57 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Yeah but City was on it. But Sanchez was too greedy. And when you get all you want, of course you won`t cry for 1 player, when your board have done everything they can, but the other side just want ridiculous money. And let`s not forget how much infront in points City was.

And to make him happy they buy him a new CB for 57+m. they broke their record for him.

They spend more then 400m. for 2 season and do everything they could to bring the players he want. Even when he fu***** with some transfers like Claudio, Nolito and the very bad first season of John Stone. They still back him up fully. They would have buy him Neymar or Messi if they was available.

You can`t f**** compare what is in City and what is in with us.

Did you read anywhere in the press last season, that Guardiola job is not safe? That they will sack him ?

The difference between City and Chelsea is City wanted Pep a long time before they got him, they brought players he wanted before he joined, probably made promises regarding transfers and both parties knew it was a long term plan. Conte knew what he was getting into, spoke to people like Carlo and it's common knowledge how Chelsea is run. Even in his first season there was rumours Conte was leaving, he never signed an extension, Chelsea will never spend 400m on a manager who doesn't commit.

Probably because he can`t say a word? What he could say? He failed hard, when he get what he want. Even Earnie said they brough us player he wanted even before he went to them.

Last season he get the players he want. Some of them like Bravo, Nolito and Stone failed hard, what he can say ? He get what he want, why should he complain?

And he said it many times that the team need reinforcment for his style of play. And they spend that type of money, because they needed.

 Ernie_blue, i doubt he or anyone expected that. Let`s not forget we was in terrible situation. We was not in position to lure top manager and top players. Conte come took this team from 10 place(10 place with 2 different manager, so you can`t blame only Jose for that), took a team that most people said this is a broken team, most player are washed out and make that team Champion with record breaking streak of win.

Sorry but of the three Conte deserved the most to get what he want. And he get nothing of that and it`s f**** normal he is pissed hard.

And if the board didn`t want to give him what they want, why they didn`t just release him in the summer. He was not the guy for their lets say "project". Why didn`t they just release him in the summer?

Let me tell you why, because all of the fans would be mad at them.

I can root old threads and show you what most people here typed after we win the title.

We get a young manager with great style, who shows he is good enough, even more one of the best, just give him what he want in the summer, he deserve it.

That was the trend back then. Now it`s completely opposite it`s his fault ....

I`m waiting for the next one, it will be Enrique and i will be waiting to see your post next year. But i`m pretty sure most of you will want him sacked too and he will be guilty once again.

If Conte was not take the team last year, i`m not sure if we would have been in top 4, forget a title. No one believe we could have won the title with that squad.

For that i will be always thankful to Conte and will never said a bad word about him. Whatever the results are.

You should look close eye on his career. I`m pretty sure this guy will win everything in football in the next few years.

Just like it happen with Jose Mourinho when he sacked him the first time. He goes to Inter and won treble.

Back then we made huge mistake sacked a manager who was in his prime and have that winning mentality and passion for winning. Right now we do the same mistake. But we did that in the summer. From then on he was gone. You can`t expect him to see 100% of him.

There is a lot of articles out there saying he and board is at war, and thats because Emanalo leave, he was between Conte and Marina and could not take it anymore. Conte feels the club didn’t put enough into signing his top transfer targets, while it has also been claimed the former Italy boss has no say in who the club signs. Also he is annoyed with Chelsea’s transfer chiefs for not keeping up with Manchester City and Manchester United’s spending.

That was for me i`m done it for now. I have to study and stop wasting my time here.

We will see who is right or wrong, next year.

 

Edited February 7, 20188 yr by brakeit

2 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

So competitions only matter when you say they do, is that right? I take notice of every Chelsea game in every competition, and every competition matters.  Some mor ethan others, obviously, but to say you only take notice at the sexy stages is just w**k, in my opinion.

You took it the wrong way, i watch and take notice of every Chelsea game. What I was trying to say is a lot depends on the luck of the draw as Chelsea clearly would be out now if they played anyone half decent and at the business end of the domestic cups is when you play the bigger teams and the judgement comes in. Conte has lost 2 out of 2 so far. Only Arsenal would get Lincoln and Sutton on their route to the semi-final but that wouldnt make me go wow they got to a semi final, Arsenal had been picking their own draws for 3 years.

