6 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

"So the coach is like the conductor, and the players are like musicians, and their football boots are like musical instruments, and I am like the guy who hires the conductor, and you've got no unions there, and it's global, so I'm going to the Spanish conductor market to hire a coach, and we'll simply expand the orchestra to fit in the extra musicians, maybe by removing the roof from the concert hall, which is like the stadium, and we'll add a gift shop and rent out the changing rooms because the thing about London is the rental market is there to be exploited, and the musicians, I mean the players, no wait I do mean musicians, can simply change at home before the performance, and what I've learned is that I'm confident we are going to get this right". 

Just 90 seconds in and the fragile billionaire couldn't resist a bit of union bashing. Were it not for the the socialist policies of American sports and the strong players' unions allowing them to rebound, both the Lakers and Dodgers would be relics of the 2000s, only talked about in the same breath as dotcoms, bootcut jeans and Myspace.

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The issue with this argument is that success in this day in age builds a brand image considering the money that has been thrown around since the 90s. Your argument is like asking United fans to feel content with being average considering they were irrelevant for more than 30 years prior to SAFs arrival.  SAF built them to the brand that they are now and standards and expectations have been set. This is the same notion with us, and how Roman built us into the brand we are now. A successful winning club. 

I'm not sure why fans wanting the club to retain these standards and expectations have you lot, who have had the pleasure of supporting this club for as long as you have, to create such animosity and condescending remarks. 

You really do talk bollocks mate Fergie joined them in 86 they have been the biggest English club since Munich that can't be denied. They got relegated in 1974 after 20 years of winning everything nothing lasts forever they never got over Busby leaving. No one wants Chelsea to do badly but some of us have seen it all before I've seen us get relegated three times so we are used to it and if we fall off the pace so be it.

Most of us old fans just can't take new fans seriously when all you do is bitch and moan when we go through a bad patch. So when all the new fans start saying I don't care about the FA or League cup well you will soon cause these are the trophies we will be challenging for the foreseeable. 

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5 hours ago, bluehaze said:

You really do talk bollocks mate Fergie joined them in 86 they have been the biggest English club since Munich that can't be denied. They got relegated in 1974 after 20 years of winning everything nothing lasts forever they never got over Busby leaving. No one wants Chelsea to do badly but some of us have seen it all before I've seen us get relegated three times so we are used to it and if we fall off the pace so be it.

Most of us old fans just can't take new fans seriously when all you do is bitch and moan when we go through a bad patch. So when all the new fans start saying I don't care about the FA or League cup well you will soon cause these are the trophies we will be challenging for the foreseeable. 

…and despite being in the Second Division had the highest attendances. Liverpool may have won the trophies but ManU were/are the biggest club or brand( I hate that name used in football along with project!)

2 hours ago, charierre said:

…and despite being in the Second Division had the highest attendances. Liverpool may have won the trophies but ManU were/are the biggest club or brand( I hate that name used in football along with project!)

Absolutely only chief executives should be worried about the brand not fans. My oldest brother was a Man United fan dropped them like a hot brick when they became a byword for plastic fans. That season they were always on bloody MOTD as well I could probably at a push name their first eleven I hate to say.

14 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Are you going to tell me or post more emojis? I'm interested in hearing you out.

Was in the middle of crafting a response then my phone conked out. Will reply later. 

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Are you going to tell me or post more emojis? I'm interested in hearing you out.

So. Briefly:

- it’s not my intention to be condescending to anyone.

- all I’m really saying is that things CAN get a lot worse - not that they necessarily WILL. Those of us who’ve been around longer are perhaps wiser to that possibility. Bigger clubs than ours have spent decades in the wilderness. How can anyone rule out the same for us?

- re your points on building a brand image. I get that football is now a business and more money-driven than ever before. But talk about putting the cart before the horse! The brand is a secondary factor, a byproduct of the success on the pitch. It’s not like the first thing Roman said to himself when mulling buying Chelsea was “I vant buy football klub to beeld bryend eemeedzh.”

