1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Looking back on last season he season just at the stats i would agree, but his performances did drop off towards the end of the season and wasn't having the same overall impact on games he was the season before and at the start of last season. I think he had these same poor performances under Tuchel as he is under Potter currently. 

Its clear that he's Chelsea quality though as he's proved time and time again, that's why you have to laugh at half the numpties on here and other social media sites that say he's sh*t. 

Well, we did collectively as a squad probably go on a bit of a downer after the Real Madrid Champions League exit, especially seeing how close we got to getting out of the 1st leg fix we got ourselves into. Plus also remember this was all concurrent to Roman being pushed out by the Government, and it looking like the club might go under. Nobody is going to be on it all the time in those sorts of circumstances ! I'm sure he had a few bad games that you are remembering but overall he certainly did enough consistently throughout the season to see off Thiago Silva for Player of the Year as voted by the supporters, and I don't think he'd have got that if he was sh*te over an extended period like he has been this season, and especially if it was at the back end of the season and fresh in people's memories when they are voting ?

29 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Well, we did collectively as a squad probably go on a bit of a downer after the Real Madrid Champions League exit, especially seeing how close we got to getting out of the 1st leg fix we got ourselves into. Plus also remember this was all concurrent to Roman being pushed out by the Government, and it looking like the club might go under. Nobody is going to be on it all the time in those sorts of circumstances ! I'm sure he had a few bad games that you are remembering but overall he certainly did enough consistently throughout the season to see off Thiago Silva for Player of the Year as voted by the supporters, and I don't think he'd have got that if he was sh*te over an extended period like he has been this season, and especially if it was at the back end of the season and fresh in people's memories when they are voting ?

I voted for Mount as POTS, just think he dropped off personally and think it was long before Potter came in as many seem to suggest

Warning ⚠️ 🚨 longer post and my analysis of Potter's appointment within the context of everything that has happened and is going on.

I'll put the TLDR in at the bottom

 

It's so obvious Tuchel lost a portion of the locker room if not all. This is of course my opinion, but looking at the situation detached there's two aspects that stick out to me. Firstly the 100 day assessment bs that I think a lot of people have dismissed as just a cover up story for the real reason. 

Whether it was a bust up with Boehly himself or the squad, the fact Potter was valued so much for his emotional intelligence speaks volumes to me. They chose to replace a serial winner with an individual known for their caring and supportive nature. 

Professional footballers more specifically elite players don't need someone with emotional IQ as their primary trait, they need a winner. Someone they get behind someone with fire, passion and drive, not say what they want from players, but to make it happen.

Boehly and Co will remain at their current stance of backing the coach because 9th isn't seen as disastrous to them. As far as they're concerned we can only go up from here. Whilst we sit mid table half the teams below us ensure no threat of relegation in the immediate future. 

This thinking is flawed, whilst it is important to give time to the coach their approach to Potter is all wrong. Effectively they negate everything good they've done by trying to rebrand Chelsea as a team that sticks by their coach when times get hard as opposed to our well documented history of the last 20 years.

That's all well and fine when you have a coach that is qualified for the job. The truth is Potter just isn't, maybe one day he will be, but the plain simple fact is, he is not right now and assuming he will be in a few years is potentially harmful to the project itself. 

They may have football people in their setup and structure now, but they didn't when they hired Potter and I suspect had they been in place, the Potter appointment would have had a more serious examination before the go ahead was given. It actually boggles my mind the more I think about it, how he beat out Poch for the job.

Think about it, don't get me wrong many people have their reservations about Poch and believe me I'm not happy about a spurs reject. Yet Jose and Antonio top coaches have gone to Spurs. So theoretically Poch not winning anything isn't necessarily down to him as a coach, Levy without a doubt plays a huge factor. Regardless of his time at PSG when you consider the football itself and the actual project at Spurs, Poch actually did create a youthful attacking brand of football exactly what Todd and Co want. 

