On 02/02/2018 at 18:59, TheChelseaBlues said:

“About Giroud, we’re talking about an international player with a lot of experience. A player who plays for the national team. He is 31 years old. We are not talking about a young player. For this reason, our expectation is for him to help us. Also because I asked for this type of player, with this characteristics, from my club. And the club gave me this opportunity with Giroud.”

100% media driven Conte is at odds with the club 

In which case why on earth didn't he start with Giroud for the Watford game ?

18 minutes ago, WeatherMan said:

In which case why on earth didn't he start with Giroud for the Watford game ?

Wasn't Giroud coming back from an injury? 

5 hours ago, brakeit said:

You are fast to forget. Didn`t City lose also as 2-4 to Leicester City, when Leicester was in the danger zone.

Some people always turn the table, when does not export them .... I`m ashamed of such Chelsea fans.

They also concede 6 goals against Monaco and lose 4-0 against Barcelona. Did i need to mention, the 4-0 lose from Everton ?

It`s fun to play with fans like you ....

 

Play with fans like me?

Grow up wee man 

Seems good RA think this way but it’s too little too late for that.

3 hours ago, brakeit said:

Then you get offended when i said there is a lot of blind man here. You are fast to forget. Conte by himself said he wanted this players. He said it for Danilo, Walker, Mendy and Sannchez.

And Conte did not sign an extenstion simply because he wanted to see if he will get some power in the club, and it`s show that he was right.

And if you think you will find the perfect manager, that never made mistake and so on, ooo you are delusional.

There is no such man.

And for Chelsea fan there is no good managers. Why you not try ??? You maybe the perfect candidate, who knows?

 

You keep calling him a manager. He isn't a manager. He is a first team coach. They know why they appointed him with that title.  His contract details which the public isn't privy to probably reflects the extent of transfer calls he can make. Hell he even says it in his moaning conferences that the club is in charge of transfers and he knows nothing about it. Every now and then he soft pedals and say decisions are made with him adding his input but the general view he gives is he is not in charge or control of what transfers we make.

That is because he is a first team coach and not a manager. 

He won the league, they had contract negotiations, they told him they wouldn't give him full control and as a result he said he won't extend. That is possibly what happened. I am speculating but this is what likely happened. Or at least something similar.They probably conceded to working with him where his targets fall in line with their own long term policies. Problem is most of his transfer requests don't make sense and I was happy when we didn't get Bonucci or Sandro for the so called £80m Juve asked for. 

Not because it is my money but because i felt we had invested a lot in players like Ake, Chalobah and other youth players to not give them a chance.

If you want Alex Sandro, Bonucci and other players Conte badly desires, why don't you buy Chelsea football club and buy the players for him.

Sick of how you come on here and moan like Conte all the time about the board. And talk down at other posters as if you have all the solutions and know it all. 

Football isn't all about winning on the pitch every time, sometimes you need to consider other goals. An improved stadium today may not increase revenue as much in comparison with the tv deals currently going but when those plans to expand were made they probably didn't have Conte on a shortlist as future Chelsea manager. 

 

6 hours ago, brakeit said:

Don`t try, this people here can`t understand. It`s obvious they know nothing of football. Otherwise all here would have supported Conte and would want the board to go.

Guardiola was not only backed at City, he get what he want. They back him fully. Same happen with Jose Mourinho at United. Only Conte was not backed. He said this time after time.

And for this who want Conte sacked and are putting their arguments from their a***, this is for them:

70.3% - Antonio Conte has the joint-best win rate of any manager in Premier League history (min 5 games), level with Pep Guardiola. Tension.

Conte will get sack, but he will find top club and will win, but we won`t find top manager like him and i`m pretty sure we won`t win something big in the next 2 or 3 years, and with this management, probably for long time.

If City doesn`t f**k*** up i doubt we will the title soon.

But i will be here to remember you that and shows who knows about football and who not !!!

 

Don Conte, what are you doing to make us play better football?

I would like to have a first-hand knowledge of what your plans are.

 

 

Seems good RA think this way but it’s too little too late for that.