- finally, even if we assume football is all about money and nothing else, we are on much shakier ground here than many realise. Clearlake, Boehly boast a lot of paper wealth, but how “real” is it? I suspect it’s to a significant degree (not completely as Todd and co are by many accounts very able and bright) the product not of their business acumen but a decade-plus period of history that was extraordinarily favourable to people taking risk with borrowed money. This paper wealth can evaporate quickly, as has been proven many times (though we still never learn) and the chances of that happening have, in my view, greatly increased as a result of their reckless spending since they took over Chelsea. 

I suppose the writing was on the wall when Petr Cech didnt want to be part of this exciting new project. 

It's hard to imagine we wouldve been in this position if Boehly made no changes, incoming or outgoing. 

13 hours ago, bluehaze said:

You really do talk bollocks mate Fergie joined them in 86 they have been the biggest English club since Munich that can't be denied. They got relegated in 1974 after 20 years of winning everything nothing lasts forever they never got over Busby leaving. No one wants Chelsea to do badly but some of us have seen it all before I've seen us get relegated three times so we are used to it and if we fall off the pace so be it.

Most of us old fans just can't take new fans seriously when all you do is bitch and moan when we go through a bad patch. So when all the new fans start saying I don't care about the FA or League cup well you will soon cause these are the trophies we will be challenging for the foreseeable. 

Of course nothing lasts forever but I made it clear in argument that the formation of the Premier League changed everything. United won at the right time and with the money that was now being thrown around established themselves as a dominate club and worldwide brand for the next 20-25 years, when before that they witnessed relegation and hadn't challenged for the league in almost 30 years. Expectations and standards have been set on a whole new scale. Thus why I don't agree with Dean's assessment because by his logic these United fans should feel content with being where they are now as prior to Fergie they hadn't really challenged.  

I f**king love the FA Cup. 

2 hours ago, Dean said:

So. Briefly:

- it’s not my intention to be condescending to anyone.

- all I’m really saying is that things CAN get a lot worse - not that they necessarily WILL. Those of us who’ve been around longer are perhaps wiser to that possibility. Bigger clubs than ours have spent decades in the wilderness. How can anyone rule out the same for us?

- re your points on building a brand image. I get that football is now a business and more money-driven than ever before. But talk about putting the cart before the horse! The brand is a secondary factor, a byproduct of the success on the pitch. It’s not like the first thing Roman said to himself when mulling buying Chelsea was “I vant buy football klub to beeld bryend eemeedzh.”

- finally, even if we assume football is all about money and nothing else, we are on much shakier ground here than many realise. Clearlake, Boehly boast a lot of paper wealth, but how “real” is it? I suspect it’s to a significant degree (not completely as Todd and co are by many accounts very able and bright) the product not of their business acumen but a decade-plus period of history that was extraordinarily favourable to people taking risk with borrowed money. This paper wealth can evaporate quickly, as has been proven many times (though we still never learn) and the chances of that happening have, in my view, greatly increased as a result of their reckless spending since they took over Chelsea. 

Things definitely can get worse and I am expecting even the start of next season to be pretty rocky. Managing expectations I understand, but alternating them completely because of what the club were 30 years ago I don't agree with. 

I don't understand what the gist of this argument is. You should never forget your roots, but expectations do change.

Once you have become a big club, there's pretty much no going back.

If you don't want to look at ManU, look at Milan instead. What were they before Sacchi? A club of the good old glory days of the 60s, relegated and only holding on due to nostalgia and the Milan Derby.

Five years later, 4 Scudettos and 3 European Cups. Once you do that, there's no alternative than to keep winning. It's big club mentality that settles in, it's football heritage that develops as someone likes to say. Milan went through a rough patch in the 2010's just like ManU. Did you ever see either of them giving up on their ambitions?

Milan is in the semis for the first time in a long while, and the attitude is "we'll fight for this, been there done that". This is big club mentality, dusty trophy cabinets and rough times don't make a heavy jersey lighter.

Chelsea in the last 20 years has won the league 4 times and experienced European glory twice. You're just not content with good FA cup runs after that, if you are then you failed to transition to a big club. But I don't think this is the case.

