1 hour ago, Slojo said:

His goals against Sunderland last season shown he has good dribbling, his 2nd goal against Sunderland was a fantastic goal. Hernandez was a goal poacher, Batshuayi has more ability than just tapping the ball in.

His biggest weaknesses are his hold up play & his movement. For the pace he has he needs to improve his movement, but he can't improve if we don't give him the game time, especially if we play a false 9. That's just a direct insult to the player, give him his chance, if we aren't going to then why do we have him? We may as well just sell him and get another forward if we aren't interested in playing him when we've got no other strikers. 

That"s the problem i haven't seen much bar his ability to put the ball in. His movement is awful and his passing is horrific. Even vs lower oppo and Qarabag he's looked like a lost sheep. His 2nd vs Sunderland was decent, but unfortunately he won't be facing Lescott every week.

6 hours ago, Slojo said:

 

It actually reminds me of the time we had Mohammad Salah, who would put in piss poor games in the cup games because he never got any game time, people actually thought he was a garbage player, never given him a chance. @ForeverCarefree was one of them let's be honest here! Now, look at Salah? Would you say the same? 

Salah along with Caudrado are two of the worst players of the Abramovic era and in my twenty odd years of watching Chelsea.

Salah was sh*t. We should have never signed him and I have zero regrets about selling him. He wouldn’t improve us even now and Liverpool are no better with him either. 

Completely understand the criticism but I think it's far too over the top, I think we are too quick to be impatient and write players off. I remember the same way we felt with KDB and Salah, hardly any Chelsea fans were outraged over the selling of KDB, people were actually disappointed in his performances in friendlies. 

It's your opinion and I know you'll love to be proven wrong but I don't see how he can get better if we don't put faith in him, Salah has shown good quality since leaving Chelsea when he looked like complete sh*t in cup games. Probably because Mourinho destroyed all of his confidence and relegated him to the C team, Salah was lucky to reach the bench. Michy has shown composure when he's on the receiving end of the final 3rd, that's strikers instinct, but his overall play has been poor, but can we truly say we've seen enough of him to know? You're a liar if you say yes. We haven't seen enough of him in the PL to know if he's capable, if we don't give him the opportunity while Morata is out then we should just sell him in January and make it quick. 

@ForeverCarefree Liverpool are definitely better off with Salah, look at the stats. I don't mean to single you out either, but Salah has been immense for Liverpool & was very good for Roma. He's only Liverpool's bright spark of the season, winning 2 LFC player of the month awards already. I think he's quality personally, even Cuadrado is a good player who never got the chance here, he proved that at Juventus. 

Edited October 5, 20178 yr by Slojo

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Salah along with Caudrado are two of the worst players of the Abramovic era and in my twenty odd years of watching Chelsea.

Salah was sh*t. We should have never signed him and I have zero regrets about selling him. He wouldn’t improve us even now and Liverpool are no better with him either. 

That is a bit harsh on Salah. He was only about 21 when we signed him and he was obviously raw and not fully ready. He was 21.... he has come leaps and bounds since then and has starred pretty much everywhere he has gone and to say he has not improved Liverpool is not true. He is scoring goals and regularly looks their biggest goals threat and they have some real attacking quality with him Mane and Firmino, just the same old problems letting their team down.

I think people are way too negative when it comes to Michy on here, discussing a false 9? Really? We've got a lad who has very very good goals to game ratio, that's even in the Premier League. Let him improve, he's still a young player. 
Understandable some of the criticism, his physical aspects have been poor, he got bullied by the Watford defense last season before scoring, he was even sloppy before the West Brom match before he ended up scoring the title-winning goal. But can anyone see the correlation? He scores goals, he needs to improve his game, yes, but youth is on his side, his finishing is certainly something we want on the side. I think people are far too critical of Michy like he's Fernando Torres. 
It actually reminds me of the time we had Mohammad Salah, who would put in piss poor games in the cup games because he never got any game time, people actually thought he was a garbage player, never given him a chance. [mention=9919]ForeverCarefree[/mention] was one of them let's be honest here! Now, look at Salah? Would you say the same? 

I agree with everything about Mitchy. But Salah? Aside Hazard, our other wingers (Pedro, Willian) doesn't give me any confidence, but I wont swap any of them with Salah even on current form.