How is it too late when the owner is saying to the players this time it's you and not the manager who will be held responsible. We are only 6 points behind united who aren't pulling up any threes and that 6 points can change very quickly

 

chelsea may still be in the top 4 and 2 comps but they are currently playing like relegation candidates, and that is worrying

Edited February 6, 20188 yr by luckywerthers

20 minutes ago, abister1 said:

You keep calling him a manager. He isn't a manager. He is a first team coach. They know why they appointed him with that title.  His contract details which the public isn't privy to probably reflects the extent of transfer calls he can make. Hell he even says it in his moaning conferences that the club is in charge of transfers and he knows nothing about it. Every now and then he soft pedals and say decisions are made with him adding his input but the general view he gives is he is not in charge or control of what transfers we make.

That is because he is a first team coach and not a manager. 

He won the league, they had contract negotiations, they told him they wouldn't give him full control and as a result he said he won't extend. That is possibly what happened. I am speculating but this is what likely happened. Or at least something similar.They probably conceded to working with him where his targets fall in line with their own long term policies. Problem is most of his transfer requests don't make sense and I was happy when we didn't get Bonucci or Sandro for the so called £80m Juve asked for. 

Not because it is my money but because i felt we had invested a lot in players like Ake, Chalobah and other youth players to not give them a chance.

If you want Alex Sandro, Bonucci and other players Conte badly desires, why don't you buy Chelsea football club and buy the players for him.

Sick of how you come on here and moan like Conte all the time about the board. And talk down at other posters as if you have all the solutions and know it all. 

Football isn't all about winning on the pitch every time, sometimes you need to consider other goals. An improved stadium today may not increase revenue as much in comparison with the tv deals currently going but when those plans to expand were made they probably didn't have Conte on a shortlist as future Chelsea manager. 

 

The club would never sign Bonucci at the age of 30 for 37m and big wages, the deal makes no sense unless you want immediate success. I don't really understand how people know who was Conte's targets, club targets, anyones targets, we all live on media news and little hints like Pep would say he likes Messi but that doesn't mean he has asked the club to sign him. Ake played in the semi final last year and played well, got dropped for the next game. I would have taken Ake over Bonucci.

3 hours ago, brakeit said:

Isn`t it obvious why he didn`t sign an extension or i should write it 20 times, to get it ?

It was obvious he wanted to see if he will get what he want. He wanted more power and the board to get the player he wanted. Now you washed their hand with that, because he didn`t sign extenstion. He didn`t sign it, because the first summer he didn`t get the player he wanted and he wanted to see if they was willing to give him what he want. Not happen - no extension it`s so simple.

 Ernie_blue, my last comment on this one. No of course the managers is always to blame. First it was Carlo, then 2 time Jose and now Conte.

Just as it happen with Mou the first time, he goes to Inter and won treble and Carlo won CL, that will happen and with Conte. He is in prime, will go to top club and will win everything and only we will suffer.

 

 

I would win the league with Bayern and PSG, most likely the cups aswell. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/06/roman-abramovich-will-not-let-chelsea-history-repeat-allow-player/

Roman Abramovich will refuse to allow player power to decide the fate of Chelsea head coach Antonio Conte even though it may only be a matter of time until the Italian departs.

Former managers Luiz Felipe Scolari, Andre Villas-Boas and, to a lesser extent, Jose Mourinho, at the end of his second spell, became victims of player dissatisfaction at Stamford Bridge.

But with the club legends such as John Terry, Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba and Petr Cech all gone, along with Branislav Ivanovic, it is understood that none of the current squad have a direct line to Chelsea owner Abramovich.

Abramovich has been in London and was at the home defeat to Bournemouth that preceded Monday night’s loss to Watford, but he has not canvassed the opinion of Conte’s crop of players as Chelsea wait to see whether they can lift themselves out of their recent slump.

The billionaire has visited the training ground to speak with Conte personally during difficult periods in the past and will deal directly with the 48-year-old, director Marina Granovskaia and the rest of the Chelsea board, rather than the playing staff.

Conte last season rowed with Diego Costa and fell out with David Luiz earlier this term, but the Brazilian returned to his starting line-up at Vicarage Road.

Conte himself dismissed the suggestion that his squad could influence Chelsea’s thinking even though “palpable discord” between Mourinho and his players was blamed for the dismissal of the Portuguese in 2015.

It has long been predicted that Conte would leave Chelsea at the end of the season, but the heavy defeats to Bournemouth and Watford have increased the threat of a change before then.

