3 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Very long post... all of a sudden I see win% coming up everywhere!

Says Potter has won 9 or his 22 league games - current win% therefore 41%

That means he needs to win the next 3 to catch up with Alex Ferguson (arguably the best manager ever) who won 12 of his first 25 with Man Utd - 48%

 

If Potter wins the remaining 16 league games - his win% will leap to 66%

If Potter's win% is measured from the time he had some of our star players available (say the WHU game) and he wins his remaining 16 matches his win% will be 94%!

 

Which confirms statistics are complete bllox and may explain why Todd didn't pay much attention to them 😁

 

 

You are correct stats (the bane of the modern game) are only relevant when taken in the correct context, without that they become just figures. Potters win ratio at Brighton was only ever going to be between 40 and 50% at best, size of the club dictates that. His achievement there is keeping them in the top division and gradually making them relevant. The Ferguson direct comparison is interesting purely on a head to head basis. What do we extrapolate from the comparison, Potter could be as good as Fergie? In all probability that won't happen. The figures for Fergie don't take into account that he came to a club in a mess and by all accounts he had to tackle a lot of off the field problems first. As I said every figure has a context and it isn't till you delve deeper that you see just how relevant the statistic is.

4 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

If Potter wins the remaining 16 league games - his win% will leap to 66%

Graham Potter is our manager, not Harry Potter, just to be clear. 

4 minutes ago, charierre said:

The Ferguson direct comparison is interesting purely on a head to head basis. What do we extrapolate from the comparison, Potter could be as good as Fergie? In all probability that won't happen. The figures for Fergie don't take into account that he came to a club in a mess and by all accounts he had to tackle a lot of off the field problems first.

Thanks for this. 

Also the comparison isn't really one that should be made. Fergie was a serial winner in Scotland. Scottish Cup, league and also won in Europe with Aberdeen before he went to Man Utd. 

23 minutes ago, charierre said:

You are correct stats (the bane of the modern game) are only relevant when taken in the correct context, without that they become just figures. Potters win ratio at Brighton was only ever going to be between 40 and 50% at best, size of the club dictates that. His achievement there is keeping them in the top division and gradually making them relevant. The Ferguson direct comparison is interesting purely on a head to head basis. What do we extrapolate from the comparison, Potter could be as good as Fergie? In all probability that won't happen. The figures for Fergie don't take into account that he came to a club in a mess and by all accounts he had to tackle a lot of off the field problems first. As I said every figure has a context and it isn't till you delve deeper that you see just how relevant the statistic is.

Potter's Premier League win per cent at Brighton was 28.3%., and that includes the up turn from his last 14 games, which many Brighton fans will tell you had more to do with having Moises Caicedo in the team than anything Potter was doing differently from his previous 106 PL games. Before that little upturn, GP had pretty much exactly the same win % keeping Brighton in the PL as Chris Hughton had in keeping them up in the two seasons before Potter was appointed. I don't recall much clamour for Chris Hughton to manage Chelsea at the time LOL.

Brighton fans will also point to the real "it" factor at Brighton being Tony Bloom and his Starlizard analytics company, whose algorithms identify players like Caicedo and Mitoma for peanuts. Boehly probably thought he was buying that knowledge by hiring Winstanley, but apparently he never had access to the actual intelligence that enables the Brighton hiring decisions.

Anyway, GP's our guy now. Boehly will do what he needs to do to make him successful, by however he is defining success anyway ... but I think he's going to have to throw an awful lot more money at it. A squad of 25 £100m players perhaps 🙂 

 

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

5 hours ago, Term_X said:

Simon Jordan stated the real reason Tuchel was sacked would “shock everyone”, after speaking to Boehly himself.

Simon Jordan is a prick who loves the sound of his own voice. It sort of sums him up if it's true Boehly tells him something in confidence and he massively implies that there's a big scandal on his radio show. Boehly doesn't come across as the sort of bloke who would tell something as delicate as that to a windbag like Jordan especially if he knew anything about the bloke and knew he would shoot his mouth off on national radio,

4 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Very long post... all of a sudden I see win% coming up everywhere!

