7 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Yes, in his prime, of course pedro is far better, my point was salah today has at least as much impact as pedro of today, we had salah who left and did well at both clubs he went to, he did well for basel before us, Liverpool just smashed the club record on him so the bigger point, spending triple on pedro or thereabouts when we had a younger faster player that does a similar job, it may have been an idea to give him a shot, whacky I know, I do t kind selling players but I think we could at least give the players we buy more of a shot, bats is a great example, under Jose he would be sold already and be worth 75 mil in 2 years. If revisit this at the mid way point in the season I think people will start taking about regretting the sale of Salah or at least regret not giving him a few games. 

We'll need to agree to disagree, do you remember how bad Salah actually was in a Chelsea shirt? Next you'll be telling me we should regret the selling of Cuadrado...

 

It wouldn't be the first time Liverpool spunked a load of money on poor footballers, they've done it quite a lot in recent history.

 

Salah was a very limited footballer, the premier league is a hell of a lot different to Serie A, let's see how he does but I wouldn't take him over Pedro even now.

12 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Go to the start of this thread when no one wanted him I was an advocate for pedro, no woman that's one point and another is skiing a similar type of player too early buying pedro instead and 2 years later liverpools club record is broke on him, no problem selling players either, just think some players need a bit more of a chance 

 

He could have done with more of a chance but in the minutes he did play for us he did look quite out of his depth, he didn't seem to be able to offer anything apart from pace. No doubt he's a good player but that's all he'll ever be IMO

 

He did well in Italy and scored quite a few goals for Roma but so did Gervinho and Cuardrado. Let Liverpool have him

7 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

We'll need to agree to disagree, do you remember how bad Salah actually was in a Chelsea shirt? Next you'll be telling me we should regret the selling of Cuadrado...

 

It wouldn't be the first time Liverpool spunked a load of money on poor footballers, they've done it quite a lot in recent history.

 

Salah was a very limited footballer, the premier league is a hell of a lot different to Serie A, let's see how he does but I wouldn't take him over Pedro even now.

Well no I think cuadrado got more of a chance and he just wasn't good for this league, let's see how good salah is for the league this season, like I said it's something that can be revisited, did we see enough of him to say he was terrible in a Chelsea shirt, for me I don't think so. Anyway let's see how he does this season. I said sign pedro he will do well, he had a bad first season too, then look last season, I said luiz will do well  when he was ridiculed, now I'm inclined to say salah with mane will devestate teams this season... let's see. 

Both Salah and Cuadrado were utter sh*te. What's the argument about? :)

Salah may well do a good job but we were right to punt him when we did as we was utter mince for us when he did play.

 

Salah in the goals again, 20 least season, scored in both pre season games for Liverpool, we could honestly use an option like him at the moment 

20 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Salah in the goals again, 20 least season, scored in both pre season games for Liverpool, we could honestly use an option like him at the moment 

I'd much rather have Musonda or Boga as our 4th choice winger, in order to allow them to develop under Conte.

Salah would be a massive step down from Willian and even Pedro, his overall game and contribution to the team just isn't on the same level.

Having said that I do think he is going to get a hatfull of goals this season and will likely outscore both due to each teams style of play. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

I'd much rather have Musonda or Boga as our 4th choice winger, in order to allow them to develop under Conte.

Salah would be a massive step down from Willian and even Pedro, his overall game and contribution to the team just isn't on the same level.

Having said that I do think he is going to get a hatfull of goals this season and will likely outscore both due to each teams style of play. 

 

 

Yea I think willy and pedro are far more technical and higher quality players but he gets in the goals and causes problems it's a good type of option 

Pedro being sent home after bad concussion. That frankly was a ridiculous challenge by Ospina, I would reckon that if that incident was rerun 100 times a very high proportion of times it would result in injury. These are type of challenges that should be cited for disciplinary action,even if it's only a friendly.

 

Hope its nothing serious. With Hazard already out, we literally are down to Boga and Musonda for the inside forward positions. Can see us starting the season with 3-4-1-2. Willian in the whole and both Morata and Bats starting.

Disgusting challenge by Ospina in a friendly no less. I mean wtf? I understand derbies and what not being heated is fine but that challenge was downright assault. He went in fist first at head height

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Disgusting challenge by Ospina in a friendly no less. I mean wtf? I understand derbies and what not being heated is fine but that challenge was downright assault. He went in fist first at head height

 

 

have watched it again 3 or 4 times now and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the challenge, if that's a foul then alonso's is a foul on belarin last season, which left him concussed as well. The ball was there to be won and Ospina did his job. In contact sport sh!t can go wrong, it doesn't mean it's intentional and it doesn't mean it's a foul. Let's put in another way, if he hadn't have gone for the ball he should have been subbed straight away for not doing his job.

 

If it had been outside the box then i can 100% go along with you, he has no right jumping but even in slow mo you can't quite see where it is. He leaped to punch the ball, he does not change the angle of his body mid air, he does not shoot out a leg, he has one goal in mind and that is to get the ball, and i agree with the ref that the fould should actually go against pedro (although without mallice as he made no contact with the ball but took the man) 

 

And if you really think it's a foul i'd honestly question how much contact sport you have actually played 

2 hours ago, barak81 said:

 

 

have watched it again 3 or 4 times now and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the challenge, if that's a foul then alonso's is a foul on belarin last season, which left him concussed as well. The ball was there to be won and Ospina did his job. In contact sport sh!t can go wrong, it doesn't mean it's intentional and it doesn't mean it's a foul. Let's put in another way, if he hadn't have gone for the ball he should have been subbed straight away for not doing his job.