We are Chelsea, we are lions. We have fought, and we have won.

And we'll do it again no matter how dire current circumstances seem.

Finally managed to find the clip of the quote that keeps popping into my head every week this season.

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Of course nothing lasts forever but I made it clear in argument that the formation of the Premier League changed everything. United won at the right time and with the money that was now being thrown around established themselves as a dominate club and worldwide brand for the next 20-25 years, when before that they witnessed relegation and hadn't challenged for the league in almost 30 years. Expectations and standards have been set on a whole new scale. Thus why I don't agree with Dean's assessment because by his logic these United fans should feel content with being where they are now as prior to Fergie they hadn't really challenged.  

I f**king love the FA Cup. 

Things definitely can get worse and I am expecting even the start of next season to be pretty rocky. Managing expectations I understand, but alternating them completely because of what the club were 30 years ago I don't agree with. 

Impossible to know for sure but look at Manchester United since Fergie left and some comparisons can be drawn. While they won the league towards the end under Fergie, the rot had already set in, and the signs were there that a major rebuild was needed. Plus they were terribly run by the Glazers. Since then it has been over a decade with many managers, and United have not come close to winning the league again. They have had a few seasons where they looked to be improving but they still look more likely to compete for domestic cups and maybe Europa if anything. Not exactly worrying about relegation but also nowhere near the force that they were under Fergie. We will hopefully improve next season but we should also be realistic. The frustrating thing this season is that, while Potter was clearly not the right manager for the long term, he seemed to be at least figuring out his preferred team, and our football was improving. I think had the owners let him see out the season we might have at least seen some decent football from our team for the remaining of the season, even if we would have ultimately finished mid-table.

17 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Impossible to know for sure but look at Manchester United since Fergie left and some comparisons can be drawn. While they won the league towards the end under Fergie, the rot had already set in, and the signs were there that a major rebuild was needed. Plus they were terribly run by the Glazers. Since then it has been over a decade with many managers, and United have not come close to winning the league again. They have had a few seasons where they looked to be improving but they still look more likely to compete for domestic cups and maybe Europa if anything. Not exactly worrying about relegation but also nowhere near the force that they were under Fergie. We will hopefully improve next season but we should also be realistic. The frustrating thing this season is that, while Potter was clearly not the right manager for the long term, he seemed to be at least figuring out his preferred team, and our football was improving. I think had the owners let him see out the season we might have at least seen some decent football from our team for the remaining of the season, even if we would have ultimately finished mid-table.

Expectations for sure need to be managed. At this point in time I can see issues still lingering at the start of next season as I don't believe we will sell a lot of these players and Boehly's habitual tendency of doing 3 stupid things after 1 good thing. 

 

if we had signed haaland I think.we would have scored about 10 goals in all competitions by now..

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Expectations for sure need to be managed. At this point in time I can see issues still lingering at the start of next season as I don't believe we will sell a lot of these players and Boehly's habitual tendency of doing 3 stupid things after 1 good thing. 

 

I think it will be hard to sell all the players that we plan to. That may then lead to us being forced to loan out players that might have stayed with the club next season, just to keep the playing squad to a manageable number. I think the oversized squad has been one of the big issues this season. A busy summer ahead for sure.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Impossible to know for sure but look at Manchester United since Fergie left and some comparisons can be drawn. While they won the league towards the end under Fergie, the rot had already set in, and the signs were there that a major rebuild was needed. Plus they were terribly run by the Glazers. Since then it has been over a decade with many managers, and United have not come close to winning the league again. They have had a few seasons where they looked to be improving but they still look more likely to compete for domestic cups and maybe Europa if anything. Not exactly worrying about relegation but also nowhere near the force that they were under Fergie. We will hopefully improve next season but we should also be realistic. The frustrating thing this season is that, while Potter was clearly not the right manager for the long term, he seemed to be at least figuring out his preferred team, and our football was improving. I think had the owners let him see out the season we might have at least seen some decent football from our team for the remaining of the season, even if we would have ultimately finished mid-table.