Completely understand the criticism but I think it's far too over the top, I think we are too quick to be impatient and write players off. I remember the same way we felt with KDB and Salah, hardly any Chelsea fans were outraged over the selling of KDB, people were actually disappointed in his performances in friendlies. 
It's your opinion and I know you'll love to be proven wrong but I don't see how he can get better if we don't put faith in him, Salah has shown good quality since leaving Chelsea when he looked like complete sh*t in cup games. Probably because Mourinho destroyed all of his confidence and relegated him to the C team, Salah was lucky to reach the bench. Michy has shown composure when he's on the receiving end of the final 3rd, that's strikers instinct, but his overall play has been poor, but can we truly say we've seen enough of him to know? You're a liar if you say yes. We haven't seen enough of him in the PL to know if he's capable, if we don't give him the opportunity while Morata is out then we should just sell him in January and make it quick. 
[mention=9919]ForeverCarefree[/mention] Liverpool are definitely better off with Salah, look at the stats. I don't mean to single you out either, but Salah has been immense for Liverpool & was very good for Roma. He's only Liverpool's bright spark of the season, winning 2 LFC player of the month awards already. I think he's quality personally, even Cuadrado is a good player who never got the chance here, he proved that at Juventus. 

Yeah, Salah found his level at Roma and Liverpool. No English team with great ambition will sign him!

10 hours ago, Slojo said:

Completely understand the criticism but I think it's far too over the top, I think we are too quick to be impatient and write players off. I remember the same way we felt with KDB and Salah, hardly any Chelsea fans were outraged over the selling of KDB, people were actually disappointed in his performances in friendlies. 

It's your opinion and I know you'll love to be proven wrong but I don't see how he can get better if we don't put faith in him, Salah has shown good quality since leaving Chelsea when he looked like complete sh*t in cup games. Probably because Mourinho destroyed all of his confidence and relegated him to the C team, Salah was lucky to reach the bench. Michy has shown composure when he's on the receiving end of the final 3rd, that's strikers instinct, but his overall play has been poor, but can we truly say we've seen enough of him to know? You're a liar if you say yes. We haven't seen enough of him in the PL to know if he's capable, if we don't give him the opportunity while Morata is out then we should just sell him in January and make it quick. 

@ForeverCarefree Liverpool are definitely better off with Salah, look at the stats. I don't mean to single you out either, but Salah has been immense for Liverpool & was very good for Roma. He's only Liverpool's bright spark of the season, winning 2 LFC player of the month awards already. I think he's quality personally, even Cuadrado is a good player who never got the chance here, he proved that at Juventus. 

Ultimately Salah was bought in as a replacement for when we sold Mata. 

I'm sorry but that's like selling your Bentley and trading it in for a Robin Reliant. 

He was nothing but pace merchant with worse composure in the final third than that of a 14 year old with an empty house and access to Porn Hub.  

He wasn't and still isn't a good enough player to play regularly for a team with title aspirations. If he was here now he'd still be forth choice behind Hazard, Willian and Pedro. 

Slightly bemused that you've singled me out as the person you want to plead Salah's defence to, I think he was sh*t, still do and no matter what argument is made for him I won't budge on that. He was dog turd and was here 6 months too many. 

9 hours ago, STATS said:

That is a bit harsh on Salah. He was only about 21 when we signed him and he was obviously raw and not fully ready. He was 21.... he has come leaps and bounds since then and has starred pretty much everywhere he has gone and to say he has not improved Liverpool is not true. He is scoring goals and regularly looks their biggest goals threat and they have some real attacking quality with him Mane and Firmino, just the same old problems letting their team down.

I don't think he has improved Liverpool. They still not winning games they should expect to dropping lots of cheap points, only managing a draw in both of their opening Champions League games. 

Rather than dropping £40m on another attacking midfielder when they already had Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho, Mane they would have been setter off buying a quality central defender and/or a proper out and out striker. That's how they would have truly improved instead they're once again dominating possession, creating lots of chances but unable to kill of games or see them out. 

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Ultimately Salah was bought in as a replacement for when we sold Mata. 

I'm sorry but that's like selling your Bentley and trading it in for a Robin Reliant. 

He was nothing but pace merchant with worse composure in the final third than that of a 14 year old with an empty house and access to Porn Hub.  

He wasn't and still isn't a good enough player to play regularly for a team with title aspirations. If he was here now he'd still be forth choice behind Hazard, Willian and Pedro. 

