2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If he gets sacked before the season ends it will only show that the board got a bit too desperate and that in turn Lampard managed to bottle the job with an even better squad than the one he had last season.

The question would then be if the best possible manager out there e.g. Allegri can get many wins in the remaining games, which would be a pretty hard task. Sure his first game in charge would be an easy one against Sheffield but pretty soon after that we will be playing Southampton, Atletico Madrid, Man United, Everton and Liverpool which all come almost one after another with maybe some lower team like Leeds in the middle that can surprise anyone.

Our squad might not even have the capacity to adapt to another manager so fast, to play against these top teams and in the CL like that could be a massive disadvantage for us, a part of me would prefer to stick with Lampard as he has been working with our younger players for some time now.

Imagine if signing a huge contract with Allegri still doesn't get us back in the top 4 this season and then he loses his cool as soon as T.Silva leaves and demands a few huge signings but the board reminds him that he needs to focus on the youth, he might just prefer to get sacked like Conte so that he gets a nice funding for his pension. 

 

I don't want Allegri either, it means we will have wasted the last few years trying to build a more progressive style of play and reverting to win at all costs which I don't want. He's a good manager and may even win us the league but it would be another win one and have no real plan afterwards.

My ideal situation if/when the sad time comes is getting an interim in to take us through to the end of the season and then go all out for Nagelsmann, a gamble but the potential rewards are off the scale. Failing that I wouldn't actually mind Tuchel, while I do agree he's probably too much of a loose cannon to be a long term solution he is the type of manager that could give us the best of both worlds, a Conte esque immediate effect while also promoting youth (he blooded Pulisic and Dembele at BVB) and carrying on our transition in terms of style of play.

22 minutes ago, Argo said:

I don't want Allegri either, it means we will have wasted the last few years trying to build a more progressive style of play and reverting to win at all costs which I don't want. He's a good manager and may even win us the league but it would be another win one and have no real plan afterwards.

My ideal situation if/when the sad time comes is getting an interim in to take us through to the end of the season and then go all out for Nagelsmann, a gamble but the potential rewards are off the scale. Failing that I wouldn't actually mind Tuchel, while I do agree he's probably too much of a loose cannon to be a long term solution he is the type of manager that could give us the best of both worlds, a Conte esque immediate effect while also promoting youth (he blooded Pulisic and Dembele at BVB) and carrying on our transition in terms of style of play.

Nagelsmann would know how to get the best out of Werner and Tuchel out of Pulisic most likely, probably both would be happy with Havertz as well.

With Nagelsmann we could land Upamecano very easy and that would potentially solve one CB problem for the long term. Nagelsmann could then challenge Klopp, I think he knows how to work with younger players very well and he has already made a reputation of being a great coach, I heard some stories similar to Sarri how Nagelsmann also uses drones and other things to make his tactics crystal clear for his players. 

44 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I have been one of the most critical of Lampard but whatever happens in the next few games pointless sacking him now if we miss CL so be it nothing wrong with Thursday nights mean we play Sunday.

Agreed. At this point if we lose much more ground on the top 4 it would probably be too much of an ask for a new manager to qualify for the Champs League. I would prefer that the club gives Frank the rest of the season and assess his performance at the end. If the board comes to the conclusion that we have made no progress or even taken a step backwards it is highly likely they will show him the door at that point. 

8 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Nagelsmann would know how to get the best out of Werner and Tuchel out of Pulisic most likely, probably both would be happy with Havertz as well.

With Nagelsmann we could land Upamecano very easy and that would potentially solve one CB problem for the long term. Nagelsmann could then challenge Klopp, I think he knows how to work with younger players very well and he has already made a reputation of being a great coach, I heard some stories similar to Sarri how Nagelsmann also uses drones and other things to make his tactics crystal clear for his players. 

Nagelsmann would be an interesting choice of coach if we are back in the market. But he is also relatively inexperienced and yet to win any trophies. Quite easy to imagine plenty of negative posts about him on here in the future if we are 6 months into his Chelsea career and hitting a bad patch 😉

53 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I have been one of the most critical of Lampard but whatever happens in the next few games pointless sacking him now if we miss CL so be it nothing wrong with Thursday nights mean we play Sunday.

