Just now, RMH said:

While I agree with you on this, and I'm not completely unhappy with letting Guehi go with a buy-back and sell-on clause, you have to agree that Lampard is one of the last coaches to have brought up and settled academy youngsters into the first team, even if he let some go as well. How many has TT brought into the first team? None so far. That's where I believe the comparisons stem from.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying his policy wasn't good all in all, but my point is mainly he would also have been getting critisised if his decisions were micro managed in a similar way. I mean could you even imagine the reaction if TT let's a young defender go who then has Maldini and Baresi drooling over him?

Will Tuchel promote and play en mass like Lampard did at the start of 19/20? Probably not, but it's also worth remembering post lockdown once the pressure for results started to intensify only Mount (James if we played a back three) was still starting.

37 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

f**king hell we've done a right 180 after Lamps left

The Lampard season was an outlier due to the transfer ban. Look at the second season when we never saw Tomori again, CHO rarely featured etc. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

With the new loan rules i imagine this kind of thing will become a lot more common.

 

I personally have no problem with it so long as we have a sell-on clause and first refusal on a buy back as seems to be mentioned here. It will probably help the players development a lot more too as a club is more likely to give consistent game time to a player they own rather than one simply on loan.

Yeah, with those new loan rules, it will be interesting to see who Chelsea choose to send on loan. Connor Gallagher is another to keep our eye on especially since our midfield is so packed right now. I could see us letting him go in similar deal as Guehi.

9 minutes ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

Yeah, with those new loan rules, it will be interesting to see who Chelsea choose to send on loan. Connor Gallagher is another to keep our eye on especially since our midfield is so packed right now. I could see us letting him go in similar deal as Guehi.

As much as I like Gallagher he's one i can give or take.

I would like to see Bate get Billy's spot this season if possible, someone who's judgement I trust feels he's potentially better.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

As much as I like Gallagher he's one i can give or take.

I would like to see Bate get Billy's spot this season if possible, someone who's judgement I trust feels he's potentially better.

I haven't seen much of Bate but have heard a lot of really good things about him from some folks that watch our academy closely. Him and Colwill are the two I've heard recently that have some serious potential - Livramento as well, and he seems like he might be on the way out as well. Which, honestly, I can't blame these kids for leaving to get playing time abroad or another premier league club.

Hopefully Chelsea can find the right balance between allowing the academy to fills role and fringe position players and focus on purchasing higher end talent and not squad fillers like we did between 2015-18 w/Batshuayi, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Bakayoko etc. 

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Rumoured fee between £15-£20m according to The Athletic. 

That's what they quoted as his market value but that this sale was a "very good deal for Chelsea" they said.

I'd be surprised if we got less than £25 million.

7 minutes ago, Sindre said:

That's what they quoted as his market value but that this sale was a "very good deal for Chelsea" they said.

I'd be surprised if we got less than £25 million.

Wait - that guy never put foot on a EPL "pitch" right? Crazy stuff.

1 minute ago, weetee said:

Wait - that guy never put foot on a EPL "pitch" right? Crazy stuff.

He made a few appearances for Chelsea in Frank's first season

1 hour ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

Pretty disappointing and short-sighted by the club to sell both Tomori and Guehi within the space of a few weeks of each other. Was really hoping that Guehi would have a shot to impress Tuchel and get some potential first time minutes. 

Maybe by selling Guehi and Tomori, that means that Rudi and Zouma would be extending and staying? I'm just not sure what the plan is here

Personally hoping Zouma gets the move to Roma. He needs regular game time to get back to his best and he wont get that here imo.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

The same Lampard who let Lamptey, Musaila and Tomori (and nearly CHO) walk out on his watch?

Thought the Lampard era was about bringing youth through, guess I was mistaken

11 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

Thought the Lampard era was about bringing youth through, guess I was mistaken

Then why did those 3 nearly 4 get let go on his watch? One of those players being the main reason he got the Chelsea job in the first place.

Edited July 15, 20215 yr by Argo

Just now, Argo said:

Then why did those 3 nearly 4 get let go on his watch? One of those players being the main reason he got the Chelsea job in the first place.

He's still allowed to make decisions on players you know, it's not like just because you're a youth player you get a free pass at the club. You convenient ignored the ones who actually made it

Just now, sonic90 said:

He's still allowed to make decisions on players you know, it's not like just because you're a youth player you get a free pass at the club. You convenient ignored the ones who actually made it

I'm not atall which i have already said above, I'm just making the point that if you micromanage every decision he made with the young players like is what happening with TT they'd be a fair bit to criticise too.

Tomori has gone on to be raved over by the two greatest defenders of all time, could you even imagine the stick Tuchel would get if Tammy went to a new club and got raved about by Pele? 