Slightly bemused that you've singled me out as the person you want to plead Salah's defence to, I think he was sh*t, still do and no matter what argument is made for him I won't budge on that. He was dog turd and was here 6 months too many. I don't think he has improved Liverpool. They still not winning games they should expect to dropping lots of cheap points, only managing a draw in both of their opening Champions League games. 

 

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Right, well it's pretty obvious you're over exaggerating and refuse to believe anything else. Salah is a good player, he's showed that since leaving Chelsea, it's hardly even subjective when you look at the figures & performances from him. I mean you did just say you won't budge your opinion regardless on his performances...

And I singled you out because I remember you being very critical but highly praising Oscar at the same time, who wasn't good enough but played a lot of minutes, yet I would say now Salah is the far better player than Oscar is despite being younger, who's only scored 2 goals in the Chinese league. 

12 hours ago, STATS said:

That is a bit harsh on Salah. He was only about 21 when we signed him and he was obviously raw and not fully ready. He was 21.... he has come leaps and bounds since then and has starred pretty much everywhere he has gone and to say he has not improved Liverpool is not true. He is scoring goals and regularly looks their biggest goals threat and they have some real attacking quality with him Mane and Firmino, just the same old problems letting their team down.

This is my point, I'm not even saying Salah is a world beater, but he is a very good player and can still only improve. 

I think as fans we are far too harsh on our players even when they're young, Michy is my point. He's still young and has very impressive attributes yet people want us to play a false 9 when he's our only available striker. 

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Right, well it's pretty obvious you're over exaggerating and refuse to believe anything else. Salah is a good player, he's showed that since leaving Chelsea, it's hardly even subjective when you look at the figures & performances from him. I mean you did just say you won't budge your opinion regardless on his performances...

And I singled you out because I remember you being very critical but highly praising Oscar at the same time, who wasn't good enough but played a lot of minutes, yet I would say now Salah is the far better player than Oscar is despite being younger, who's only scored 2 goals in the Chinese league. 

I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve? 

You want me to praise a player who was only with us six months and was completely underwhelming, left won nothing, moved to one our most hated clubs and will most likely continue his trophy-less streak 'cause, y'know Liverpool gonna Liverpool. 

But "yay stats". 

As for Oscar, I did rate him. I thought he was central to the way Mourinho set us up in the title winning 14/15 season bridging the gap between midfield and attack with good movement and a willingness to lead the press from the front. 

But he didn't progress, he stagnated. He had a few games playing in a deeper role in central midfield and always looked much better there and I was often surprised he didn't get given chances to play as a box to box midfielder in a 4-3-3 system but we seemed pretty much married to a more rigid 4-2-3-1 at the time. 

If we can't cope without morata for the next 3 games (which are ultimately winnable games) then we have no chance of winning the league. Bats is perfectly capable of replacing alvaro. Morata, if recovers well, will be fit for utd or before then with some hope. 

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve? 

You want me to praise a player who was only with us six months and was completely underwhelming, left won nothing, moved to one our most hated clubs and will most likely continue his trophy-less streak 'cause, y'know Liverpool gonna Liverpool. 

But "yay stats". 

As for Oscar, I did rate him. I thought he was central to the way Mourinho set us up in the title winning 14/15 season bridging the gap between midfield and attack with good movement and a willingness to lead the press from the front. 

But he didn't progress, he stagnated. He had a few games playing in a deeper role in central midfield and always looked much better there and I was often surprised he didn't get given chances to play as a box to box midfielder in a 4-3-3 system but we seemed pretty much married to a more rigid 4-2-3-1 at the time. 

I'm not trying to achieve anything, I'm trying to make a point that we are too eager to write players off. Salah could probably get into a better side than Liverpool, still young and has potential, he certainly isn't as bad as you're claiming he is. 

So I'm just not understanding the logic here, if Michy leaves in the summer and goes on to become a very good player, fans will be moaning again that it's another KDB, Robben or Sturridge (although Sturridge has let himself down a lot) 

I think at this club we have a tendency to buy young talent and be impatient when they don't instantly perform and even a lot of our fans have adapted to that way. I could be wrong but I think Michy has a lot of potential, I thought Salah did and he's proving that, he's still only 24 and a good player, KDB was a phenomenal talent who we let go for 18 million who's now arguably one of the best-attacking players in the world. I can't remember that many people crying when we let KDB go, I actually remember a lot of people frustrated with him, they were more upset with Mata leaving, which is kind of understandable. 

