I think Willians performances last season are a tad exaggerated tbh, they were decent performances but because everyone else was so poor it's been made out that he was some sort of flying winger firing on all cylinders.



 

I know what pedro offers, but for me they are very different players and I personally struggle to say one is definitively better than the other- it really depends on what the team requires.

with two midfield players who stay behind the ball, and with the other player behind costa (hazard) naturally preferring to take the ball to feet rather than make runs behind the defence, there is more of a call for a player like pedro than willian in this team. this team plays with five players either side of the ball when we're in possession and of the five attackers you could argue that pedro is the player who is the most penetrative in his running. in our squad, of all the forwards willian is the least and to get back into the side it is probably something he will have improve (as hazard has).

but I don't think saying pedro has more goals and assists at this point proves anything in a comparison. they're different sorts of players and playing in different teams.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2016/11/30/13787126/we-need-to-talk-about-pedro

This is a great read

I'm getting pretty sick of people/media talking about players being "out of form" or that they're time at a club was poor and they "flopped" when they are confined to the bench the whole time.

As an example, I don't consider Falcao a Chelsea flop nor was he out of form.  The guy simply never played and when he did it was for 5 minutes.   I'm not saying give them 10+11 games to figure it out, 3-5 in a row is probably a good indicator of form, but also of their role in the team.

Pedro always had quality but he's never had a run, thus players don't know where he's good and what he can do.  He had a decent go when he first got here but the whole team struggled.  I would say when Willians form was exceptional it was actually telling for the opposite reason.  It' a team game, and players need to link together to create chances.  Willian was playing well without much support.  Very hard to do when you're in the dumps.

Last season I was underwhelmed with him.

This season, I'm over the moon with how he's performing.

On 11/29/2016 at 16:11, ForeverCarefree said:

So apparently Pedro already has more open play goals and assists in 6 starts than Willian had in 38 games last season.

Think that says as much about Willian's influence from open play as it does about how good Pedro has been so far this season. 

Willian was very good last season but just how good was exaggerated a bit due to how bad the rest were, he was still heavily frustrating a lot of the time in the final 3rd.

On 11/29/2016 at 16:31, ForeverCarefree said:

I won't regurgitate what I've said many times before but I've never known an attacking player, Willian, to be so highly rated considering how few goals and assists he gets from open play.

Scored a few free kicks last season, couple of them a bit jammy and it slightly boosted his numbers. Take away the set pieces and he's numbers are again average for a player who spends so much time in the final third.

Pedro can be a bit rash with his play, sometimes resembles a dog chasing a tennis ball, trying to do everything at 100 miles per hour but he's directness is a huge assist, it drives us forward rather than slow us down and he always seems to have a goal in him.

Willian works hard etc but he doesn't have the ruthlessness and self confidence in his ability to consistently be an attacking asset. 

He is a highly technical player who works hard for the team and away from the final 3rd his decision making isn't too bad, but yeah in the final 3rd lets not go there.

Pedro has been nominated for PL Player of the Month & Goal of the Month. Very well deserved. 

That goal against Spurs is pure filth. That Cruyff turn was great but to immediately follow it up with such a good finish was just showing off. 

Pedro has won the November Goal of the Month for his strike against spurs. 

I'm sure he got bonus points for it being against the sh*t from the lane. 

21 hours ago, pacquiao said:

Pedro has won the November Goal of the Month for his strike against spurs. 

Brilliant strike! Congratulations to Pedro.

 

Great performance from Pedro that's now 5 goals and 5 assists, half way to reaching double figures in goals and assists this season, as I always said he is such a quality player.

Going back reading previous pages in here is so funny as well

4 hours ago, pacquiao said:

Great performance from Pedro that's now 5 goals and 5 assists, half way to reaching double figures in goals and assists this season, as I always said he is such a quality player.

Going back reading previous pages in here is so funny as well

I think he is quality when we play with pace. The last few games before the Bournemouth game, we weren't playing with as much pace and Pedro's performances dipped a bit. Yesterday he was great though and i think it's because of the pace we played at.

was not to sure about him at first but you can see now which football academy he comes from

Poor man's Cuadrado imo

Besides, any goal against Tottenham is goal of the month really!

