If he does go, them £90m is a joke. If Neymar is worth £200m, then we should be looking at 150m+

Just now, ivorycoast said:

The interview is from his father, that's pretty reliable.

But these tweets are snippets of an interview. We know how much they're taken out of context. Anyway, his father is not saying anything we didn't already know. We don't know how long ago the contract offer was he's talking about (there could be a new one put on the table again in near future) and unless eden absolutely wants to leave then I see no reason why the club would not put a better offer on the table. Some fans go into a tizzy about this sort of thing when all they see is a single tweet and not knowing what's going on behind the scenes. 

Just now, JM7 said:

I would rather lose him on a free and get another 2.5 years out of him than sell him. I doubt the club would agree as they could sell him for £200m. 

I would suspect madrid are monitoring other options than hazard. If you was real who would you rather take, eden, neymar or kane? I think if they were to spend big it would be on one of the latter two. They want a goalscorer and eden isn't that different than isco tbh. 

Just now, Zeta said:

Can hardly blame him if he goes. He's been carrying the team for years, if he doesn't play well, we don't play well. A club like Barcelona, Real madrid or City would surround him with much a much higher quality of squad and he'd have a real chance of winning the CL.

As good as hazard is, I'm gonna disagree he's been carrying us. My definition of "carrying" a team is Ronaldo or messi, or even kane. Hazard doesn't always have great games, but when he does we hype him for weeks forgetting about the poor games he has or times he goes missing.

We have been begging for him to score more goals, but he rarely impacts a game like that. Would I sell him? Absolutely not! I want us to build around him, but our fans often forget the unsung heroes who've won us games and helped us just as much as hazard. 

1 minute ago, enigma said:

As good as hazard is, I'm gonna disagree he's been carrying us. My definition of "carrying" a team is Ronaldo or messi, or even kane. Hazard doesn't always have great games, but when he does we hype him for weeks forgetting about the poor games he has or times he goes missing.

We have been begging for him to score more goals, but he rarely impacts a game like that. Would I sell him? Absolutely not! I want us to build around him, but our fans often forget the unsung heroes who've won us games and helped us just as much as hazard. 

You can carry a side without scoring every game. And Hazard rarely actually has bad games, even in 15/16 he was creating 2.4 chances a game.

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Edited December 29, 20178 yr by MANoWAR

I know Eden won't be here forever but it still hurts to hear about news like this.
Hope we get him and Thibaut a new contract quick and bring in some class players to show we mean business. 

More BS (maybe)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5220531/Eden-Hazard-refused-Chelsea-contract-claims-father.html

 

I would suggest the convenient leak by his father is to help contract talks progress in Eden's favour, be it a move or a much improved agreement. We have been reported to be wanting to extend his terms for over 12 months now with talks continually put back. Eden quite rightly is looking at all options, this contract will be the biggest in his career with him being at a prime age, money and security for his young family will be upmost in his mind along with a medal count once his playing days are over.

Question is, do our own ambitions match his? We as a club have stagnated on the transfer market in recent windows and signings with all due respect to their abilities of players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater and Bakayoko are hardly likely to enhance our Champions League credentials in Eden's eyes along with the players in the squad who have clearly regressed. In short getting him to sign on the dotted line might just mean we have to invest heavily  or face losing him to a club who firmly know were their ambitions lie. The next few months will tell us all just were our own ambitions now lie.

I would suggest the convenient leak by his father is to help contract talks progress in Eden's favour, be it a move or a much improved agreement. We have been reported to be wanting to extend his terms for over 12 months now with talks continually put back. Eden quite rightly is looking at all options, this contract will be the biggest in his career with him being at a prime age, money and security for his young family will be upmost in his mind along with a medal count once his playing days are over.
Question is, do our own ambitions match his? We as a club have stagnated on the transfer market in recent windows and signings with all due respect to their abilities of players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater and Bakayoko are hardly likely to enhance our Champions League credentials in Eden's eyes along with the players in the squad who have clearly regressed. In short getting him to sign on the dotted line might just mean we have to invest heavily  or face losing him to a club who firmly know were their ambitions lie. The next few months will tell us all just were our own ambitions now lie.