Edit: Also if Oscar has stagnated like you're claiming then I worry that he was never even mid-table quality to begin with judging by his recent performances. 

Edited October 6, 20178 yr by Slojo

I agree with everything about Mitchy. But Salah? Aside Hazard, our other wingers (Pedro, Willian) doesn't give me any confidence, but I wont swap any of them with Salah even on current form.

That's interesting as I would swap either of them for salah or mahrez (was so gutted we didn't go for him) don't feel they contribute enough when you look at the input of hazard and feel that's the one area holding us back if we had Sanchez for example we would be demonic on the counter lol but I'd settle for mahrez at least he shoots (biggest gripe with Willian)

I don't think he has improved Liverpool. They still not winning games they should expect to dropping lots of cheap points, only managing a draw in both of their opening Champions League games. 
Rather than dropping £40m on another attacking midfielder when they already had Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho, Mane they would have been setter off buying a quality central defender and/or a proper out and out striker. That's how they would have truly improved instead they're once again dominating possession, creating lots of chances but unable to kill of games or see them out. 

Can't blame their results on him or any of the other attackers though everyone and his grandma knows they need a new gk defence and cm's

2 hours ago, LengmanJedi said:

Can't blame their results on him or any of the other attackers though everyone and his grandma knows they need a new gk defence and cm's

Of course you can also blame him.

First line of defence is your attack, he’s just as accountable as everyone else when the throw away decent leads. Also guilty of being a part of an attack that doesn’t convert chances often enough when dominating games/possession.

Of course you can also blame him.
First line of defence is your attack, he’s just as accountable as everyone else when the throw away decent leads. Also guilty of being a part of an attack that doesn’t convert chances often enough when dominating games/possession.

I'd say their attack is sweet I'd take any of their front four over Willian or Pedro of late

12 hours ago, LengmanJedi said:

I'd say their attack is sweet I'd take any of their front four over Willian or Pedro of late

Pedro has been alright, especially given the bad luck he’s had with injuries since pre-season. 

I’ve never been Willian’s biggest fan, so no comment. 

Liverpool don’t have a reliable, 20 goals a season, striker and so without that all the pace and creativity of the supporting players is wasted. 

 

Bats plays.

Pedro has been alright, especially given the bad luck he’s had with injuries since pre-season. 
I’ve never been Willian’s biggest fan, so no comment. 
Liverpool don’t have a reliable, 20 goals a season, striker and so without that all the pace and creativity of the supporting players is wasted. 
 

I see what your saying but I was on about swapping them for Pedro or Willian and we have hazard and morata so I feel any of cou, firm, salah or mane would do well on the right here

michy scored equalizer but missed an open seater later

It's good for his confidence to score before the forthcoming games. When you look well, Michy has much scored since start of season, as many as last season in the whole season 

This lad is not going to make it with us.

The days of CF's floating around the box waiting for the right ball to come their way are long gone.

A modern day CF has a high work rate (BATS doesn't), mixes it with the toughest defenders (BATS doesn't), harasses the living daylights out of the oppo's GK (BATS doesn't) and holds the ball up (BATS really really doesn't do this).

Poor buy and at £32m someone had their pants pulled down here.  What's he earning?  £4-5m pa?  Ludicrous world of football.

Still, he's a nice friendly lad and is humble on Twitter so maybe he can be forgiven for being out of his depth and costing us a small fortune along the way.

 

 

 

There is something in him, that's just 100% fact. But his attitute is so... I don't want to say what I think. His attitute is just... controversial. No devotion, no commitment. Not a single word between him and the rest of the lads, maybe excluding Hazard or Thibaut. He doesnt want to press, to pass the ball, to fight in the air. I just dont understand. We owe him absolutely nothing. He acts like we do. I barely stand him, really. And he is not a scrub. The moment with Pedro is such a disappointment. You can treat even the coach like that, but one of your teammates.. no, just no. What the hell did Pedro do to provoke that? 

I hope Conte will freeze him by the winter, when we will find some good offer and get rid of him. 

Edited October 14, 20178 yr by Pendergast

Final nail in the coffin for him today I think. Awful against the bottom club, no movement, no hold up. I'm starting to think even Tammy would do a better job than him.

Awful. Absolutely awful!!!

i would seriously have been considering calling Tammy back.