Chelsea insist that no discussions have taken place over sacking Conte and that they have not spoken to any potential successors.

Former Barcelona manager Luis Enrique is the favourite to succeed Conte and the Spaniard is understood to be keen on working in the Premier League.

But it is unclear whether or not Enrique would be prepared to cut short his sabbatical and step in before the end of the season.

Ex-Borussia Dortmund boss Thomas Tuchel is another man interested in the Chelsea post and may be happy to step in immediately as he seeks a way back into management.

The fact Chelsea are still fourth in the table and in the FA Cup and Champions League has given Conte some room for error, but time could run out if the season begins to collapse.

He faces a pivotal period in which the Blues face West Bromwich Albion, an FA Cup fifth-round tie against Hull City and a Champions League last-16 tie with Barcelona.

A number of players publicly voiced their backing for Conte in the aftermath of Monday night’s defeat to Watford, while it has emerged that it was captain Gary Cahill’s idea for the players to have three days off.

Chelsea’s squad had been due to take one day off following the Watford game before returning to training on Wednesday. But Conte changed his plans and granted the squad two more days off after Cahill suggested it may be beneficial.

It means Chelsea will not begin preparations for next Monday night’s match against West Brom until Friday.

There have been suggestions that Chelsea’s players have become tired of Conte’s tough training regime and left wing-back Marcos Alonso missed the Watford defeat because of fatigue.

Ross Barkley became the eighth player to suffer a hamstring injury in the run up to the Watford game, although the midfielder is expected to be back in around a week.

Conte, though, appears willing to take the views of his squad on board and Cahill has demonstrated that the players want to take an active part in finding a solution to the recent troubles.

 

"Whatever is decided, the players have to take responsibility," said Cahill. “The manager has done an absolutely unbelievable job.

"This is the worst I've felt for quite a while. Performance-wise (against Watford), I didn't recognise us or myself. It was abysmal.

“We just need to keep strong. I've been here before at this club - it's about staying calm. It hurts a lot when you come off after a performance like that.”

Vice-captain Cesar Azpilicueta has also come out in support of Conte, saying: “We are here altogether. We are all disappointed with the results.

“We know that there is speculation here all the time - it has been that way in the six years I have been here.

“Are the players letting the coach down? No. I think if you see the training sessions, we all fight hard. We are the first to be disappointed with the way the last two games went.

“We are getting penalised in the bad moments we are having in the game. It's not a long period, but in this league, which is so tough, you get punished as soon as you drop a bit.

“As a player, all I want is to come back to the training pitch as soon as possible, to work hard and to get into Monday's game against West Brom, to get the three points and to get our confidence back.

 

“We have to know that it [the speculation over the manager] is part of our job. When you win and are scoring goals, [people think] you're doing amazing and you get all the plaudits.

“When that happens you have to be calm and be realistic. It's the same during this time. We have to analyse ourselves. We know that we can do better and know that we can improve.”

Goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois added: “We believe in him (Conte) and we believe in our team. We have two bad results and we just try to get back, regroup and continue.

“We showed that we wanted to fight, even with 10 men, and that shows we have character, but when you lose twice like that it is not good and there are questions raised.”

 

 

Edited February 6, 20188 yr by enigma

People are quite contradictory with our players. One minute we are told they lack bolox and leadership and the next we are told they went up against two off the most volatile manager's in football

4 hours ago, Argo said:

People are quite contradictory with our players. One minute we are told they lack bolox and leadership and the next we are told they went up against two off the most volatile manager's in football

It is no tough or brave thing to to go against a CFC manager during a bad run of results/performances.  Quite frankly if rumours are true, it highlights the cowardice and not the leadership present in our dressing room.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5359869/Conte-hangs-Chelsea-job-amid-dressing-room-tension.html

THAT is how you create a story out of almost nothing

15 hours ago, brakeit said:

Probably because he recieve every player he wanted?

 

He got it last season while city was not performing well? Well, he also did not get sanchez. You dont see him cribbing and crying all the time. Time for Conte to man up.

Hope we manage to stick with Conte. It means we need results. 3 straight wins will do at this point. Isn't beyond realm.

I think Antonio is one of the best managers in the world and if this blip is his downfall it is once again just sad.

