1 hour ago, haviet1 said:

Any injury updates on Pulisic? Could we potentially see him available for Liverpool?

I'm strongly doubting it.  I'm not Lampard but he said that Christian felt some discomfort in training and they are monitoring it.  I know with these Hamstrings you have to be careful about pushing them too hard before they are ready.  Otherwise you just end up re-aggrivating the same injury.  

He wasn't even on the bench against Brighton.  At most I could see him maybe being on the bench against Liverpool.  I just can't imagine going from Monday being left off the squad entirely and being reported as having discomfort in training to starting on Sunday.  

I want to see him out on the pitch probably more than most.  But I don't think it's likely going to be happening this Sunday and if it is, it will probably be as a sub in limited minutes.

Doesn't Lampard normally have a presser a couple days before the match anyways?  I'm sure this question will come up in that.  

Edited September 16, 20205 yr by Valpo

Can’t see him playing. Rather him miss one game than the next 10

I’d almost certainly see him playing, I’m sure that’s why Lampard rested him completely, I think he will come off the envy if needed 

Since Lampard said he had a set back in his recovery, I'd imagine we don't see Pulisic this weekend. We could definitely use him, but best not to rush him back to quickly

Edited September 16, 20205 yr by chiefBlueCFC

I’ll take it one step further - we won’t see him in Sep. they’ll bring him back very carefully. 

Not good is it though, we had to bring him back very carefully too last season. I hope he stays fit for the majority of season after this.

Nothing more frustrating than an in form injured player.

I can't believe his luck,has amazing ability but the way his career is going at chelsea he is more likely to be nicknamed "sick note",definitely robben comes to mind.

He and Ziyech will need to gain some muscle mass, it's simply not acceptable that both of them are injured. As it stands I hope that Pulisic will be back for the Liverpool game, either on the bench or as a starter.

23 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He and Ziyech will need to gain some muscle mass, it's simply not acceptable that both of them are injured. As it stands I hope that Pulisic will be back for the Liverpool game, either on the bench or as a starter.

You might be right about muscle, but as far as I know added muscle does not prevent a hamstring injury.

Looks like yoga might be a better answer.

39 minutes ago, DumbYank said:

You might be right about muscle, but as far as I know added muscle does not prevent a hamstring injury.

Looks like yoga might be a better answer.

Yea whatever helps so that he gets a bit stronger.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Yea whatever helps so that he gets a bit stronger.

Some guys just seem to get hurt.  I just hope he’s not one of those guys.

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

He and Ziyech will need to gain some muscle mass, it's simply not acceptable that both of them are injured. As it stands I hope that Pulisic will be back for the Liverpool game, either on the bench or as a starter.

Muscle mass doesn't prevent muscular injuries. It's proper rehab and not overworking the muscles that prevents these sorts of injuries.

9 minutes ago, Deino said:

Muscle mass doesn't prevent muscular injuries. It's proper rehab and not overworking the muscles that prevents these sorts of injuries.

Well maybe not per se but if he's stronger he might avoid further injuries through proper training.

He got the injury while sprinting which does suggest that his muscles are not strong enough in some way. I hope he did get a proper rehab, the whole point is to prevent it from happening again.

Massive generalization, but injuries only get hard as you get older.  At 21 he should be bouncing off most things.  I'm sure he is as frustrated as anyone.  With some careful management and better training we can get him there.

It's not all about  muscles, it's about brain. Do you guys remember Essien? He was one hell of a strong mothafaka but the injuries shortened his career with at least 5-6 years. Arjen was not skinny as well, from nowadays players like Jones and Eric Bailly are injured all the time. All of these look like WWE superstar not football players. Muscles didn't help them single bit. 

It's unprofessional to reckon and acknowledge the injury track and do nothing about it. People that are getting hurt and miss huge parts of the season should not receive salary. Why should we feel sorry about them, it's not like their life is in danger or its not like they are protecting is from something. 

21 minutes ago, Droopy said:

It's not all about  muscles, it's about brain. Do you guys remember Essien? He was one hell of a strong mothafaka but the injuries shortened his career with at least 5-6 years. Arjen was not skinny as well, from nowadays players like Jones and Eric Bailly are injured all the time. All of these look like WWE superstar not football players. Muscles didn't help them single bit. 

It's unprofessional to reckon and acknowledge the injury track and do nothing about it. People that are getting hurt and miss huge parts of the season should not receive salary. Why should we feel sorry about them, it's not like their life is in danger or its not like they are protecting is from something. 

Well if he gets injured on the job he should get some insurance from it as it's a risk to get injured so it's a part of being a professional player, otherwise it's just silly, no?

14 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Well if he gets injured on the job he should get some insurance from it as it's a risk to get injured so it's a part of being a professional player, otherwise it's just silly, no?

Yeah but these insurances and sick leaves are not like the salaries. Football players are not soldiers and policemen to get that much for basically doing nothing. 

Edited September 17, 20205 yr by Droopy

43 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Well maybe not per se but if he's stronger he might avoid further injuries through proper training.

He got the injury while sprinting which does suggest that his muscles are not strong enough in some way. I hope he did get a proper rehab, the whole point is to prevent it from happening again.

It's because he overworked it. He was playing crazy minutes and every time he's on the field, he sprints like in the 100m dash.

Do that enough times and you'll get injured. Muscle strength or mass doesn't help with avoiding injuries. Injuries happen when you overworked the muscle enough that it can't handle the strain you put on it. 

If you want him to be stronger to not get bullied off the ball then having more muscle helps. But if it's to avoid injuries then you need more rest/recovery period and better conditioning.

14 minutes ago, Deino said:

It's because he overworked it. He was playing crazy minutes and every time he's on the field, he sprints like in the 100m dash.