 

If it had been outside the box then i can 100% go along with you, he has no right jumping but even in slow mo you can't quite see where it is. He leaped to punch the ball, he does not change the angle of his body mid air, he does not shoot out a leg, he has one goal in mind and that is to get the ball, and i agree with the ref that the fould should actually go against pedro (although without mallice as he made no contact with the ball but took the man) 

 

And if you really think it's a foul i'd honestly question how much contact sport you have actually played 

Who said anything about a foul? Contact sport is contact sport, it was a friendly, you don't have to be so gung ho about it. It was a poor attempt nonetheless, first off he should not lead with his fist if his starting position was lower than Pedro. All he had to do really was go in and then punched the ball. 

 

Ospina led fist first and from a starting position lower than pedro's, he didn't even jump upwards, he jumped forward as if trying to keep a volleyball from touching the ground. It was poor all around and he sent Pedro to a hospital for a meaningless preseason friendly game. 

The Alonso goal was fair, Bellerin and Alonso went in together and clashed, their momentum was the only difference and Alonso jumped higher leading to the clash.

Complete arsehole and should be disciplined, meanwhile Arsenal fans on face book " nuffink wrong mayte 50/50 mayte aye aye mayte " piss off with that faux cockney north London twang you sausages.  

51 minutes ago, Deino said:

Who said anything about a foul? Contact sport is contact sport, it was a friendly, you don't have to be so gung ho about it. It was a poor attempt nonetheless, first off he should not lead with his fist if his starting position was lower than Pedro. All he had to do really was go in and then punched the ball. 

 

Ospina led fist first and from a starting position lower than pedro's, he didn't even jump upwards, he jumped forward as if trying to keep a volleyball from touching the ground. It was poor all around and he sent Pedro to a hospital for a meaningless preseason friendly game. 

The Alonso goal was fair, Bellerin and Alonso went in together and clashed, their momentum was the only difference and Alonso jumped higher leading to the clash.

Goal keepers are aloud to lead with there hands. He did nothing wrong. it's OK to back you're club a bit but lets not be Liverpool fans here... we all went nuts when Drogba got sent of against Barca... it can't be one rule of us and quite another for everyone else 

 @Deino I'm not sure what a video of Neuer KO'sing Higuaine has to do with anything. At every level of coaching a Goalkeeper from the earliest age will told to come, and when they come to do two things. Make sure they get the ball and clear everyone out in the process if needs be. 

2 minutes ago, barak81 said:

Goal keepers are aloud to lead with there hands. He did nothing wrong. it's OK to back you're club a bit but lets not be Liverpool fans here... we all went nuts when Drogba got sent of against Barca... it can't be one rule of us and quite another for everyone else 

In the context of football, it was poor technique and for that Ospina deserves to be warming the bench behind Cech. 

4 minutes ago, barak81 said:

 @Deino I'm not sure what a video of Neuer KO'sing Higuaine has to do with anything. At every level of coaching a Goalkeeper from the earliest age will told to come, and when they come to do two things. Make sure they get the ball and clear everyone out in the process if needs be. 

That video wasn't to show Neuer ko-ing Higuain. It was to show proper technique. You come in first then punch the ball, not running around/jumping with your fist first. You estimate the flight of the ball, get into position then deliver judgment accordingly. That's the basics of goalkeeping aerial balls.

What Ospina did was poor technique. 

Edited July 23, 20178 yr by Deino

4 hours ago, Deino said:

In the context of football, it was poor technique and for that Ospina deserves to be warming the bench behind Cech. 

What he did was with in the rules of the game , the ball came flatter then the example you have which still resulted in a KO

 

Hope Osprina plays in the community shield game...our defenders can say hello on the first corner...it is a contact sport after all 

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

 

One thing seem's certain with Chelsea players these days, there will always be somebody wearing a face mask at some point in the season.

 

I thought the challenge on him by Ospina was highly reckless by the way. The way he charged in for the ball like that showed a complete lack of care for the player he was inevitably going to collide with, just like with Oscar. It wasn't even a competitive game either.

23 hours ago, barak81 said:

What he did was with in the rules of the game , the ball came flatter then the example you have which still resulted in a KO

Higuain didn't end up in a hospital. It's within the rules of the game but it sets a very poor example of goalkeeping, imagine a kid doing that to his friend on a meaningless kickabout in the evening. I'm just glad nothing too serious came about it.

Proper technique is important in any sport as it protects not only the user but anyone else involved from injuries.  Poor and reckless execution of technique is dangerous at higher levels because you can actually end a person's career and livelihood.

Edited July 24, 20178 yr by Deino

Personally I think the Hugain tackle was reckless by Neuer and endangered another player... Neuer should have seen red in the same way Schumacher should have been sent off in 1982...in the case of Osprina there was no need to do what he did in a friendly...he clearly knew that he was going to take Pedro but he still carried on...and the ref to give a foul against Pedro is a joke...that being said we all know how players don't forget incidents like that and so I wouldn't be surprised if the community shield carries a little more needle than normal...I'd issue Osprina with a tin hat...btw has anyone read about any get well messages sent from Wenger or any of the Arsenal team to Pedro?  

Edited July 24, 20178 yr by doctorblue

Tbh I saw it as equal to someone jumping into a 2 footed tackle but winning the ball. I appreciate goalkeepers play by slightly different rules, but he had no control over his body, and it was reckless. With the amount of protection keepers get nowadays, it has to be a 2 way thing, especially when he is jumping into a challenge head height with his fists.