Whereas GP, might have been making great strides with Brighton, but that's exactly it. They're Brighton not Chelsea. Spurs are closer to Chelsea's level (albeit still far off) in comparison.

That degree of Potter's seems to have been a determining factor for me, because in terms of experience the other main candidate Poch had him beat in all other categories. Better footballing brand, more clear footballing philosophy, experience coaching young players to a high level, actual trophies won in the big 5 leagues (at the time I think ligue 1 may have fallen out of the top 5 now no joke).

Most specifically a league title win, sure it's with Mbappe, Messi and Neymar, but all that goes to prove is he can actually coach and mange top stars of the game. He did take Kane, Son and Ali to cup finals, both domestically and more specifically he reached a UCL final.

Look at the difference in level and then people want to say Potter was the better choice at the time. He got the job because he was an up and coming English manager let's be honest it had more to do with his nationality, his degree and temperament than his actual relevant job experience, proficiency and competence. 

The main point is if you use the fans as reference, they understand something that Boehly just doesn't get because he is still new to this sport in comparison to the majority of the fan base. Providing blind long-term support to a coach without consideration of short-term results that actually span across a long-term period in the context of a season (or half a season) is not a good business model. 

TLDR: Boehly got the appointment wrong plain and simple, doesn't mean Potter doesn't deserve time however provided he can show he's up to the task. Boehly and Co's approach to both the signing and how has he performs will be an early indicator of just how good they are as owners. The hard truth is, it takes real leadership/ownership to admit when you've made a mistake and then to effectively correct the problem. I suspect Boehly may he questioning their choice now, but publicly they back him.

The fact Potter has a 43.5% win percentage shows a complete lack of understanding from the owners of the fundamental aspects of choosing a coach to spearhead their lofty ambitions. How can you expect someone who doesn't win with average players to then win with elite talent. It's  supposed to be the other way around, having a good win percentage with average players is a reflection on your coaching ability. An ability to make average players look world class is a trait you seek in a coach not a coach who makes world class players look average.

Can someone explain to me these Tuchel/Cocaine rumors I am constantly hearing? 

Clearly @RIP Mourinhois suffering from Jorgileavingitus and needed to find a replacement player for him, and that appears to be Mount. And you used to be such an adamant Mase fan....

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Can someone explain to me these Tuchel/Cocaine rumors I am constantly hearing? 

Happy too Scoobie Doo,

 

In the weeks leading up to the sacking of Thomas Tuchel Todd Boehly, better known as "the Todd", had reportedly been a partaker of the "white fairy dust" (credit @Munkworthfor slang name insight 😉 known as cocaine. 

This led to the Todd to believe the timing was perfect to dismiss Tuchel and that hiring Mr. Potter was indeed the perfect replacement.

Whether the Todd was on the "white fairy dust" when we spent 62mill on Marc Cucurella is yet unknown...

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Whether the Todd was on the "white fairy dust" when we spent 62mill on Marc Cucurella is yet unknown...

I think that was the night the Ketamine came out ... 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Clearly @RIP Mourinhois suffering from Jorgileavingitus and needed to find a replacement player for him, and that appears to be Mount. And you used to be such an adamant Mase fan....

I'll always love Mount and hope he signs a new deal with us and the rest of his career here. I'm not blinded by love like others though (Gol and Joginho) and can admit when someone isn't performing. 

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

In the weeks leading up to the sacking of Thomas Tuchel Todd Boehly, better known as "the Todd", had reportedly been a partaker of the "white fairy dust" (credit @Munkworthfor slang name insight 😉 known as cocaine. 

I’ve never partaken of illegal drug powders and I never will. Mother wouldn’t stand for it!

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'll always love Mount and hope he signs a new deal with us and the rest of his career here. I'm not blinded by love like others though (Gol and Joginho) and can admit when someone isn't performing. 

You blamed Jorginho for literally everything, that doesn't mean that I couldn't admit when someone isn't performing at all, you're full of it and no amount of trying to fake being objective will change it...

