February 9, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said: Yeah and Todd was forced to select Clearlake to add to the consortium he had already put together before they were on the scene, right? He made this bed, he went in to bed with a hedge fund. His hands are as covered in blood as theirs are.
February 9, 20251 yr 22 minutes ago, axman2526 said: Yeah and Todd was forced to select Clearlake to add to the consortium he had already put together before they were on the scene, right? He made this bed, he went in to bed with a hedge fund. His hands are as covered in blood as theirs are. Todd didn't have the money on his own. Isn't he only something like a 10% shareholder? Pretty sure he has been pushed to a back seat since that first season. It is Egbahli etc. calling the shorts along with the SD's that they put in place.
February 9, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, OneTommyLangley said: The Blue Co business model is not working. They came in full of confidence with their strategy of buying up young talent and selling them on for huge profits, they even announced to the market what they were going to do. They selected experts in the recruitment area and so it began. They had done it before nothing could be more simple. Then reality struck. This market is different to theirs and they don't control it. Everyone has seen them coming and increased their prices for their young players. The players have not been selected for footballing reasons related to a premier league squad. The players values have now gone down because of the unbalanced squad/ erratic performance of the squad. They wish to offload these under performing players but can't sell them for profit so they loan them out to minimise the loss. Or keep them and let their value fall further, all the while tying up funds leaving them close to PSR limits. Selling homegrown talent and one or two gems will provide some relief. New managers players even sporting directors won't change this, the model doesn't work. At some point there will be a new or heavily modified model. Case studies for them in no particular order could include Trevor Chalobah Keirnan Dewsbury Hall Christopher Nkunku Conor Gallagher Raheem Sterling Caesar Casedei Axel Disasi And so on and on and on Unfortunately I think this is very accurate. Homegrown players like Conor (and probably Chalobah in the summer) had to pushed out as they were the only ways to bring profit in and balance some of the terrible decisions that have been made. The vast majority of players have been loaned out to at least try to cover wages. With loan rules set to tighten in the years ahead that option will only narrow too. Then we have all these duds on long term deals. Maybe we get lucky and sell the odd one to Saudi but we are set to make a big loss on a lot of these. Even if we disregard potential PSR issues I highly doubt the hedge funds will want to absorb those losses. I suspect they will ultimately cash in on the crown jewel in Palmer to balance some of the financial disasters. That might even come sooner rather than later given the current malaise at the club.
February 9, 20251 yr 21 minutes ago, forbzy said: Todd didn't have the money on his own. Isn't he only something like a 10% shareholder? Pretty sure he has been pushed to a back seat since that first season. It is Egbahli etc. calling the shorts along with the SD's that they put in place. Exactly. He and Walters did not have enough money on their own to satisfy what the British Government/Raine Group were asking for so they went out and got in Clearlake, giving them majority power. A hedge fund put in power, who have shareholders to answer to who expect returns on their investments. A hedge fund who, through Co owner Feliciano, made it clear that "business success is more important than sporting achievement" very early on after they bought the club No one forced Todd and Walters to bring in Clearlake, they did it because the opportunity was too great to pass up. The opportunity to get a PL club at a cut price to make money. If they wanted a successful sporting team then they should have used their connections in the middle east to find someone more concerned with that than making money. They did not, they brought in a firm that priorities are making money. You cannot absolve them of blame, because it is blatantly untrue.
February 9, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, axman2526 said: Don't believe that 10 year no sale clause mate. Is garbage, they could sell today if they wanted to. That's it mate. I was looking at this recently and read that it's not clear who would be responsible for enforcing the conditions in the contract. The answer was basically " it's not clear whether it's anyone's responsibility or even if it's actually enforceable ". That recent BBC radio 4 " investigation " into Abramovich was full of nonsense about our club. It said that the Government " allowed" RA to sell our club, as if it was some sort of goodwill gesture. It was a rushed, forced, illegal sale and I've no doubt that contracts were drawn up in a similar fashion.. I am still furious about how our club were treated. f**king furious actually..
