Just now, enigma said:

i'm fine with experienced, top quality players but the players linked above are average. i would rather us be a long term goal club anyway, football is a marathon, not a sprint. i would like us to build a young team. look at juventus for e.g. they're an aging side and it's starting to show. dybala is their standout player and he is 21/22 y/o. there are experienced players who are not very good, and there are young players who are very good. who would you rather? 

I'd love to see more players like RLC in our side but take last season for example, he's not better than Kante, Cesc or Matic and therefore he won't get into the side. If he does and we end up losing, the pitchforks come out.

also, we haven't got a young team entirely. luiz is 30, fabregas is 30, cahill is 30, azpilicueta is nearly 28, pedro is 30, willian is 28/29, so we do have experienced players. experience doesn't have to come in the form of a old player, young players like morata and courtois have had a lot of experience playing with top players at top clubs in spain before they came here. 

3 hours ago, JT_<3 said:

Ain't buying it

Is what your board said for the next 16 days.

LOLOLOL

 

There will always be a conflict between manager and club priorities at a club like Chelsea. 

Managers know they have a limited lifespan here, they want results, it's an audition for their next job, its their career and reputation, that's why they won't play youth or will buy older players that will serve only one or two seasons, they want success now.

 The club strategy is younger players that can develop or be sold for a profit, it's natural to have different objectives from players but there has to be a compromise.

For now it's a disrespect and a let down to give a manager who took a 10th place team to a record setting title win a team to start the season like we had against Burnley.

There are three goals here in buying new players: longevity, financially sound investments and success on the field, there are players that can fulfill all three and the board to be fair have shat the bed this window 

Edited August 15, 20178 yr by DonAntonio

I doubt that Conte will have a problem with young players like Hazard when we brought him from Lille. Or Bakayoko. Same goes for Morata. If they are good, the better when they are younger.

But you can`t expect him to fight for the titles with such players lik RLC, Musonda, Boga and so on.
This guys can`t even get regular starts at clubs that are very low in the table. How you can expect to win something with them ?

I don`t think the article is right.
Why then board last summer get David Luiz, he was obviously not Conte first choice, but Kolibaly, which was 25 last year. Alex Sandro is 26. Conte wanted Walker - 27, Mendy - 23, Danilo - 25, Lukaku - 24.

Also you have to lower your expectation, if you going that road. Arsenal for example didn`t win a title in PL for a decade, but they did not sack managers every year, right?

But we do.

How can you expect someone to put his head for a young player, that he knows if he failed to get the PL or CL title or very sloe to that, hes head will go down. He have no reason to integrate young guns, when he will be sacked at the end of the year, and he won`t get anything for that integrate.

So the way i see it, it`s all board problem.

Now the competition in England and in Europe is a lot higher then few years before. You f***** just one year and you are so far behind the rest of the team. You are not in Europe for 1 season, and there is big loses and big problem.

With that politics we probably will end up not in the top 4. Then no top manager will want to come here, same goes for players, and there we will go losing big moneys and soon will become a club like Liverpool.

And no f**** way if Conte have money to spend he will want players like Candreva. Perisic is all media hype. We never was interested in him.

And i don`t see a big problem to get a third option striker like Llorente.

And what is the use of Michy, when he is so young, but can`t do much ?

There always have to be some good balance.

All Conte top target was at good, good age.

Morata, Lukaku

Van Dajk, Rudiger

Bakayoko,

Sandro, Walker, Mendy, Danilo

 

 

 

Apparently Conte is in stand off with the board over ageing targets.

If the board are refusing to sign 30 years old players then I'm fully with the board here. It makes much more sense to buy a 23 years old player for 30m then a 32 years old player.

Unfortunately I'm beginning to go off Conte abit, he seems so stubborn about his ways and i think he need to lighten up abit and negotiate with the board about targets rather than having the my targets or the highway attitude.

I just get the impression Conte is being awkward about the whole situation rather than the board. I'm fearing this could come to an ugly ending.

7 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Apparently Conte is in stand off with the board over ageing targets.

If the board are refusing to sign 30 years old players then I'm fully with the board here. It makes much more sense to buy a 23 years old player for 30m then a 32 years old player.

Unfortunately I'm beginning to go off Conte abit, he seems so stubborn about his ways and i think he need to lighten up abit and negotiate with the board about targets rather than having the my targets or the highway attitude.

I just get the impression Conte is being awkward about the whole situation rather than the board. I'm fearing this could come to an ugly ending.

I wander how any press source knows that detail 

Im curious as to what 30 year old player is causing this dilemma.   Thus far the transfers in have been pretty young.  I get the boards policy, but if Conte is really pushing for one player that's 30 or so, I think you should give him some faith at this point and back him. 

 

Obviously you don't want your transfer policy to be 30 year olds, but if the manager feels he needs an experienced player for some purpose then why not? 

 Sometimes it's ok to ignore sell-on value if it's a player who will immediately improve the team....especially if you risk alienating a coach like Conte in the process..... aside from the contract payout, how much is that goinna cost in externalities?  Probably a lot more than a player fee (unless we are talking a WC player).

Article in the New York Times suggesting that there is already an understanding between Conte and the Board that this will be his last season at Chelsea whatever happens. I've no idea if there is any truth in this at all....   

Interesting as that is what my intuition tells me, that Conte realises with the money for new players on offer he won't be able to win the CL and that is his personal aim.