Pedro showing the clear difference between him and Willian. When a team sits back Willian can't offer anything because he lacks creativity. Pedro can score out of nothing like yesterday and Spurs which is sometimes vital when a team has 10 men behind the ball, that early goal was vital as it meant Bournemouth had to come out.

This is when Willian is good because admittedly his pace works well for counter attacks and for transition from defence to attack then allowing to lay the ball off to more creative players.

10 men behind the ball and Ivan gives more going forward than Willian.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

Pedro showing the clear difference between him and Willian. When a team sits back Willian can't offer anything because he lacks creativity. Pedro can score out of nothing like yesterday and Spurs which is sometimes vital when a team has 10 men behind the ball, that early goal was vital as it meant Bournemouth had to come out.

This is when Willian is good because admittedly his pace works well for counter attacks and for transition from defence to attack then allowing to lay the ball off to more creative players.

10 men behind the ball and Ivan gives more going forward than Willian.

 

a good candidate for wingback position.. a lil bit of tuning up tactically in that role would do good for the team..  work rate, pace , intensity are pretty good, he's too good to sit on the bench in that sense..

 

As for pedro, I think he will be even more useful once he's settled, to be more composed.. At the moment as if sometimes he's too eager to impress that kind of messing up his game..

One thing I like about Pedro is that his finishing is very good, and he can basically score from supposed nothing chances. 

6 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Pedro showing the clear difference between him and Willian. When a team sits back Willian can't offer anything because he lacks creativity. Pedro can score out of nothing like yesterday and Spurs which is sometimes vital when a team has 10 men behind the ball, that early goal was vital as it meant Bournemouth had to come out.

This is when Willian is good because admittedly his pace works well for counter attacks and for transition from defence to attack then allowing to lay the ball off to more creative players.

10 men behind the ball and Ivan gives more going forward than Willian.

Well Willian did something similar against Hull. All they did is sit back and it took a moment of magic from Willian to give us the lead. But, yeah I do agree about the benefits of Pedro.

On ?27?/?12?/?2016 at 13:13, Ernie_blue said:

Pedro showing the clear difference between him and Willian. When a team sits back Willian can't offer anything because he lacks creativity. Pedro can score out of nothing like yesterday and Spurs which is sometimes vital when a team has 10 men behind the ball, that early goal was vital as it meant Bournemouth had to come out.

This is when Willian is good because admittedly his pace works well for counter attacks and for transition from defence to attack then allowing to lay the ball off to more creative players.

10 men behind the ball and Ivan gives more going forward than Willian.

You were saying :D

 

Just now, STATS said:

You were saying :D

 

1 game ;)

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

1 game ;)

He has scored a few this season. Twice this game when we have been level, also got the opener against Hull. How is that one game?

3 minutes ago, STATS said:

He has scored a few this season. Twice this game when we have been level, also got the opener against Hull. How is that one game?

2 games then. His overall play still lacks creativity, killer passes and good crosses, just because he scores in a game here or there doesn't change my opinion of him.

 

Just now, Ernie_blue said:

2 games then. His overall play still lacks creativity, killer passes and good crosses, just because he scores in a game here or there doesn't change my opinion of him.

 

That is fine. Your point that Pedro can create something out of nothing that Willian cannot do, I disagree totally. Last season he was our saviour in grace several times and this season, remember his mother passed as well which I think affected him in terms of getting best out of him, is still scoring goals. People are way too knee-jerk on here.

Just now, STATS said:

That is fine. Your point that Pedro can create something out of nothing that Willian cannot do, I disagree totally. Last season he was our saviour in grace several times and this season, remember his mother passed as well which I think affected him in terms of getting best out of him, is still scoring goals. People are way too knee-jerk on here.

Sorry but I have never been knee-jerk. I have never rated Willian that highly and that's just my opinion. I don't think he was even that good last year, a few free kicks made it look good and he was the best of a s*** bunch even with a terrible second half of the season.

my point is when a team have 11 men behind the ball there is more chance Pedro will create an assist or goal than Willian. 

I would prefer Chelsea to sign a world class player to play on the right wing full stop.