21 hours ago, Valerie said:

With this all going on (wrong team selection, lethargic attitude), I wonder what Conte's assistents are saying to him. Are they yes men, or do they keep their mouths shut, or do they give contrary opinions that Conte ignores?

It's an interesting point.

My corporate experience is that in Italian culture common sense bows to the whim of the senior guy in the room. What he says goes .. even if he is clearly wrong, unethical or illegal, the rest just go along with it ...

I only ever dealt with one Italian guy out of about thirty who wasn't a yes man ... and he was probably the one who made the least career progress despite being probably the most talented.

All thirty were very nice people though !

It's an interesting point.
My corporate experience is that in Italian culture common sense bows to the whim of the senior guy in the room. What he says goes .. even if he is clearly wrong, unethical or illegal, the rest just go along with it ...
I only ever dealt with one Italian guy out of about thirty who wasn't a yes man ... and he was probably the one who made the least career progress despite being probably the most talented.
All thirty were very nice people though !

This ^^^^ I work with or should I say i did work with a Italian guy recently and he got sacked similarly because he refused to listen and adapt didn't hit his targets because of that.

18 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

You only really take notice of the FA Cup when you get to the business end of the competition, if Chelsea got anyone good so far they would have been out on current performance, it's all about luck of the draw and Arsenal have been very lucky the last 3 years. Same with the league Cup, you only take notice at the business end and Conte f**ked it. On current form we won't be getting any further in the CL. Chelsea have to beat West Brom now with Utd and City coming up, 0 or 1 point from them and the season could well be over.

So competitions only matter when you say they do, is that right? I take notice of every Chelsea game in every competition, and every competition matters.  Some mor ethan others, obviously, but to say you only take notice at the sexy stages is just w**k, in my opinion.

5 hours ago, didierforever said:

He got it last season while city was not performing well? Well, he also did not get sanchez. You dont see him cribbing and crying all the time. Time for Conte to man up.

Yeah but City was on it. But Sanchez was too greedy. And when you get all you want, of course you won`t cry for 1 player, when your board have done everything they can, but the other side just want ridiculous money. And let`s not forget how much infront in points City was.

And to make him happy they buy him a new CB for 57+m. they broke their record for him.

They spend more then 400m. for 2 season and do everything they could to bring the players he want. Even when he fu***** with some transfers like Claudio, Nolito and the very bad first season of John Stone. They still back him up fully. They would have buy him Neymar or Messi if they was available.

You can`t f**** compare what is in City and what is in with us.

Did you read anywhere in the press last season, that Guardiola job is not safe? That they will sack him ?

4 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's an interesting point.

My corporate experience is that in Italian culture common sense bows to the whim of the senior guy in the room. What he says goes .. even if he is clearly wrong, unethical or illegal, the rest just go along with it ...

I only ever dealt with one Italian guy out of about thirty who wasn't a yes man ... and he was probably the one who made the least career progress despite being probably the most talented.

All thirty were very nice people though !

Japan is that times 100!

4 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

It's an interesting point.

My corporate experience is that in Italian culture common sense bows to the whim of the senior guy in the room. What he says goes .. even if he is clearly wrong, unethical or illegal, the rest just go along with it ...

I only ever dealt with one Italian guy out of about thirty who wasn't a yes man ... and he was probably the one who made the least career progress despite being probably the most talented.

All thirty were very nice people though !

Hard Brexit clearly needed

52 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Yeah but City was on it. But Sanchez was too greedy. And when you get all you want, of course you won`t cry for 1 player, when your board have done everything they can, but the other side just want ridiculous money. And let`s not forget how much infront in points City was.

And to make him happy they buy him a new CB for 57+m. they broke their record for him.

They spend more then 400m. for 2 season and do everything they could to bring the players he want. Even when he fu***** with some transfers like Claudio, Nolito and the very bad first season of John Stone. They still back him up fully. They would have buy him Neymar or Messi if they was available.

You can`t f**** compare what is in City and what is in with us.

Did you read anywhere in the press last season, that Guardiola job is not safe? That they will sack him ?

Did they do any of that last year when city were losing? Do you get that?

He took it on the chin, like a bloody man. He did not moan. He did not keep on crying last year. Thats the difference. When things were not going his way, he did not throw the players/the board and everyone else under the bus.