February 9, 20251 yr 29 minutes ago, axman2526 said: Exactly. He and Walters did not have enough money on their own to satisfy what the British Government/Raine Group were asking for so they went out and got in Clearlake, giving them majority power. A hedge fund put in power, who have shareholders to answer to who expect returns on their investments. A hedge fund who, through Co owner Feliciano, made it clear that "business success is more important than sporting achievement" very early on after they bought the club No one forced Todd and Walters to bring in Clearlake, they did it because the opportunity was too great to pass up. The opportunity to get a PL club at a cut price to make money. If they wanted a successful sporting team then they should have used their connections in the middle east to find someone more concerned with that than making money. They did not, they brought in a firm that priorities are making money. You cannot absolve them of blame, because it is blatantly untrue. Todd brought in ClearLake literally at the last minute deadline for bids to buy the club. That's how rushed and badly organised the sale was. And what an opportunity, probably the only regular Champions League club ever who were suddenly free of all debt.
February 9, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, terraloon said: I am not sure of the legal requirements when it comes to ST holders but they will know pre season that they are guaranteed a ticket for all PL games and with 99.99% certainty they know the location of the seat one of the lads that has two ST behind us in the WSL is rarely at games nowadays and his seats are occupied . I very much doubt the occupants are listed in his ticket account so his tickets one way or the otherwise are sold on. For reference you can go into many of the resale sights and get tickets look here at Ticombo https://www.ticombo.com/en/sports-tickets/football-tickets/premier-league?p=7&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADEUh9enxIH6YF_3p84COl3to-DkG&gclid=CjwKCAiAwaG9BhAREiwAdhv6Y4aET_q_lWC8HhDOxSB3pkZ3x8ZLfyTt8GsxdJYaDOYtGfr4jE7nCxoCSUUQAvD_BwE Ticombo aren’t an authorised agency but look at the number of tickets they are offering for games toward the end of the season and certainly not on general sale yet at most clubs. I'm not sure how ST holder's seats can be available months in advance? It's got to be tickets that should be available for members ? I can forward or list my ticket , but only a short time before a game. Is there a way that I could make my seat available for resale on a ticketing site way in advance of a game , or even for the next game come to that ? I tried to move from MHL to WSL, but the club said as they were late renewing ST's they wouldn't do it unless I had a proven medical condition. Hopefully I can get the move next season, can't stand safe standing anymore !
February 9, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, axman2526 said: Exactly. He and Walters did not have enough money on their own to satisfy what the British Government/Raine Group were asking for so they went out and got in Clearlake, giving them majority power. A hedge fund put in power, who have shareholders to answer to who expect returns on their investments. A hedge fund who, through Co owner Feliciano, made it clear that "business success is more important than sporting achievement" very early on after they bought the club No one forced Todd and Walters to bring in Clearlake, they did it because the opportunity was too great to pass up. The opportunity to get a PL club at a cut price to make money. If they wanted a successful sporting team then they should have used their connections in the middle east to find someone more concerned with that than making money. They did not, they brought in a firm that priorities are making money. You cannot absolve them of blame, because it is blatantly untrue. Fair point. Boehly and Walters would not have been in the running had it not been for Clearlake. But there were other bidders who perhaps didn't have hedge fund managers dominating.
February 9, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said: Todd brought in ClearLake literally at the last minute deadline for bids to buy the club. That's how rushed and badly organised the sale was. And what an opportunity, probably the only regular Champions League club ever who were suddenly free of all debt. The rushed nature of the sale was of course courtesy of the UK government.
February 9, 20251 yr 24 minutes ago, forbzy said: Fair point. Boehly and Walters would not have been in the running had it not been for Clearlake. But there were other bidders who perhaps didn't have hedge fund managers dominating. Boehly was in the bid to buy Chelsea and only brought in ClearLake just before the deadline. I don't think he didn't have the money, because he has. It's about spreading risk .