Yeah a new manager would not help us improve enough to reach top 4 imo either. 

We had a dip around Christmas time last season so I am hoping that Frank can reignite things again. Top 4 is looking increasingly difficult but a few wins will help. Tough run of games coming up as well. 
 

Frank HAS to get the forward players scoring and contributing again. We look weak up front. 

13 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. At this point if we lose much more ground on the top 4 it would probably be too much of an ask for a new manager to qualify for the Champs League. I would prefer that the club gives Frank the rest of the season and assess his performance at the end. If the board comes to the conclusion that we have made no progress or even taken a step backwards it is highly likely they will show him the door at that point. 

But the counter argument to that is the 2010 and 2017 title win season's came after Hiddink steadied the ship the respective previous campaign's. Carlo and Conte's jobs were made a hell of a lot easier thanks to that, especially in the former case. If we get to the point where the situation is untenable then it's a good idea to change even if it's too late to achieve our targets because looking at the bigger picture a strong ending could give us momentum heading into the next campaign.

Furthermore if 4th place further slips from out grasp before the Atletico tie that would probably give Roman extra reason as while a long shot this team have the talent and capability's to win it if everything falls into place (strong tactical approach, rub of the green, player's showing up with big performances on the night etc..).

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

But the counter argument to that is the 2010 and 2017 title win season's came after Hiddink steadied the ship the respective previous campaign's. Carlo and Conte's jobs were made a hell of a lot easier thanks to that, especially in the former case. If we get to the point where the situation is untenable then it's a good idea to change even if it's too late to achieve our targets because looking at the bigger picture a strong ending could give us momentum heading into the next campaign.

Furthermore if 4th place further slips from out grasp before the Atletico tie that would probably give Roman extra reason as while a long shot this team have the talent and capability's to win it if everything falls into place (strong tactical approach, rub of the green, player's showing up with big performances on the night etc..).

I don’t think we are anywhere near to the situations we were when Hiddink took the interim jobs.

Edited January 13, 20215 yr by RMH

I do think if he doesn’t make top 4 though he may well get that call from Marina

5 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I do think if he doesn’t make top 4 though he may well get that call from Marina

I don’t think Christine Bleakley will be happy about that!

Tottenham have won 1 out of last 6 games, the same as us.

Yet we are in a massive crisis and Lampard on the verge of being sacked. Where’s the talk about Tottenham or Mourinho? Absolutely f*ck all.

I don’t think Tottenham spent £200 million and Jose has a record of winning granted he hasn’t won on a trophy for a while and Tottenham expectations are not the same as ours.

We are Chelsea Premier League and Champions League winner’s can’t compare us to Tottenham in terms of expectations from a club level 

Edited January 13, 20215 yr by Brutos

9 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I don’t think Tottenham spent £200 million and Jose has a record of winning granted he hasn’t won on a trophy for a while and Tottenham expectations are not the same as ours.

We are Chelsea Premier League and Champions League winner’s can’t compare us to Tottenham in terms of expectations from a club level 

You can twist it though can’t you, could say Tottenham have a team full of seasoned players and a veteran manager who won it all, meanwhile we have an inexperienced manager with half of the team from the academy and half new signings settling in.

I just think Mourinho deserves more criticism, he’s a god compared to Lampard in managerial terms and Lampard gets all the flak.

23 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

You can twist it though can’t you, could say Tottenham have a team full of seasoned players and a veteran manager who won it all, meanwhile we have an inexperienced manager with half of the team from the academy and half new signings settling in.

I just think Mourinho deserves more criticism, he’s a god compared to Lampard in managerial terms and Lampard gets all the flak.

Not twisting anything, Lampard gets treated very well in the media by all Jose I would say 50/50 especially because of his run ins with the media previously, most hate his style of play.
Lampard knew the job he was taking knew the money spent means results and far more eyes will be on him than Jose at Tottenham. 

3 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

There's a version of that with bees on which killed me at the time but I can't find it anymore.

6 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

You can twist it though can’t you, could say Tottenham have a team full of seasoned players and a veteran manager who won it all, meanwhile we have an inexperienced manager with half of the team from the academy and half new signings settling in.