You are correct it seems the club has been dragging its feet for age's and his dad just decided new year is upon us let's get something moving either he stays or goes. If we do lose him it will be a massive lost an absolutely massive massive lost but we don't have the money anymore to compete we are now in that second tier behind city's, United psg, real, Barca, Bayern. This is the time we must tie up Antonio and back up if Hazard leaves

If Liverpool could hold onto Countinho with heavy Barca interest and huge offers, Sandro Juventus, even Van Dijk with Southampton, koulibaly Napoli, Belotti Torino... 

3 hours ago, enigma said:

As good as hazard is, I'm gonna disagree he's been carrying us. My definition of "carrying" a team is Ronaldo or messi, or even kane. Hazard doesn't always have great games, but when he does we hype him for weeks forgetting about the poor games he has or times he goes missing.

We have been begging for him to score more goals, but he rarely impacts a game like that. Would I sell him? Absolutely not! I want us to build around him, but our fans often forget the unsung heroes who've won us games and helped us just as much as hazard. 

Second half of 2014-15 was definitiely carrying. Last season Conte actually created a semblance of an offensive system so we were a bit less reliant on him. But the second half of 2014-15 was as big of a carrying job I've ever seen from a player that is not a striker/focal point of the attack. And 2013/14 as well

Edited December 29, 20178 yr by The Liquidator

Dybala please.

4 hours ago, Argo said:

You can carry a side without scoring every game. And Hazard rarely actually has bad games, even in 15/16 he was creating 2.4 chances a game.

yeah but when i think of carrying a team, i think of creating chances and scoring a myriad of goals to win games single handedly like a messi or ronaldo have done for years consistently. i mean you can also say costa "carried" us in games in previous title winning seasons, or willian "carried" us in that jose season with crucial goals. even this season alonso, azpi, morata have all been just as influential in offence as hazard has, probably more so if we're talking about match winning goals/games. i just think it's unfair to label us as a one man team and only hazard can win us games. i like to think we have a team of game winners from the back to the front, as our defenders can impact games just as much as our forward men can. 

2 hours ago, charierre said:

I would suggest the convenient leak by his father is to help contract talks progress in Eden's favour, be it a move or a much improved agreement. We have been reported to be wanting to extend his terms for over 12 months now with talks continually put back. Eden quite rightly is looking at all options, this contract will be the biggest in his career with him being at a prime age, money and security for his young family will be upmost in his mind along with a medal count once his playing days are over.

Question is, do our own ambitions match his? We as a club have stagnated on the transfer market in recent windows and signings with all due respect to their abilities of players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater and Bakayoko are hardly likely to enhance our Champions League credentials in Eden's eyes along with the players in the squad who have clearly regressed. In short getting him to sign on the dotted line might just mean we have to invest heavily  or face losing him to a club who firmly know were their ambitions lie. The next few months will tell us all just were our own ambitions now lie.

bakayoko came from a monaco side who won the league and went deep into the champions league, so don't think he should be mentioned in there. also unfair to mention drinkwater and zappa too as they've only just come also, and they were not bought to be first team players anyway. you can't have world class players as back ups, just doesn't happen like that. to be fair i would be interested to know who people think are "chelsea quality" because many clubs have first team and back up players who are not deemed world class as you need squad fillers. mahrez is a top class player and people want him here, but is he world class? opinions differ. the same for lemar and a few other talked about targets. is van dijk world class or just a very good cb? who really knows. the definition of "world class" is slightly vague.  

Edited December 29, 20178 yr by enigma

9 minutes ago, enigma said:

bakayoko came from a monaco side who won the league and went deep into the champions league, so don't think he should be mentioned in there. also unfair to mention drinkwater and zappa too as they've only just come also, and they were not bought to be first team players anyway. you can't have world class players as back ups, just doesn't happen like that. to be fair i would be interested to know who people think are "chelsea quality" because many clubs have first team and back up players who are not deemed world class as you need squad fillers. mahrez is a top class player and people want him here, but is he world class? opinions differ. the same for lemar and a few other talked about targets. is van dijk world class or just a very good cb? who really knows. the definition of "world class" is slightly vague.  

so will they make the difference and take us to the next level?