February 9, 20251 yr From the Finance Times , one of the advisors on the sale of Chelsea explaining the motivation of why were seen as a good investment. "In contrast, the Premier League is a truly global product watched in 190 countries with a season that lasts nine months. So the owners believe there are significant avenues yet to be explored. “There is a huge spread in media revenue,” says another person close to the Chelsea consortium. “That’s the opportunity.” Closing that gap could be crucial to fulfilling the prediction made by Raine Group banker Joe Ravitch, who advised on the sale of the club. He previously told the Financial Times that “Chelsea and all of the top Premier League clubs will [each] probably be worth in excess of $10bn in five years”.
February 9, 20251 yr If you believe all our clubs problems are down to having Maresca as our manager, congratulations you have been manipulated by the PR. If you believe all our clubs problems are down to the sporting directors, congratulations you have been manipulated by the PR. If you believe all our clubs problems are down to a civil war between the owners ideals, congratulations you have been manipulated by the PR. There is one truth, Todd's bid was going to fail, other bidders were ahead so he sold out to Clearlake to win. That's the same Todd Boehly who is on 20mill a year to be our "chairman", and there is the while Vivid Seats fiasco. So lastly if you believe all our clubs problems are only Clearlakes fault and Todd would be our savior, congratulations you have been manipulated by the PR. They are all in it together, they all are responsible, they all need to get out!
February 9, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said: I'm not sure how ST holder's seats can be available months in advance? It's got to be tickets that should be available for members ? I can forward or list my ticket , but only a short time before a game. Is there a way that I could make my seat available for resale on a ticketing site way in advance of a game , or even for the next game come to that ? I tried to move from MHL to WSL, but the club said as they were late renewing ST's they wouldn't do it unless I had a proven medical condition. Hopefully I can get the move next season, can't stand safe standing anymore ! Going by the price of these Vivid Seats tickets maybe you misheard them, and they said a wealth condition rather than a health condition.
February 9, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said: I'm not sure how ST holder's seats can be available months in advance? It's got to be tickets that should be available for members ? I can forward or list my ticket , but only a short time before a game. Is there a way that I could make my seat available for resale on a ticketing site way in advance of a game , or even for the next game come to that ? I tried to move from MHL to WSL, but the club said as they were late renewing ST's they wouldn't do it unless I had a proven medical condition. Hopefully I can get the move next season, can't stand safe standing anymore ! You can list your ST on the Chelsea ticket exchange an hour or so after tickets are made available to members which is meant to be 42 days prior to the match. As I said I am far from sure as to a ST legal rights but in your instance you know that you have a ticket for all the games and you alone decide if you are going to games . If you decide say not go to the last game of the season you could list your season ticket for sale on a resale site . As for you moving I did it once and to be honest it went very smoothly and I couldn’t fault the process but I applied to do it the day renewals started Edited February 9, 20251 yr by terraloon
February 9, 20251 yr 17 minutes ago, terraloon said: You can list your ST on the Chelsea ticket exchange an hour or so after tickets are made available to members which is meant to be 42 days prior to the match. As I said I am far from sure as to a ST legal rights but in your instance you know that you have a ticket for all the games and you alone decide if you are going to games . If you decide say not go to the last game of the season you could list your season ticket for sale on a resale site . As for you moving I did it once and to be honest it went very smoothly and I couldn’t fault the process but I applied to do it the day renewals started But how does a resale ticket site actually get my ticket ? Unless I send them my ST swipe card I can't see how any ticket site can actually get their hands on a ST seat to resell it ? Yeah I've moved before and it was fine. It's just that last season they said they were strapped for time to consider seat moves. Edited February 9, 20251 yr by The Rising Sun
February 9, 20251 yr 16 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said: But how does a resale ticket site actually get my ticket ? Unless I send them my ST swipe card I can't see how any ticket site can actually get their hands on a ST seat to resell it ? Yeah I've moved before and it was fine. It's just that last season they said they were strapped for time to consider seat moves. Where there is a will there’s a way. For instance there could be an agreement with the purchaser that they hand it over to the chap that sits next to you and he for a £10 posts it on to you or maybe meets you by the Ossie statue and gives it to you. Not suggesting for one second that people are acting 100% or indeed some tickets that are given as part of commercial partnerships or indeed to players don’t end up of re sale sites but what do the6 say if it can happen it will happen
February 9, 20251 yr You know, even under Potter when things were god awful and we couldn't even score, there was the slight ray of hope that it would come good in the end, because it was all knew, signing all these young players, and maybe they would all gel eventually. But now we're seeing the real fruits of the system they';ve implemented, and they're just not interested in doing well, only in making profits, and filling the backroom with yes-men who will just do as they are told. I've never felt this uninterested in Chelsea games and the club in general. I don't even watch them fully any more, they are usually on a 2nd monitor while I do something else, since I know we'll lose anyway. Couldn't give a toss that we're top 4 at the moment, it won't last. Even if they sack the manager, nothing will change really because they don't want it to. They'll continue signing random teenagers in the hopes of making a profit on them and draining what money they can out the club in other ways.
