8 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Now I am not one to deny that I have said some dumb things over the years, some of them on here. However asking that question is not one of them.

Have you, in your entire time as football fan, never heard another football fan of any team ever say anything like "I hope we lose this weekend so we can get rid of that useless w*nk*r"? Or "I hope he keeps picking players x and a, his favorites, cause their sh*t and they will get him out the door faster and we can get a proper manager in"?

If not, then count yourself lucky because I have heard it from fans of various teams, including ours, United, Liverpool etc.

I dont know you, Brutos or anyone on here personally to know if anybody on here would share views like those or not in the private of their own lives, so I asked the question.

To some people being proven right in their views that player b or manager c is not good enough for their team is a better option than them proving they are good enough so they can feel smug.

Yes I have heard that and fans like that are complete idiots. Just because you don't like a manager for who he is, you want him to fail rather than succeed and be Chelsea great.

Your point was different though. You assumed in your quote that the poster wanted lamps to fail when it certainly didn't read like that. Quite clearly from reading this subject, everyone wants lamps to succeed but cannot see it happening and don't think he has the capability at this stage of his young managerial career to take us forward. Just because he's a legend its seen as a crime to want him to get sacked. But wanting us to lose just so he goes? I dont think so. There are Utd fans who still don't rate Ole. Now they are up into 2nd I dont think for one minute they want to go on a 10 game losing streak just so he gets sacked.

8 hours ago, Coxy15 said:

Hand on Heart, I said this every week when the Spanish waiter was here!

And that quite frankly from a large portion of our fans was so over the top and embarrassing. All because at one time he was a rival and said we wave plastic flags. As long as you try your best at the club, no matter what your history, you should be supported. If not, then take the same approach to Cesc who played for a rival and had run ins on the pitch with our players 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

And that quite frankly from a large portion of our fans was so over the top and embarrassing. All because at one time he was a rival and said we wave plastic flags. As long as you try your best at the club, no matter what your history, you should be supported. If not, then take the same approach to Cesc who played for a rival and had run ins on the pitch with our players 

Samuel Eto'o too, he made no secret of his distain for us when he played for Barcelona, he reportedly said "I'd rather sell groundnuts in my village than to play for a pathetic team like Chelsea" and supposedly threatened to retire had we won the CL (the season we dumped them out).

Reports say that Allegri had an interview with the club already. Lampard needs to turn things around fast.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Reports say that Allegri had an interview with the club already. Lampard needs to turn things around fast.

Was expecting that. He is the obvious name to be linked. Why not get him ahead of Lamps last season though?

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Reports say that Allegri had an interview with the club already. Lampard needs to turn things around fast.

The only report I see is from the frickin Express who are massive bullsh*tters even by tabloid standards.

On 07/01/2021 at 10:38, Sindre said:

This one?

I very much agree with you. Not sure if it's Kante forgetting that he can't go ball-chasing as the CDM or if it's instructions from the manager but i can't quite believe it's the latter as that would be quite amateurish.

This is something we have been doing for a few years now. I don't know how this keeps happening, but even under Sarri we were doing this. It's like the squad thinks pressing as a team means that everybody must charge at one player. 

If nobody is going to hold their position, then what chance have we got? 

On 08/01/2021 at 23:14, KonaKai Blue said:

And that quite frankly from a large portion of our fans was so over the top and embarrassing. All because at one time he was a rival and said we wave plastic flags. As long as you try your best at the club, no matter what your history, you should be supported. If not, then take the same approach to Cesc who played for a rival and had run ins on the pitch with our players 

That wasn't the only thing. There was a lot of bad blood between Chelsea and Liverpool during his time at the club and he played a big part in that. He had a good chance to at least gain some support by criticising Suarez after he sunk his teeth into Ivanovic, but his only reaction to that was that he didn't see it. That is something you expect to hear the opposition manager say when they try and protect their own players. It's not something you expect to hear from one of your own. The fans were already massively against him, this nothing response to a player that cost us 3 points just made things much worse.

Then there was the weird exclusion of Terry. Our defence was in desperate need of improvement and leadership, but instead of bringing Terry back into the team permanently, Benitez was saying he couldn't play 2 times a week anymore. So not only did Benitez not stick up for the team, but he also lied to the fans about about the fitness of arguably the best player to ever play for the club. And we know this was a lie because Mourinho came in after him and played Terry in pretty much every game for the next two seasons.