Says Potter has won 9 or his 22 league games - current win% therefore 41%

That means he needs to win the next 3 to catch up with Alex Ferguson (arguably the best manager ever) who won 12 of his first 25 with Man Utd - 48%

 

If Potter wins the remaining 16 league games - his win% will leap to 66%

If Potter's win% is measured from the time he had some of our star players available (say the WHU game) and he wins his remaining 16 matches his win% will be 94%!

 

Which confirms statistics are complete bllox and may explain why Todd didn't pay much attention to them 😁

 

 

Except he hasn't won "9 of his 22 league games".

He's managed us for 16 PL games so far, and he was won 5, drawn 6 and lost 5, scoring 15 goals in the process. A win % of 31.3%.

His overall record for us to date, including domestic cups and the champions league, won 9 drawn 7, lost 8, with 25 goals in the 24 games. A win % of 37.5%

So he has a bit more work to do to catch up than you originally thought I guess 🙂 

Hopefully, the only way is indeed up, given the resources at his disposal !

3 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Potter's Premier League win per cent at Brighton was 28.3%., and that includes the up turn from his last 14 games, which many Brighton fans will tell you had more to do with having Moises Caicedo in the team than anything Potter was doing differently from his previous 106 PL games. Before that little upturn, GP had pretty much exactly the same win % keeping Brighton in the PL as Chris Hughton had in keeping them up in the two seasons before Potter was appointed. I don't recall much clamour for Chris Hughton to manage Chelsea at the time LOL.

Brighton fans will also point to the real "it" factor at Brighton being Tony Bloom and his Starlizard analytics company, whose algorithms identify players like Caicedo and Mitoma for peanuts. Boehly probably thought he was buying that knowledge by hiring Winstanley, but apparently he never had access to the actual intelligence that enables the Brighton hiring decisions.

Anyway, GP's our guy now. Boehly will do what he needs to do to make him successful, by however he is defining success anyway ... but I think he's going to have to throw an awful lot more money at it. A squad of 25 £100m players perhaps 🙂 

 

Fair points and to be honest I didn't check his previous stats. 

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Except he hasn't won "9 of his 22 league games".

He's managed us for 16 PL games so far, and he was won 5, drawn 6 and lost 5, scoring 15 goals in the process. A win % of 31.3%.

His overall record for us to date, including domestic cups and the champions league, won 9 drawn 7, lost 8, with 25 goals in the 24 games. A win % of 37.5%

So he has a bit more work to do to catch up than you originally thought I guess 🙂 

Hopefully, the only way is indeed up, given the resources at his disposal !

Not necessarily, Saturday is probably D Day. Lose that and his position could be untenable.

4 minutes ago, charierre said:

Not necessarily, Saturday is probably D Day. Lose that and his position could be untenable.

We shall see. 

You would really hope that as a bare minimum we would have enough individual quality in the squad to see off a Southampton side that has lost 8 of it's last 9 league games, regardless of Potter's "tactics", or any "no manager" bounce for the Saints.

None of us are going to complain if GP "does a Ferguson" and usurps Jose as our most decorated manager. I wouldn't be betting much on that outcome though LOL.

7 minutes ago, charierre said:

Not necessarily, Saturday is probably D Day. Lose that and his position could be untenable.

Charierre don't get me all excited now lol. 

Nah I think he'll underservedly get longer. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see him in dugout next season because if nothing has changed Todd's view by now, a few more losses won't matter. He will probably juts say he's written off the season and provided the manager the tools he needs to work with from next season. 

 

12 hours ago, Term_X said:

Simon Jordan stated the real reason Tuchel was sacked would “shock everyone”, after speaking to Boehly himself.

Yes yes, Tuchel was Scarface all along. I mean who wouldn't? Last year he was battling divorce on top of the sanctions on top of the football injuries. 

That's the ultimate managerial sh*t sandwich. 

Boehly, now it is the latest to point to realize what terrible mistake you made in Potter. He shouldn't be the manager one hour from now!!!

Fu*k ManC draw against Nottingham. The only thing to follow in this year's PL is that the Arse don't win it.