5 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Only Arsenal would get Lincoln and Sutton on their route to the semi-final but that wouldnt make me go wow they got to a semi final, Arsenal had been picking their own draws for 3 years.

And winning the big games that matter. More than what can be said about us of late. The Fa Cup takes on extra significance this year due to our league form and tough Champions League draw. Hull at home with a Fa Cup Quarter Final at stake. Hopefully then we can restore some pride and knockout a big hitter or two out on the way to the title. 

8 minutes ago, Famous CFC said:

And winning the big games that matter. More than what can be said about us of late. The Fa Cup takes on extra significance this year due to our league form and tough Champions League draw. Hull at home with a Fa Cup Quarter Final at stake. Hopefully then we can restore some pride and knockout a big hitter or two out on the way to the title. 

For the club I would say staying in the top 4 is what they want most and at the moment it looks a massive worry. 

22 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

For the club I would say staying in the top 4 is what they want most and at the moment it looks a massive worry. 

There are six clubs who all want to be in the top 4 (or have a realistic chance) every season so two of those are going to be disappointed. If our Board want top 4 THAT much, they need to back the coach more to help ensure it. Changing the coach now would hinder our chances of a top 4 place more than help it IMO.

Edited February 7, 20188 yr by Nibs

22 minutes ago, Nibs said:

There are six clubs who all want to be in the top 4 (or have a realistic chance) every season so two of those are going to be disappointed. If our Board want top 4 THAT much, they need to back the coach more to help ensure it. Changing the coach now would hinder our chances of a top 4 place more than help it IMO.

I would say changing manager now improves Chelsea's chances, a new manager brings fresh ideas, improves morale and get players fighting for their place. It all depends on whether Conte is willing to change but it has taken a months worth of damage to get this far, I still don't see how Conte leaving at the end of the season has a positive effect on the squad.

If Chelsea don't get 3 points against West Brom it will be a big worry, the only thing that can soften the blow is an Arsenal and Spurs draw.

 

32 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I would say changing manager now improves Chelsea's chances, a new manager brings fresh ideas, improves morale and get players fighting for their place. It all depends on whether Conte is willing to change but it has taken a months worth of damage to get this far, I still don't see how Conte leaving at the end of the season has a positive effect on the squad.

If Chelsea don't get 3 points against West Brom it will be a big worry, the only thing that can soften the blow is an Arsenal and Spurs draw.

 

Of course you would, as you are clearly in the "Conte should go" camp just as I am in the camp who still think he's the best man for the job.

I know there are many examples of a new man coming in and giving sides a lift, but that is often because they are replacing poor coaches with better. I honestly don't see better out there and available and it would be a case of "change for changes sake".

7 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Of course you would, as you are clearly in the "Conte should go" camp just as I am in the camp who still think he's the best man for the job.

I know there are many examples of a new man coming in and giving sides a lift, but that is often because they are replacing poor coaches with better. I honestly don't see better out there and available and it would be a case of "change for changes sake".

But does the man want to be here Nibs? Truly do you think he does?

That for me is the biggest issue. 

1 minute ago, Nibs said:

Of course you would, as you are clearly in the "Conte should go" camp just as I am in the camp who still think he's the best man for the job.

I know there are many examples of a new man coming in and giving sides a lift, but that is often because they are replacing poor coaches with better. I honestly don't see better out there and available and it would be a case of "change for changes sake".

The main reason I would like Conte to leave is because I don't believe he actually wants to be at Chelsea and will be leaving at the end of the season. Conte himself has put a lot of negativity into this squad, moaning about signings which must make them feel great, falling out with players, wrong tactics, wrong subs, being very stubborn and the football has been dire. Like I said before I just don't see how the worst kept secret in football has a positive effect on a group of players.

All season it feels like Conte has been covering his own backside when in fact he has done a lot wrong, he is just waiting to be sacked, get his payoff and then say it was nothing to do with me. His been bringing previous managers up just to give everyone a little reminder of the past, his not stupid.

Now if there was a plan and Conte was here for the long term I would like him to stay. There has been nothing to indicate he is here for the long term, doesn't sign an extension and is baiting the board to sack him. People can bang on about signings all they like but the squad is still good enough for top 4 where Conte has got them, that doesn't excuse the awful football Chelssa are playing. Watford played well Monday with 11 players out, where was there excuses?