If i recall TB wanted him to stay yet others in his clique wanted Potter gone and then the SB faithful let their feelings be known. Of course now Frank is in charge the realisation that Potter was terrible is wrong he just the wrong selection at the time.

If you decide to support a successful club that you have no geographical or family supporting links with, the chances are the are, that the long supporting/ match going fans will welcome you and tolerate you until you start moaning like f**k when results start going wrong.

 

The reason it was voted deal of the decade is simple Todd Boehly  is looking to crash Chelsea move the club to a different location  then they are left with an area ready to develop worth billions   its the only reason that makes any sense  because billion air investors dont act the way they have its impossible for business men with there resources to  act the way they have unless it has been deliberately done  

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2 hours ago, Fruit Bat said:

If you decide to support a successful club that you have no geographical or family supporting links with, the chances are the are, that the long supporting/ match going fans will welcome you and tolerate you until you start moaning like f**k when results start going wrong.

 

But they are allowed to do the same? The fan elitism of late is getting really boring. You're not better fans because of certain circumstances. Those same fans you're talking about can't even fill up the stadium these days. Stamford Bridge is dead with fans leaving in their tens of thousands 30 minutes before the match ends. So those match going fans are in no position to just be "tolerating" others when they can't even be bothered to cheer the team on from the stadium and bail out when things aren't going well.

2 hours ago, Fruit Bat said:

If you decide to support a successful club that you have no geographical or family supporting links with, the chances are the are, that the long supporting/ match going fans will welcome you and tolerate you until you start moaning like f**k when results start going wrong.

 

You talking about the same group that chanted f**k Sarriball and given Jorginho all ends of stick when we were "only" challenging for top 4?

If you want to have a stance like that fine but atleast make it a blanket rule.

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Rory f**king Jennings is a CPO and wanted Tuchel out in early August. 

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Rory f**king Jennings is a CPO and wanted Tuchel out in early August. 

He has already started the "we can't have a Tottenham man" crap with Pochettino.

Quick Google search and i rather predictably catch him contradicting himself.

He should stick to Eastenders.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

But they are allowed to do the same? The fan elitism of late is getting really boring. You're not better fans because of certain circumstances. Those same fans you're talking about can't even fill up the stadium these days. Stamford Bridge is dead with fans leaving in their tens of thousands 30 minutes before the match ends. So those match going fans are in no position to just be "tolerating" others when they can't even be bothered to cheer the team on from the stadium and bail out when things aren't going well.

So what are you saying match going fans who spend money on the club, travel etc are a bunch of arseholes and fans who watch in their homes on streams are on equal standing ?. If you think that did you enjoy watching football under lockdown because I bloody didn't and if you have such little time for fans who turn up every week there's a simple solution spend some money and go down to the Bridge and see what it's like. How many home games have we won not many then see if you would be cheering the team on and staying to the end. I honestly think and loads will disagree it's 2023 and things are different now but no armchair fan can have a go at a match going fan doesn't matter if he or she supports Chelsea or Boreham Wood. 

3 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

So what are you saying match going fans who spend money on the club, travel etc are a bunch of arseholes and fans who watch in their homes on streams are on equal standing ?. If you think that did you enjoy watching football under lockdown because I bloody didn't and if you have such little time for fans who turn up every week there's a simple solution spend some money and go down to the Bridge and see what it's like. How many home games have we won not many then see if you would be cheering the team on and staying to the end. I honestly think and loads will disagree it's 2023 and things are different now but no armchair fan can have a go at a match going fan doesn't matter if he or she supports Chelsea or Boreham Wood. 

Oh so you don't like it when I call out the faults of others but it's perfectly okay for some of you lot to constantly have a go at fans that can't go to games because of circumstances that may be out of their control? and no, I don't think they are arseholes, but they ain't perfect either, so why don't they just wind their neck in and cut out the elitist crap.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

He has already started the "we can't have a Tottenham man" crap with Pochettino.

Quick Google search and i rather predictably catch him contradicting himself.

He should stick to Eastenders.

He’s an absolute bellend!!