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Following Our Nearest & Dearest Rivals, 2017/2018

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I despise this abba system.......how in hell did came up with it and allowed it to enter is just typical fa etc........and anyone surprised city dives all over the pitch? Im not......its pep afterall.

So let me get this right. If you dive and win a penalty you get a ban, but if you dive and don't win a penalty you don't get a ban. If you dive outside the box and win a foul you won't get a ban and if you dive and don't win a foul you neither get a foul nor a ban. If you're booked for diving wrongly you just have to suck it up.

 

More and more stonewall pens are being denied by refs because they don't want to be seen as fools. They'd rather book a player wrongly for diving because nothing can happen afterwards, whereas if they get conned the player will be banned, it will be repeated endlessly on tv, and everyone will know the ref concerned. Outside the box they have no such problems and they just give what they see.

 

To cap it all, the player that got banned, the Everton player, that was a stonewall pen. He knocked the ball past the player, the player turned his back, and he ran into him. What was he meant to do, stop running? Maybe he made the most of it, maybe he didn't have to go down, but if you don't go down you'll never get the decision, this has been proven time and time again. Anywhere outside the box that's a foul. We've seen that incident a thousand times outside the box and a thousand times the ref blows for obstruction.

 

The ref gave the pen because he saw a foul. Next time he sees the same foul in the box he won't blow, but anywhere outside the box he will blow.

 

I hope you're all paying attention. I'm going to be testing you on this later.

8 hours ago, Stim said:

Doesn't matter where they stood at the start of the season. When the season got going Oscar was outperforming them both, him displacing our PotY is actually proof of how good he was playing.

So by at the time, I meant at the time Mata was on the bench and Oscar was starting games. I don't know why this is so contentious. He was playing better so he got the starts. The end.

I would like you to revisit my previous reply to you. Again, was it oscar outperforming or simply getting more opportunities?

8 hours ago, Stim said:

Doesn't matter where they stood at the start of the season. When the season got going Oscar was outperforming them both, him displacing our PotY is actually proof of how good he was playing.

So by at the time, I meant at the time Mata was on the bench and Oscar was starting games. I don't know why this is so contentious. He was playing better so he got the starts. The end.

I do't disagree that Oscar was playing really well then but I am amazed that some of you still make statements like this "him displacing our PotY is actually proof of how good he was playing". This is a ridiculously simplistic statement. Based on what we know of Jose, him choosing a player nowadays is hardly testament to how objectively good he is playing. Or is Fellaini a better player than Mata, Mikhtaryan or Martial? 

The other point here is that every decision cannot be made only on its short term merit. That is what Jose was guilty of, and that is why we lost out on a player with great potential.

These things happen, and I dont regret anything here. I just think it is a bit deluded to believe that no one made a mistake along the way, or that this was the only way it could have been.

3 hours ago, ashwin said:

I do't disagree that Oscar was playing really well then but I am amazed that some of you still make statements like this "him displacing our PotY is actually proof of how good he was playing". This is a ridiculously simplistic statement. Based on what we know of Jose, him choosing a player nowadays is hardly testament to how objectively good he is playing. Or is Fellaini a better player than Mata, Mikhtaryan or Martial? 

I actively saw how he was playing, and Plokoon confirmed he was playing his best football, and I respect his opinion, as I'm sure others do way more than my own so just take his word for it. 

3 hours ago, ashwin said:

I just think it is a bit deluded to believe that no one made a mistake along the way, or that this was the only way it could have been.

There has been plenty mistakes. Oscar was also a long term prospect, and was delivering, so was playing. To say we should have dropped him to carry KDB through games, and he needed to be carried at the time, is just arguing with hindsight. At the time Oscar was the player who deserved to start. And even then, there was a point where him and Mata actually had similar minutes played, but i can't remember the specifics. Hell, Oscar is actually the same age as KDB. I am always going to lose when arguing in hindsight, but at the time it was the right decision to be play oscar.