The difference between the likes of Benitez and Fabregas is that Fabregas actually tried to get the fans on his side, and he did that with his football, his passion and the way he would speak about the club. If Benitez at least tried to do any of this, maybe the fans wouldn't have been as hard on him as they were.

Edited January 10, 20215 yr by Scott Harris

Franks statistically our worse manager in the abramovic era. 
 

I want to have confidence in him abd I think there’s a good manager in there but I think he is so naive sometimes and it just comes down to experience.

We have a really strong team we need to see some return on the investments the club made. 
 

I think he gets until the end of the season let’s just hope to salvage too 4. 
 

 

1 hour ago, SFL82 said:

Franks statistically our worse manager in the abramovic era. 
 

I want to have confidence in him abd I think there’s a good manager in there but I think he is so naive sometimes and it just comes down to experience.

We have a really strong team we need to see some return on the investments the club made. 
 

I think he gets until the end of the season let’s just hope to salvage too 4. 
 

 

Frank's statistically the only manager to manage during a global pandemic also.

On 08/01/2021 at 10:52, coco said:

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2020/05/20/tactical-philosophy-frank-lampard/

Cheers, thanks for adding link

2 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Franks statistically our worse manager in the abramovic era. 
 

I want to have confidence in him abd I think there’s a good manager in there but I think he is so naive sometimes and it just comes down to experience.

We have a really strong team we need to see some return on the investments the club made. 
 

I think he gets until the end of the season let’s just hope to salvage too 4. 
 

 

The name at the top of the chart just go to prove that stats sometimes don't mean very much.

Lamps is managing a very different young  new team  , compared to a team that managed itself

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Frank's statistically the only manager to manage during a global pandemic also.

It's a whole different league nowadays. a decade ago it was a much less competitive division, you could bank on beating the bottom half dozen, but now you just cant call any match with any confidence, not just us.

16 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The name at the top of the chart just go to prove that stats sometimes don't mean very much.

Lamps is managing a very different young  new team  , compared to a team that managed itself

Nah, sorry mate but it's official,  Avram Grant is the best manager we ever had....the statistics prove it, no arguments. 

I remember that season under Grant, it was obvious he didn’t really have a clue. I thought the leaders in the team really stood up and taken the bull by horns. It was great to see.

On 07/01/2021 at 15:57, dansubrosa said:

How? We also had RLC entering into his prime, he was a monster.

No way Lampard’s team is better than Sarri. I’m talking about last season, I don’t see how you can make comparisons when the season isn’t even finished. We could end up winning the league or getting relegated for all we know.

Season in the championship would be great fun, be all old skool again

4 hours ago, SFL82 said:

 

You need to consider the amount of games as well when looking at this stat, which would help when coming to a conclusion.

For me this shows that we had almost no patience with most of our previous managers!

Lampard is one of the very few that had more than 50 games in charge, only Mourinho, Conte and Ancelotti had over 50 games in charge part from Lampard and look at their PPG, all have above 2PPG and yet we were so fast to give up on them, obviously Jose finishing 10th ruined his record but Conte and Ancelotti did a great job.

This is exactly why we need to give more time to Lampard to improve.

Edited January 10, 20215 yr by Gol15

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Nah, sorry mate but it's official,  Avram Grant is the best manager we ever had....the statistics prove it, no arguments. 

We should name a stand after him !

15 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

We should name a stand after him !

The CAB stand...

3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

The name at the top of the chart just go to prove that stats sometimes don't mean very much.

Lamps is managing a very different young  new team  , compared to a team that managed itself

Context and common sense. We all know Avram was managing a team like any guy could do with the current Bayern squad. We also know that Lamps is worse off than last season after being backed in the transfer market. Guaranteed had the board not backed him and signed no one or average players, people will be using that very same excuse (not being backed in the transfer market) for our poor season so far.

7 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

That wasn't the only thing. There was a lot of bad blood between Chelsea and Liverpool during his time at the club and he played a big part in that. He had a good chance to at least gain some support by criticising Suarez after he sunk his teeth into Ivanovic, but his only reaction to that was that he didn't see it. That is something you expect to hear the opposition manager say when they try and protect their own players. It's not something you expect to hear from one of your own. The fans were already massively against him, this nothing response to a player that cost us 3 points just made things much worse.