20 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

You blamed Jorginho for literally everything, that doesn't mean that I couldn't admit when someone isn't performing at all, you're full of it and no amount of trying to fake being objective will change it...

Sorry pal, i'll just say Mount is the best performing player in the squad at the moment and has no issues.

Clown. 🤡

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sorry pal, i'll just say Mount is the best performing player in the squad at the moment and has no issues.

Clown. 🤡

Another projection, clown is your middle name. 

The digs against Gol are getting very tedious, pleeeeeaaaaase stop! I'd almost wish everybody could just post incomprehensible statistics  

6 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Can someone explain to me these Tuchel/Cocaine rumors I am constantly hearing? 

Only way to deal with watching Werner and Havertz try to finish, can't blame him

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Another projection, clown is your middle name. 

Its not, its Anthony.

2 hours ago, Valerie said:

The digs against Gol are getting very tedious, pleeeeeaaaaase stop! I'd almost wish everybody could just post incomprehensible statistics  

I can do both.

11 hours ago, Valerie said:

The digs against Gol are getting very tedious, pleeeeeaaaaase stop! I'd almost wish everybody could just post incomprehensible statistics  

Exactly..

Well said Val

12 hours ago, Valerie said:

The digs against Gol are getting very tedious, pleeeeeaaaaase stop! I'd almost wish everybody could just post incomprehensible statistics  

Wholeheartedly agree.

There are supposed to be some rules on here ... perhaps certain people need a reminder of them from the moderators ?

This one in particular :

3. A forum is about opinions but keep personal insults out of it please. If you need to have a ding dong take it offline. 

Works both ways guys 👍

https://twitter.com/NizaarKinsella/status/1625798189839183882?t=AQuQI5VxMjfHZdAeAl-4pQ&s=19

Pretty impressive. All the hard work and Roman's money has done this....

41 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://twitter.com/NizaarKinsella/status/1625798189839183882?t=AQuQI5VxMjfHZdAeAl-4pQ&s=19

Pretty impressive. All the hard work and Roman's money has done this....

Doesn’t get enough credit. You still have fans having constant digs. 

10 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Doesn’t get enough credit. You still have fans having constant digs. 

Exactly this, for years we got crap from fans, media etc for having no academy players in the first team. Then as soon as we had several there was no mention of it, just basically shut right up. 

8 minutes ago, dkw said:

Exactly this, for years we got crap from fans, media etc for having no academy players in the first team. Then as soon as we had several there was no mention of it, just basically shut right up. 

You know we'd never get credit for anything. We don't even get an apology or explanation from the refs

On 13/02/2023 at 14:05, Sconnie Blue said:

Can someone explain to me these Tuchel/Cocaine rumors I am constantly hearing? 

Aside from the fact he looks like he’s on the Charlie in the touchline, it stems from the fact he went to India for that wellness retreat, of which, does tend to attract a % of clientele who may be going to get off something. In addition to these two things, Simon Jordan stated the real reason Tuchel was sacked would “shock everyone”, after speaking to Boehly himself.

On 13/02/2023 at 21:57, LongtimerLurker said:

Warning ⚠️ 🚨 longer post and my analysis of Potter's appointment within the context of everything that has happened and is going on.

I'll put the TLDR in at the bottom

 

It's so obvious Tuchel lost a portion of the locker room if not all. This is of course my opinion, but looking at the situation detached there's two aspects that stick out to me. Firstly the 100 day assessment bs that I think a lot of people have dismissed as just a cover up story for the real reason. 

Whether it was a bust up with Boehly himself or the squad, the fact Potter was valued so much for his emotional intelligence speaks volumes to me. They chose to replace a serial winner with an individual known for their caring and supportive nature. 

Professional footballers more specifically elite players don't need someone with emotional IQ as their primary trait, they need a winner. Someone they get behind someone with fire, passion and drive, not say what they want from players, but to make it happen.