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

You took it the wrong way, i watch and take notice of every Chelsea game. What I was trying to say is a lot depends on the luck of the draw as Chelsea clearly would be out now if they played anyone half decent and at the business end of the domestic cups is when you play the bigger teams and the judgement comes in. Conte has lost 2 out of 2 so far. Only Arsenal would get Lincoln and Sutton on their route to the semi-final but that wouldnt make me go wow they got to a semi final, Arsenal had been picking their own draws for 3 years.

Fair enough

There are Chelsea fans who will die this season, or before the next one. That's just the nature of things. Some will be old and will have seen many seasons past, some will die before their time unfortunately. Their last season of following Chelsea will have been one in which the manager sulked throughout. That's not okay. That's not okay for them, that's not okay for people who spend their hard-earned following Chelsea. I don't mind a bad season, I don't mind a terrible season, I do mind the manager sulking like a child throughout the campaign. Somebody needs to give him a slap, or even better the sack. Mind you, that would just be giving him what he wants. What does he have to complain about? Not an awful lot, from my vantage point. Yes he may have wanted certain players but that applies to all football managers. His behaviour is inexcusable in my book, and all on a cool 9 million a year. He doesn't know how lucky he is, ungrateful brat. He's managing the greatest club in the world. Jesus how it makes me angry.

7 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's an interesting point.

My corporate experience is that in Italian culture common sense bows to the whim of the senior guy in the room. What he says goes .. even if he is clearly wrong, unethical or illegal, the rest just go along with it ...

I only ever dealt with one Italian guy out of about thirty who wasn't a yes man ... and he was probably the one who made the least career progress despite being probably the most talented.

All thirty were very nice people though !

Where IS our resident self-appointed Racism Policeman when you need him?  

I keep hearing this "he doesn't want to be here", yet I heard an interview within the last couple of weeks with my very own ears where I heard him clearly state he intends to honour his contract which still has 18 months to run.

Not saying he's been perfect and he has got things wrong but I still don't see a better man out there as long as he is backed and given the tools to do the job. The list of names of replacement we are being linked with, the candidates are frankly laughable (with the exception of Simeone) and would be a definite downgrade.

5 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

There are Chelsea fans who will die this season, or before the next one. That's just the nature of things. Some will be old and will have seen many seasons past, some will die before their time unfortunately. Their last season of following Chelsea will have been one in which the manager sulked throughout. That's not okay. That's not okay for them, that's not okay for people who spend their hard-earned following Chelsea. I don't mind a bad season, I don't mind a terrible season, I do mind the manager sulking like a child throughout the campaign. Somebody needs to give him a slap, or even better the sack. Mind you, that would just be giving him what he wants. What does he have to complain about? Not an awful lot, from my vantage point. Yes he may have wanted certain players but that applies to all football managers. His behaviour is inexcusable in my book, and all on a cool 9 million a year. He doesn't know how lucky he is, ungrateful brat. He's managing the greatest club in the world. Jesus how it makes me angry.

Oh Davey, you do make I larf sometimes.  Yes, for a month or so, Conte has been a whiney bitch with a face like Les Dawson's arse, but prior to that he wasn't that bad, all giggling and simpering and jumping up and down like a teenage boy who has just seen his first boob. (You know, like you were a couple of weeks ago when that pensioner woman lifted her vest on the tube (yeah, I WAS there))

4 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

There are Chelsea fans who will die this season, or before the next one. That's just the nature of things. Some will be old and will have seen many seasons past, some will die before their time unfortunately. Their last season of following Chelsea will have been one in which the manager sulked throughout. That's not okay. That's not okay for them, that's not okay for people who spend their hard-earned following Chelsea. I don't mind a bad season, I don't mind a terrible season, I do mind the manager sulking like a child throughout the campaign. Somebody needs to give him a slap, or even better the sack. Mind you, that would just be giving him what he wants. What does he have to complain about? Not an awful lot, from my vantage point. Yes he may have wanted certain players but that applies to all football managers. His behaviour is inexcusable in my book, and all on a cool 9 million a year. He doesn't know how lucky he is, ungrateful brat. He's managing the greatest club in the world. Jesus how it makes me angry.

