post is sarcastic. Could you make anyone excuses for him?

I support Torres at games as I would never boo a manager or a player but on the forum I'l be honest, I dislike Torres and the sooner he is out of the club the better I'll feel.

 

Boo hoo, you 'dislike' Torres.....