I also doubt Conte has the match acumen to win the CL, yet that won't stop him trying.

It's hard to be disappointed if you already have the mindset that we won't have him long term. Like i have said before tops 2 more seasons but even that will be an achievement with the way things have escalated. As fans we are emotional, that is the essence of it all but if we stop for a second and just be rational isn't it obvious? My feeling is that Conte communicated a desire to leave this season when he maybe saw the transfer strategy as handicapping him. The only way the club could hold on to him was an increased pay package, crucially with no extension on length (signifying no desire or commitment to staying long term) At that point the club knew that they were facing the situation of a "first" with him. A manager dumping them. They would maybe back him if they feel that would improve the chances but problem here is that he is not only wanting to commit to them but also throwing a spanner in the works of their long term strategy of making money from players as drafted by their visionary board. It is obvious board and manager are on different paths at the moment hence why all the media stories are coming up. It isn't too difficult to work out . Case in point; initially they sang from same sheet with Conte on Costa now club's official stance is for him to return and compete for a place. If they are in agreement with the manager (who doesn't want Costa) does that make sense? Plus people criticise Conte for letting so many players go on loan but managers don't negotiate loans, they could advise but ultimately club's decision.  In this case, he isn't even a manager. The main issue i think is clarity. The same way they give us no clarity on what their plans are it seems they have left Conte unclear as to situation of things as well. 

1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

Interesting as that is what my intuition tells me, that Conte realises with the money for new players on offer he won't be able to win the CL and that is his personal aim.

I also doubt Conte has the match acumen to win the CL, yet that won't stop him trying.

If this the case then a player like Hazard would be well within his rights to bugger of

You could look at it that way yet another perspective is another manager with better match acumen might after all we won it with Di Matteo and JM won it against the odds with Porto.

 

I'm not saying Conte is not talented just doubt his ability to change tactics quickly.

You could look at it that way yet another perspective is another manager with better match acumen might after all we won it with Di Matteo and JM won it against the odds with Porto.
 
I'm not saying Conte is not talented just doubt his ability to change tactics quickly.

Wow ok

Saw this posted on another forum:

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http://sportwitness.co.uk/former-chelsea-youth-player-claims-contes-treatment-midfielder-worse-costa/

Speaking to OwnGoalNigeria, Emmanuel Sarki, who left Stamford Bridge back in 2010, said: “I was told how Conte treated Mikel after his decision to represent Nigeria at the Rio 2016 Olympics. He was granted permission to go by Conte under one condition, which was ‘you might not get a look in upon your return’.”

The 29-year-old then went on to explain Nigeria’s manager ‘pleaded’ with Conte to allow Mikel to play in the club’s reserves in order to keep some fitness, but the manager even refused that request.

Unable to say goodbye to fans who saw him develop over 10.5 years and 381 appearances at Chelsea, the former FK Lyn starlet eventually left through the backdoor on a free transfer.

Maybe he’ll get a testimonial down the line, although we wouldn’t recommend holding your breath for that either.

 

That's a real sh*t way to treat a player who has been with the club for 10 years. Feel gutted for him that his exclusion and exit was largely swept under the carpet by the fans'.

1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

Interesting as that is what my intuition tells me, that Conte realises with the money for new players on offer he won't be able to win the CL and that is his personal aim.

I also doubt Conte has the match acumen to win the CL, yet that won't stop him trying.

that seems a reasonable conclusion from what we are seeing - it suggests that Roman isn't going to stake everything on trying to out do Real Madrid, PSG and Barca to win the CL again.

i'd like to think that if that is indeed Roman's mind set, that it may change once the new stadium is completed and the increased match day revenue supports another charge at the CL

 

7 minutes ago, ivorycoast said:

Saw this posted on another forum:

 

That's a real sh*t way to treat a player who has been with the club for 10 years. Feel gutted for him that his exclusion and exit was largely swept under the carpet by the fans'.

The fans were never fans of Mikel. Did you arrive here late?

10 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

You could look at it that way yet another perspective is another manager with better match acumen might after all we won it with Di Matteo and JM won it against the odds with Porto.

 

I'm not saying Conte is not talented just doubt his ability to change tactics quickly.

I have to agree, Conte is useless at changing tactics dynamically. Mourinho shut us down at old trafford. And Conte's FA cup final tactics weren't the best either.

3 minutes ago, abister1 said:

The fans were never fans of Mikel. Did you arrive here late?

My profile is 10 years old mate.

LOL so the fan's now turning against Conte [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Just now, ivorycoast said:

My profile is 10 years old mate.

Yeh pal, know that. Just a throwaway comment. My Sarcy didn't quite get there. But honestly he was never respected, regarded or loved. Vilified in the dictionary probably has a picture of him under it. Fans are quite disloyal in the real sense of the word but expect loyalty from their star men or favoured players.

A boy that chose us over Man Utd. For that alone it is cult status for me. And always professional, never kicked up a fuss. I always maintain my view that Chelsea, primarily Mourinho limited his career. He might not have lasted as long at the level he did but would have been more respected for his work on the pitch in his growing developing years if under a more attacking minded manager.

Didn't this same media do the same with Jose now he's their darling I wonder what element is the common denominator here [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

It's all down to the fact that Conte has stopped wearing his suit on the sidelines.  I think Jose used to, then went into his trackies.... it's ominous 

How did we get here after such a feel good last year? This board has talent.