Won't be surprised if an interim manager came in. Doubt they will immediately hire anyone long-term if they do fire, Potter.

Paying Potter 5 years of salary for staying away from the pitch is one way of wasting money. Should have considered it more thoroughly before making the decission.

On 17/02/2023 at 08:52, bluehaze said:

Simon Jordan is a prick who loves the sound of his own voice. It sort of sums him up if it's true Boehly tells him something in confidence and he massively implies that there's a big scandal on his radio show. Boehly doesn't come across as the sort of bloke who would tell something as delicate as that to a windbag like Jordan especially if he knew anything about the bloke and knew he would shoot his mouth off on national radio,

Knew his brother a bit years back- normal decent bloke- never met SJ but everyone in that crowd I met said he was an out and out tossed. Got a few quid together and became a football chairman cause he was an ego nut who loved the spotlight. Turned out to be a financial small fry by football standards- got skinted  out, blamed everyone under the sun. Now in the media just to satisfy his gigantic ego. Proper knob

Just now, Fruit Bat said:

Knew his brother a bit years back- normal decent bloke- never met SJ but everyone in that crowd I met said he was an out and out tosser. Got a few quid together and became a football chairman cause he was an ego nut who loved the spotlight. Turned out to be a financial small fry by football standards- got skinted  out, blamed everyone under the sun. Now in the media just to satisfy his gigantic ego. Proper knob

 

I feel bad for Todd. The man puts everything on the line and give Potter so much money, time and space and Potter just fecks around

Just now, Deino said:

I feel bad for Todd. The man puts everything on the line and give Potter so much money, time and space and Potter just fecks around

I admire his ambition but his actions over the summer have f**ked us. 

He played FM whilst trying to bring in Tuchel's targets, of which 90% of them have been duds. One of them has been an utter disaster (Koulibaly) that we will likely never get rid considering his 300kpw wages. He then went on to not only sack Tuchel after getting his targets, but to replace him with a manager that is just no way qualified. 

All the good we did in January, is being held back given what happened in the summer. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I admire his ambition but his actions over the summer have f**ked us. 

He played FM whilst trying to bring in Tuchel's targets, of which 90% of them have been duds. One of them has been an utter disaster (Koulibaly) that we will likely never get rid considering his 300kpw wages. He then went on to not only sack Tuchel after getting his targets, but to replace him with a manager that is just no way qualified. 

All the good we did in January, is being held back given what happened in the summer. 

 

 

Cech, Marina and Buck staying for the summer honestly would have made the transition smoother. They wouldn't have given Tuchel all he wanted and Marina probably wouldn't have stood for some of those wages. Todd (an owner who doesn't know much about the game) and Tuchel (a manager who prefers to focus on the pitch than deal with bureaucracies) having an empty chequebook was a recipe for disaster. I'm glad actual people with experience have now taken over those decisions but we now are going to have to live with our mistakes.

Who appointed Potter by the way? Who was all involved in that decision?

21 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Who appointed Potter by the way? Who was all involved in that decision?

I can't remember his name but around the time he was hired the media were speculating someone who used to work upstairs for another premier league club advised Boehly to hire him.

Typically, in a Corporate structure, if someone is put into a high profile leadership role and they make a pigs ear out of it, they usually get moved sideways to some other department where the job is a bit easier. 

Be great if Boehly did something really brave and told Emma Hayes and GP they were swapping jobs as of Monday ... 

3 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Typically, in a Corporate structure, if someone is put into a high profile leadership role and they make a pigs ear out of it, they usually get moved sideways to some other department where the job is a bit easier. 

Be great if Boehly did something really brave and told Emma Hayes and GP they were swapping jobs as of Monday ... 

I saw that we have Bar staff roles available on Indeed 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Typically, in a Corporate structure, if someone is put into a high profile leadership role and they make a pigs ear out of it, they usually get moved sideways to some other department where the job is a bit easier. 

Be great if Boehly did something really brave and told Emma Hayes and GP they were swapping jobs as of Monday ... 

Come on, The Women's team deserves better, and they are the best chance for the Club to win something.