Boehly and Co will remain at their current stance of backing the coach because 9th isn't seen as disastrous to them. As far as they're concerned we can only go up from here. Whilst we sit mid table half the teams below us ensure no threat of relegation in the immediate future. 

This thinking is flawed, whilst it is important to give time to the coach their approach to Potter is all wrong. Effectively they negate everything good they've done by trying to rebrand Chelsea as a team that sticks by their coach when times get hard as opposed to our well documented history of the last 20 years.

That's all well and fine when you have a coach that is qualified for the job. The truth is Potter just isn't, maybe one day he will be, but the plain simple fact is, he is not right now and assuming he will be in a few years is potentially harmful to the project itself. 

They may have football people in their setup and structure now, but they didn't when they hired Potter and I suspect had they been in place, the Potter appointment would have had a more serious examination before the go ahead was given. It actually boggles my mind the more I think about it, how he beat out Poch for the job.

Think about it, don't get me wrong many people have their reservations about Poch and believe me I'm not happy about a spurs reject. Yet Jose and Antonio top coaches have gone to Spurs. So theoretically Poch not winning anything isn't necessarily down to him as a coach, Levy without a doubt plays a huge factor. Regardless of his time at PSG when you consider the football itself and the actual project at Spurs, Poch actually did create a youthful attacking brand of football exactly what Todd and Co want. 

Whereas GP, might have been making great strides with Brighton, but that's exactly it. They're Brighton not Chelsea. Spurs are closer to Chelsea's level (albeit still far off) in comparison.

That degree of Potter's seems to have been a determining factor for me, because in terms of experience the other main candidate Poch had him beat in all other categories. Better footballing brand, more clear footballing philosophy, experience coaching young players to a high level, actual trophies won in the big 5 leagues (at the time I think ligue 1 may have fallen out of the top 5 now no joke).

Most specifically a league title win, sure it's with Mbappe, Messi and Neymar, but all that goes to prove is he can actually coach and mange top stars of the game. He did take Kane, Son and Ali to cup finals, both domestically and more specifically he reached a UCL final.

Look at the difference in level and then people want to say Potter was the better choice at the time. He got the job because he was an up and coming English manager let's be honest it had more to do with his nationality, his degree and temperament than his actual relevant job experience, proficiency and competence. 

The main point is if you use the fans as reference, they understand something that Boehly just doesn't get because he is still new to this sport in comparison to the majority of the fan base. Providing blind long-term support to a coach without consideration of short-term results that actually span across a long-term period in the context of a season (or half a season) is not a good business model. 

TLDR: Boehly got the appointment wrong plain and simple, doesn't mean Potter doesn't deserve time however provided he can show he's up to the task. Boehly and Co's approach to both the signing and how has he performs will be an early indicator of just how good they are as owners. The hard truth is, it takes real leadership/ownership to admit when you've made a mistake and then to effectively correct the problem. I suspect Boehly may he questioning their choice now, but publicly they back him.

The fact Potter has a 43.5% win percentage shows a complete lack of understanding from the owners of the fundamental aspects of choosing a coach to spearhead their lofty ambitions. How can you expect someone who doesn't win with average players to then win with elite talent. It's  supposed to be the other way around, having a good win percentage with average players is a reflection on your coaching ability. An ability to make average players look world class is a trait you seek in a coach not a coach who makes world class players look average.

Very long post... all of a sudden I see win% coming up everywhere!

Says Potter has won 9 or his 22 league games - current win% therefore 41%

That means he needs to win the next 3 to catch up with Alex Ferguson (arguably the best manager ever) who won 12 of his first 25 with Man Utd - 48%

 

If Potter wins the remaining 16 league games - his win% will leap to 66%

If Potter's win% is measured from the time he had some of our star players available (say the WHU game) and he wins his remaining 16 matches his win% will be 94%!

 

Which confirms statistics are complete bllox and may explain why Todd didn't pay much attention to them 😁

 

 

Edited February 17, 20233 yr by Bebe1980