I just think Mourinho deserves more criticism, he’s a god compared to Lampard in managerial terms and Lampard gets all the flak.

Maybe because Havertz transfer fee alone is more than doherty, regullon and hojberg fee combined 

I think it’s safe to say that if we don’t start getting better results against the bigger teams, we won’t make top 4. We have 2 games against Spurs and Leicester coming up which we really need to win. 

45 minutes ago, JM7 said:

I think it’s safe to say that if we don’t start getting better results against the bigger teams, we won’t make top 4. We have 2 games against Spurs and Leicester coming up which we really need to win. 

And so far this season he hasn’t shown he can win those games. 
I dread us picking 2pts from those games, and the positive spin on it in this forum.

10 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Tottenham have won 1 out of last 6 games, the same as us.

Yet we are in a massive crisis and Lampard on the verge of being sacked. Where’s the talk about Tottenham or Mourinho? Absolutely f*ck all.

Because this is a Chelsea forum and we're Chelsea fans perhaps ? Edit : You're talking about in media circles well the pressure is only going to be ranked up further if we lose to Fulham. As for Mourinho someone should tell him he hasn't got the Chelsea defence of 2004-5 and when they take the lead they need to score another one at least especially when that team includes Dier.

Edited January 14, 20215 yr by bluehaze

Reality is,we need to pick up at least 12 points from our next 5 games if we want a chance for that top4 finish.Spurs and Leicester games are 6pointers.

3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Maybe because Havertz transfer fee alone is more than doherty, regullon and hojberg fee combined 

It is true, but then again we weren't that much active in the previous transfer window part from securing the loan of Kovacic as a permanent signing and maybe earlier when we signed Pulisic before the transfer ban and then panic bought Kepa when Courtois left for Real Madrid. 

Man City spent over 150m this window and around 150m the window before and while they are much better than us, they are still not reaching their own desired levels either so when we think about how they didn't have so many negative factors as us it's all how you want to present it... They avoided a transfer ban, they didn't have 3 different managers in the last few years and their keeper didn't want to move but even so they are spending more than us and still can't do anything in Europe and they are still chasing Liverpool.

I imagine Pep will want to get Haaland once Aguero is done with them and nobody will raise any eyebrows no matter how much Pep keeps spending anyway.

10 hours ago, dkw said:

There's a version of that with bees on which killed me at the time but I can't find it anymore.

Avram vs the bees was the best. I'm giggling just remembering it. Sadly I can't seem to find it either.

11 hours ago, Brutos said:

Not twisting anything, Lampard gets treated very well in the media by all Jose I would say 50/50 especially because of his run ins with the media previously, most hate his style of play.
Lampard knew the job he was taking knew the money spent means results and far more eyes will be on him than Jose at Tottenham. 

That doesn't need to be the case for Jose since Poch got sacked after he couldn't take them to the next level so to say that they have smaller ambitions than us would be pure speculation.

Lampard did get many new players and he did improve the squad but the narrative doesn't take in count the fact that we had a transfer ban and that several of our players did leave, if we hadn't spend money on Ziyech we would have only CHO and Pulisic to play on the wing, we are not doing what City is doing, the club would have invested in some new players regardless of who is the manager for this season.

14 hours ago, Brutos said:

I have been one of the most critical of Lampard but whatever happens in the next few games pointless sacking him now if we miss CL so be it nothing wrong with Thursday nights mean we play Sunday.

If we have a bad run of games this month, we aren't going to be in the Europa league either.

Which....is no bad thing. 

11 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Tottenham have won 1 out of last 6 games, the same as us.

Yet we are in a massive crisis and Lampard on the verge of being sacked. Where’s the talk about Tottenham or Mourinho? Absolutely f*ck all.

As you typed this do you honestly believe it ?? You really think we should compare ourselves, aspirations and expectations to Tottenham? They are in a Cup final and are over the moon. I dont think any Chelsea fan is jealous of that as we aim much bigger. 

What's damming  though is you say they have 1 win in 6 games yet they are still 4 points clear of us. That tells you everything about the situation we are in.