Then there was the weird exclusion of Terry. Our defence was in desperate need of improvement and leadership, but instead of bringing Terry back into the team permanently, Benitez was saying he couldn't play 2 times a week anymore. So not only did Benitez not stick up for the team, but he also lied to the fans about about the fitness of arguably the best player to ever play for the club. And we know this was a lie because Mourinho came in after him and played Terry in pretty much every game for the next two seasons.

The difference between the likes of Benitez and Fabregas is that Fabregas actually tried to get the fans on his side, and he did that with his football, his passion and the way he would speak about the club. If Benitez at least tried to do any of this, maybe the fans wouldn't have been as hard on him as they were.

Gotta disagree with you there mate. The damage. As soon as Cesc walked into Stamford Bridge, he was lauded. Same goes for Eto. Fans were optimistic, happy and the atmosphere was good.

Let's be honest here, the fans were upset that RDM was fired, couldn't take it out on Roman, so the scapegoat was Rafa who wasn't popular. I've never heard the Bridge boo so loud for anything (his game in charge vs City), not even after Clattenburg screwed us.

The point you made for Suarez is irrelevant because that was many months later and even if he did back Ivan, it wouldn't have made any difference or only slight at least. Just like him winning the Europa didn't make much of a difference. The fans were hard on him from the onset, over something so trivial.

I wasn't happy with his appointment and I was angry at him that we didn't win the World Club Cup, its just the booing and lack of appreciation for winning the Europa Leaghe that irks me.

6 hours ago, SFL82 said:

Franks statistically our worse manager in the abramovic era. 
 

I want to have confidence in him abd I think there’s a good manager in there but I think he is so naive sometimes and it just comes down to experience.

We have a really strong team we need to see some return on the investments the club made. 
 

I think he gets until the end of the season let’s just hope to salvage too 4. 
 

 

Anyone that believes this table is not a football watching fan. Grant managed the best Chelsea generation at their prime whilst Lampard is rebuilding a new one in harsher circumstances. 

2 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Gotta disagree with you there mate. The damage. As soon as Cesc walked into Stamford Bridge, he was lauded. Same goes for Eto. Fans were optimistic, happy and the atmosphere was good.

Let's be honest here, the fans were upset that RDM was fired, couldn't take it out on Roman, so the scapegoat was Rafa who wasn't popular. I've never heard the Bridge boo so loud for anything (his game in charge vs City), not even after Clattenburg screwed us.

The point you made for Suarez is irrelevant because that was many months later and even if he did back Ivan, it wouldn't have made any difference or only slight at least. Just like him winning the Europa didn't make much of a difference. The fans were hard on him from the onset, over something so trivial.

I wasn't happy with his appointment and I was angry at him that we didn't win the World Club Cup, its just the booing and lack of appreciation for winning the Europa Leaghe that irks me.

Difference is one is a good footballer at his prime that had won everything bar the PL. Another is a fat spanish waiter, that being said, I give him full credit on taking us back into the CL and played a system where Oscar, Mata and Hazard look really good together

7 minutes ago, Deino said:

Anyone that believes this table is not a football watching fan. Grant managed the best Chelsea generation at their prime whilst Lampard is rebuilding a new one in harsher circumstances. 

Harsher circumstances with all this Covid stuff? You gotta admit that these circumstances are the same for every team so we can't use that as an excuse. Also the amount of money we have spent was good to see and went against the grain as many other clubs cannot spent due to these very same circumstances.

We looked so good after that Sevilla game and considering our strength and depth, that should be the level we consistently play at. At the moment we are so far from that and it seems like Frank doesn't have an answer.

3 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Harsher circumstances with all this Covid stuff? You gotta admit that these circumstances are the same for every team so we can't use that as an excuse. Also the amount of money we have spent was good to see and went against the grain as many other clubs cannot spent due to these very same circumstances.

We looked so good after that Sevilla game and considering our strength and depth, that should be the level we consistently play at. At the moment we are so far from that and it seems like Frank doesn't have an answer.

Of course it is, on top of all the covid stuff, Frank has also had to incorporate 6 first team players into what is largely a young side. Which team in world football is currently doing the same? 

Not to forget that Lampard's best players were injured/out at different parts of this half a season. When we had these same players fit and sharp, we were on a winning streak until that Ziyech injury then the Havertz covid thing, CHO finding momentum, Pulisic going in and out the physio room. It will take a toll on a team that's just starting to build cohesion. 

In contrast, most of the other teams are a settled group. You don't see Klopp/Pep/Mourinho etc² chopping and changing teams every other week.