Do that enough times and you'll get injured. Muscle strength or mass doesn't help with avoiding injuries. Injuries happen when you overworked the muscle enough that it can't handle the strain you put on it. 

If you want him to be stronger to not get bullied off the ball then having more muscle helps. But if it's to avoid injuries then you need more rest/recovery period and better conditioning.

He didn't get injured after playing 90min and extra time, it was right after the second half started so he did have some time to rest but he still got injured.

If it's through proper stretching and warming up again or having some specific exercise and a good rest that's up to the trainers but I believe that having better muscle strength in any way is a must if he wants to avoid injuries in the future, without proper training he risks repeating his injury again as soon as he puts his body to more intense work.

Shorter players like Aguero, Hazard have strong legs and are very agile, when you see Pulisic, his thigh is as thin as Jorginho's but he's supposed to be a fast winger. I know he's young but his body will have to further evolve and adapt for the role he's playing IMO.

2 hours ago, Deino said:

It's because he overworked it. He was playing crazy minutes and every time he's on the field, he sprints like in the 100m dash.

Do that enough times and you'll get injured. Muscle strength or mass doesn't help with avoiding injuries. Injuries happen when you overworked the muscle enough that it can't handle the strain you put on it. 

If you want him to be stronger to not get bullied off the ball then having more muscle helps. But if it's to avoid injuries then you need more rest/recovery period and better conditioning.

I think this might be one of the keys and I don't know what the answer is here.  If he slows it down, will he be as effective?  If he doesn't, will he be on the pitch?

The best ability is availability.  I really hope his team (if CP is the one doing the thinking about his body, etc. then CFC is egregiously in error), figure out what needs to be done to keep him playing.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

He didn't get injured after playing 90min and extra time, it was right after the second half started so he did have some time to rest but he still got injured.

If it's through proper stretching and warming up again or having some specific exercise and a good rest that's up to the trainers but I believe that having better muscle strength in any way is a must if he wants to avoid injuries in the future, without proper training he risks repeating his injury again as soon as he puts his body to more intense work.

Shorter players like Aguero, Hazard have strong legs and are very agile, when you see Pulisic, his thigh is as thin as Jorginho's but he's supposed to be a fast winger. I know he's young but his body will have to further evolve and adapt for the role he's playing IMO.

Well Thomas Mueller looks like a friggin bean pole from the Geek Squad of Best Buy and plays all the time.  You can't really tell about injury proneness from what someone looks like.  I think it's probably primarily genetic.

These guys surely have genius trainers that plan their workouts for them don't they?

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

He didn't get injured after playing 90min and extra time, it was right after the second half started so he did have some time to rest but he still got injured.

If it's through proper stretching and warming up again or having some specific exercise and a good rest that's up to the trainers but I believe that having better muscle strength in any way is a must if he wants to avoid injuries in the future, without proper training he risks repeating his injury again as soon as he puts his body to more intense work.

Shorter players like Aguero, Hazard have strong legs and are very agile, when you see Pulisic, his thigh is as thin as Jorginho's but he's supposed to be a fast winger. I know he's young but his body will have to further evolve and adapt for the role he's playing IMO.

Muscle injuries doesn't have a set period of time. All it takes is an extra strain on an already overworked muscle. We were playing 3 matches per week at that point, with Pulisic sprinting up and down the field, it was almost inevitable.

Aguero and Hazard are different in that they don't sprint up and down the field either. Pulisic keeps busting a gut during offense and defense. 

It's not as simple as add more muscle strength = less injuries. Pulisic is young, he is in the final stages of his growth spurts, he needs to be given ample time to rest and recover. There's no need to immediately add muscle strength. 

Plenty of players get by with having normal-ish sized thighs and plenty of muscular footballers are saddled with niggling injuries. 

 

45 minutes ago, DumbYank said:

I think this might be one of the keys and I don't know what the answer is here.  If he slows it down, will he be as effective?  If he doesn't, will he be on the pitch?

The best ability is availability.  I really hope his team (if CP is the one doing the thinking about his body, etc. then CFC is egregiously in error), figure out what needs to be done to keep him playing.

He just needs to be managed properly. Lamps high pressing might be having an adverse effect long term so maybe have Pulisic ease up on the defensive side of things or maybe have him be restricted to only 60minutes per game.

 

 

3 hours ago, Droopy said:

Yeah but these insurances and sick leaves are not like the salaries. Football players are not soldiers and policemen to get that much for basically doing nothing. 

Here is the problem.  This could probably be done contractually. . . but no player of any high caliber would sign for you.  

Top players have a lot of bargaining power, that's why they make so much darn money in the first place.  So one thing that is in there to the point that it's the standard is that players get paid while hurt.  

 

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Well maybe not per se but if he's stronger he might avoid further injuries through proper training.

He got the injury while sprinting which does suggest that his muscles are not strong enough in some way. I hope he did get a proper rehab, the whole point is to prevent it from happening again.

It's not a size issue it's them being able stand up to the stress.  And the stress can compile too.  When you use a muscle heavily you damage it, if the muscle isn't able to repair itself before you use it again than the damage you do to it just piles up until it causes an injury like this.

I don't think there is any real easy solutions.  Perhaps some work on flexibility or just increasing his fitness levels might help.  But it's certainly not something that is going to be fixed in the weight room.  

Quite frankly and this is true of all professional sports, I think the fans look at injury issues and feel like they can be prevented through proper training.  And that might be true to some extent but there is only so much that can be done in that regard.  Pro-teams employ the best trainers in the world to look after their players.  I mean if you are paying the player millions per year, an extra 50k to 100k to keep him on the field is NOTHING  If there is something they can do to help prevent injury I'm sure they are doing it.