Honest question, who's hoarding all our money? If Liverpool can buy Naby Keita and Van Dijk for £75m in each in the space of 2 windows after winning nothing significant for over a decade, where is all our money? 

27 minutes ago, enigma said:

bakayoko came from a monaco side who won the league and went deep into the champions league, so don't think he should be mentioned in there. also unfair to mention drinkwater and zappa too as they've only just come also, and they were not bought to be first team players anyway. you can't have world class players as back ups, just doesn't happen like that. to be fair i would be interested to know who people think are "chelsea quality" because many clubs have first team and back up players who are not deemed world class as you need squad fillers. mahrez is a top class player and people want him here, but is he world class? opinions differ. the same for lemar and a few other talked about targets. is van dijk world class or just a very good cb? who really knows. the definition of "world class" is slightly vague.  

Stop deluding yourself if you think players like Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta will make us perennial UCL contenders again. The teams that are serious about the UCL aren't signing players like that.

20 minutes ago, TomCFC85 said:

Honest question, who's hoarding all our money? If Liverpool can buy Naby Keita and Van Dijk for £75m in each in the space of 2 windows after winning nothing significant for over a decade, where is all our money? 

It's buried in a big new stadium shaped hole.

4 minutes ago, The Liquidator said:

Stop deluding yourself if you think players like Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta will make us perennial UCL contenders again. The teams that are serious about the UCL aren't signing players like that.

City are starting Fabian Delph at left back. You need squad players. They are signing players like that along with big money signings. Anecdotally, do you know who Real Madrid signed in the summer? Barcelona bought Paulinho etc etc.

Edited December 29, 20178 yr by Stim

The time is approaching when the board need to decide whether they want to show real ambition of winning the CL again and becoming a top side, or if they want to do an Arsenal and focus on the stadium. The likes of City can continue to spend spend spend, because they already have their new stadium and basically unlimited money and no consequences for spending it, if we want to catch up, we will need to fork out the money for top players, instead of relying on people like Alonso, Zappacosta, Drinkwater, etc... and hoping they improve.

If it's the latter, then hopefully we can use that period to bring some of the youth through, if the board is happy for the manager to not win anything for a few years, without firing him.

1 hour ago, The Liquidator said:

Stop deluding yourself if you think players like Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta will make us perennial UCL contenders again. The teams that are serious about the UCL aren't signing players like that.

two of those players aren't first team players. bakayoko is being harshly judged and disregarded when he's only been at the club a few months. also the champions league is a difficult competition to win at the best of times, so no i don't have us as favourites in the compeition, but on our day we will give anybody a tough game. it's all about on the day. apart from psg and maybe city, which teams have really added serious strength to their side which would make them serious favourites vs us over two legs? like i said, when we're playing on top form we're a match for most top sides. 

2 hours ago, enigma said:

yeah but when i think of carrying a team, i think of creating chances and scoring a myriad of goals to win games single handedly like a messi or ronaldo have done for years consistently. i mean you can also say costa "carried" us in games in previous title winning seasons, or willian "carried" us in that jose season with crucial goals. even this season alonso, azpi, morata have all been just as influential in offence as hazard has, probably more so if we're talking about match winning goals/games. i just think it's unfair to label us as a one man team and only hazard can win us games. i like to think we have a team of game winners from the back to the front, as our defenders can impact games just as much as our forward men can. 

We always look better when Hazard comes back into the team after an absence.

I get what you are saying about the others yet they are doing this collectively and not every match whereas Hazard is offering himself and upping the tempo every match to get us the win.

I think to keep him we will need to make another world class signing and hopefully that will be Sandro and he delivers too. 

If he does go I think the board will work hard to get us a decent replacement as they are in the business, if not making money then definitely not losing money.

Well if he does go has been a pleasure watching him play for us.

What do we think a double deal with real for him and tibo at 250 mill for the pair?

Had a dream last night that Hazard was being presented with some sort of award for all his contributions to Chelsea, and he broke down crying because he knew he was going to be leaving soon.

Dreams never lie. He's off.