I'm sure we could get you Phil Brown in Davey for a fraction of the cost. That might make you less angry but it might also result in more untimely deaths.

What is it about our club that invites this every time?

 

Have we been our own worst enemy? Every time, we get a new manager, and it usually starts well. We win something, we're all happy...then from nowhere...the players stop playing, and the managers start losing their cool.

 

Why are our players so quick to down tools? Why is it so toxic. Is it merely the players being so aware of Chelsea's managerial history, that they know any grievances they have, whether small or large, can be very easily turned into an impossibly fractious relationship with the manager? They must know the club will always replace the manager before weeding out the problems in the team, because in the end, it's probably cheaper that way.

 

I'm sick of the volatility. I just want a manager who is able to maintain control over a bunch of 'professionals' for more than a year or two. I don't want us to win every year, I just want the same effort and commitment to success for longer than a year.

27 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I keep hearing this "he doesn't want to be here", yet I heard an interview within the last couple of weeks with my very own ears where I heard him clearly state he intends to honour his contract which still has 18 months to run.

Not saying he's been perfect and he has got things wrong but I still don't see a better man out there as long as he is backed and given the tools to do the job. The list of names of replacement we are being linked with, the candidates are frankly laughable (with the exception of Simeone) and would be a definite downgrade.

Well, he obviously has to say that when asked, but yet he's sulking constantly on the sidelines and telling him how hard his job is and the player he has aren't good enough. 

3 hours ago, brakeit said:

Same old same old stuff he (or she or it) always says

That was for me i`m done it for now. I have to study and stop wasting my time here.

 

 

Promise?

I’m more with Davey baby and Slojo & Ernie Blue.

Conte is not being professional in the way he is conducting himself it appears he is sulking.

Yes he will honour his contract until it is terminated.

I agree the circumstances, injuries and unfortunate bookings have conspired against him yet he still needs to lead by example.

I suspect he now wants out and this filters through to the players.

We may well lose against WBA, if that happens how much longer can he last?

50 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I'm sure we could get you Phil Brown in Davey for a fraction of the cost. That might make you less angry but it might also result in more untimely deaths.

Phil is actually good at saving lives.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/oct/02/hull-city-team-saves-suicidal-woman

Not so great at managing football teams, admittedly.

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Oh Davey, you do make I larf sometimes.  Yes, for a month or so, Conte has been a whiney bitch with a face like Les Dawson's arse, but prior to that he wasn't that bad, all giggling and simpering and jumping up and down like a teenage boy who has just seen his first boob. (You know, like you were a couple of weeks ago when that pensioner woman lifted her vest on the tube (yeah, I WAS there))

 

3 hours ago, Nibs said:

I'm sure we could get you Phil Brown in Davey for a fraction of the cost. That might make you less angry but it might also result in more untimely deaths.

 

Nibsy and Yorkley. The shedend's very own version of Hinge and Bracket. I'm so glad both your life-support machines are still working. This place wouldn't be the same without you.

I'm so bored of watching negative football, I feel we need a change. I hate to say this but Spurs, Liverpool and of course City play the game that entertains fans, surely that's what this game is about.

We are awful to watch, I appreciate what Conte has done for us but he has been paid handsomely and will swan off into the sunset after a massive payoff. Us fans are left to pick up the pieces as usual, we've been here before. He plays the same old dross as he wants a pay out, in my opinion of course. How on earth can a top manager insist on playing Bakayoko, I struggle to think of a worse player in the 40 years I have supported the Blues bearing in mind how much he cost.

Who could come in I have no idea but I like Eddie Howe, be nice to steal Poch from Spurs as well.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/luis-enrique-offered-contract-by-chelsea-deal-hinges-antonio-contes-26-7m-pay-off-1659472

If true, a crazy amount of compensation and no wonder he's not looking bothered what happens. 

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/luis-enrique-offered-contract-by-chelsea-deal-hinges-antonio-contes-26-7m-pay-off-1659472

If true, a crazy amount of compensation and no wonder he's not looking bothered what happens. 

Wow no wonder he wants the sack. Cannot really blame him what a dumb clause.