3 hours ago, didierforever said:

I would like you to revisit my previous reply to you. Again, was it oscar outperforming or simply getting more opportunities?

He was outperforming, which thus gave him more opportunities.

Edited by Stim

5 hours ago, ashwin said:

I do't disagree that Oscar was playing really well then but I am amazed that some of you still make statements like this "him displacing our PotY is actually proof of how good he was playing". This is a ridiculously simplistic statement. Based on what we know of Jose, him choosing a player nowadays is hardly testament to how objectively good he is playing. Or is Fellaini a better player than Mata, Mikhtaryan or Martial? 

The other point here is that every decision cannot be made only on its short term merit. That is what Jose was guilty of, and that is why we lost out on a player with great potential.

These things happen, and I dont regret anything here. I just think it is a bit deluded to believe that no one made a mistake along the way, or that this was the only way it could have been.

Nicely summed up and again underlines the fact that Mourinho is always for the instant success - Never an eye on the long-term.

2 hours ago, Stim said:

I actively saw how he was playing, and Plokoon confirmed he was playing his best football, and I respect his opinion, as I'm sure others do way more than my own so just take his word for it. 

There has been plenty mistakes. Oscar was also a long term prospect, and was delivering, so was playing. To say we should have dropped him to carry KDB through games, and he needed to be carried at the time, is just arguing with hindsight. At the time Oscar was the player who deserved to start. And even then, there was a point where him and Mata actually had similar minutes played, but i can't remember the specifics. Hell, Oscar is actually the same age as KDB. I am always going to lose when arguing in hindsight, but at the time it was the right decision to be play oscar.

He was outperforming, which thus gave him more opportunities.

He was outperforming because the other 2 were sitting on the bench or getting shafted on the right wing or being played once a month. KDB has done enough to show that if he had gotten those opportunities, then he would have easily outperformed oscar, and MATA HAD outperformed oscar for a whole season before unjustly been cast out. 

funny how city's transfer failings haven't been highlighted more. bernardo silva and danilo are looking mediocre, but when bakayoko has an average game the media jump on him. bernardo came for a similar fee and hasn't had the criticism thrown at him. 

49 minutes ago, enigma said:

funny how city's transfer failings haven't been highlighted more. bernardo silva and danilo are looking mediocre, but when bakayoko has an average game the media jump on him. bernardo came for a similar fee and hasn't had the criticism thrown at him. 

IF they start losing games then I'm sure some signings may get highlighted but the way they are going, who is going to criticize City about anything right now?!!

1 hour ago, enigma said:

funny how city's transfer failings haven't been highlighted more. bernardo silva and danilo are looking mediocre, but when bakayoko has an average game the media jump on him. bernardo came for a similar fee and hasn't had the criticism thrown at him. 

You can’t really rate Silva or Danilo because they haven’t been given a decent run in the team, you looking for anyway to critise City?  The only ones who can be judged are Ederson and Walker who have both looked good. Mendy has been injured.

Bakayoko has been a first team regular and looked ordinary, I haven’t jumped on the bandwagon but plenty of Chelsea fans have on this forum. It’s a fair point too but every player deserves a chance, something Salah and KDB never got.

On 19-12-2017 at 17:04, Stim said:

I am put off by his face. He just kinda has that unlikable look so for no reason at all I don't like him.

Must be hard times, Stim!

I'll be looking out not just for our result yet Man Utd too.

I was there in 1990 at Ashton gate (still their biggest crowd) when they dumped us out of the FA Cup.

Currently they are third and JM will probably thrown in a few unknowns and City just might spring a surprise.

10 hours ago, Nibs said:

IF they start losing games then I'm sure some signings may get highlighted but the way they are going, who is going to criticize City about anything right now?!!

Agree - hard to to give them a kicking when they're on the run they are.

 

Plus Bernardo Silva is a real gem of a player, if he gets in the side reguarlarly he'll show his worth.

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