February 9, 20251 yr 14 minutes ago, Zeta said: You know, even under Potter when things were god awful and we couldn't even score, there was the slight ray of hope that it would come good in the end, because it was all knew, signing all these young players, and maybe they would all gel eventually. But now we're seeing the real fruits of the system they';ve implemented, and they're just not interested in doing well, only in making profits, and filling the backroom with yes-men who will just do as they are told. I've never felt this uninterested in Chelsea games and the club in general. I don't even watch them fully any more, they are usually on a 2nd monitor while I do something else, since I know we'll lose anyway. Couldn't give a toss that we're top 4 at the moment, it won't last. Even if they sack the manager, nothing will change really because they don't want it to. They'll continue signing random teenagers in the hopes of making a profit on them and draining what money they can out the club in other ways. Is good to see that others are seeing this and are not afraid to speak the truth. We have one true enemy at this club, the enemy of true football fans. The blood sucking leeches that drain our club each and every day. That would happily see all of you who go to home and away games replaced by tourists because they care only for money, not your loyalty to Chelsea FC. Forget Maresca, the players, the SDs. This whole consortium is our enemy and we need to be united to force them out and win our club back.
February 9, 20251 yr I am not a UK native and can literally do sh*t about this but maybe our match going fans can unite, similarly to what United's fans were doing, in attempt to force the leeches out. I refuse to believe there isn't an interested party out their who would not be willing to field like 3.5bn for a global brand like our so that these consortiums are kicked out and we start fresh? I would not mind spending a few more seasons trophyless as long as there is a clear idea in what we are doing and are making steps getting back to the top unlike now where most fans want to leave the stadium or turn the TVs off around 30th minute as they know damn well what awaits.
February 10, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, Hensi said: I am not a UK native and can literally do sh*t about this but maybe our match going fans can unite, similarly to what United's fans were doing, in attempt to force the leeches out. I refuse to believe there isn't an interested party out their who would not be willing to field like 3.5bn for a global brand like our so that these consortiums are kicked out and we start fresh? I would not mind spending a few more seasons trophyless as long as there is a clear idea in what we are doing and are making steps getting back to the top unlike now where most fans want to leave the stadium or turn the TVs off around 30th minute as they know damn well what awaits. Yes. We need the match going fans, and those local to west London, to carry the fight to the owners the way we did to kill the first version of the super league. Please save our club.
February 10, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said: Sorted mate. Yeah I already put that story forward in the Maresca thread. Worked well for helping Potter...
February 10, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said: Sorted mate. This has to be the football equivalent of HR making everyone attend a 2 hour seminar on how to manage stress during their lunch break. I'm sure the players hate it and instantly wish they were at any other club every time these "winning mentality" experts speak to them.
February 10, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said: Sorted mate. Im just hoping Willie has been signed to kick the sh*t out of any player that makes stupid mistakes. Just go full Casino on Sanchez as a warning to anyone who mucks up in the future.
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