23 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Personally hoping Zouma gets the move to Roma. He needs regular game time to get back to his best and he wont get that here imo.

Zouma's always been one of my favorite players since the day we bought him, so personally I hope we keep him. That knee injury he sustained was so heartbreaking bc he was really starting to come into his own and its taken him a while to fully recover from that injury. With Zouma, I think it will really boil down to Rudi and if we are able to extend him or not. Couldn't really be thrilled with us selling Rudi, Zouma, Guehi and Tomori in a single window. I'd be pretty sad

3 hours ago, ducavis said:

Fair point but if he has the same trajectory as Ben White who is rated at £50m by Brighton after one season in the league, it might be a missed opportunity.

Funnily enough I watched Ben White pretty much every week when he played at Peterborough, I’m shocked at how he’s developed into a player valued at £50m as he didn’t exactly stand out, suppose that’s the difference between developing under Steve Evans/Darren Ferguson and Marcelo Bielsa. But anyway, yeah I personally wouldn’t have sold Guehi but I guess we got an offer we couldn’t refuse, it will be interesting to see how he does at Palace.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

The same Lampard who let Lamptey, Musaila and Tomori (and nearly CHO) walk out on his watch?

Musiala changed agents and was never going to sign a new contract for us once Bayern came in for him. As for Lamps part in it , not sure he had much say as Derby manager.

'Musiala left just before Frank Lampard arrived' 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayern-jamal-musiala-chelsea-departure-23560965

 

A bigger concern though is that Livromento , Bate and Peart-Harris have refused to sign new deals. Livromento can leave in January for a development fee of 500k. I wouldnt be surprised if he didnt leave on a similar deal to Lamptey as he no doubt will have a string of suitors. The three have now been relegated to training with the u16s.

4 minutes ago, charierre said:

Musiala changed agents and was never going to sign a new contract for us once Bayern came in for him. As for Lamps part in it , not sure he had much say as Derby manager.

'Musiala left just before Frank Lampard arrived' 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayern-jamal-musiala-chelsea-departure-23560965

 

A bigger concern though is that Livromento , Bate and Peart-Harris have refused to sign new deals. Livromento can leave in January for a development fee of 500k. I wouldnt be surprised if he didnt leave on a similar deal to Lamptey as he no doubt will have a string of suitors. The three have now been relegated to training with the u16s.

I don't disagree but my main point is will this type of context be used if the likes of the players mentioned above leave or other players leave for similar reasons? I doubt it.

Not sure how relegating all of them will help change their mind though, in Bate's case there's a clear opening to CM4.

I think the problem here is that we can't get rid of the likes of Zappacosta, Drinkwater, Barkley and Bakayoko on the wages they have. I can only see us getting a fee for one of Emerson/Alonso. We are paying for bad recruitment. If we want funds to sign top players then our youth has the most value. Ideally he would of been a good replacement for Silva/Zouma the season after next but you cant blame him if he wants to play consistantly.

This also maybe a controversial opinion but I think if we employed Lampard without a ban he would of signed players instead of promoting youth. He knows what its like first hand to be at a club that demands constant success.

What the f**k? Looking forward to our zero-centre-back three-at-the-back strategy...

Edit: At least we have this:

It is understood that the deal agreed with Chelsea includes a sell-on clause and the opportunity to purchase Guehi back for the same fee agreed with another club.

Edited July 15, 20215 yr by PloKoon13

Doom amd gloom merchants are back again. Not hrard much since the Champions League final win, and top 4 finish. 

Guehi obviously wants to play regular football, we cant offer that, unless anyone is advocating selling 1 or 2 out of the best defence in europe last season. 

He wont sign a contract, and has only 2 years left, there is a path for him, if he was willing to bide his time and give it a couple of seasons, whilst we look to move on Thiago Silva, and Azpi. 

But he doesnt want to wait, he wants to play now, and from various reports over the last few months, he doesnt want to go on loan. 

What is the club supposed to do in this situation? At least we are managing this better than we did Lamptey, and we are getting a good fee, and some interesting clauses, which could see him return, or see us earn even more money in the future. 

We have so many players coming through, even if we sold all the deadwood players, there is no way we could accommodate Guehi, Tomori, Colwill, Christiensen, Ampadu, Mayamba, Simeu, and Panzo. 8 great centre back prospects over the years, with not much of age difference in between, and its like that all over the pitch. 

Hopefully we still use the better prospects that are willing to bide their time, and play the longer game, to boost the squad. Then the ones that slip through the net, try get decent money to put back into the 1st team. No more money wasted on squad players.

 

 

Good luck to him at Palace, except when he plays us LOL

Guehi has the potential to be a very good EPL-level defender but is a way from that just yet. I'm sad we won't be keeping him and I think we probably should keep him given both Rudiger and Christensen are known to be injury-prone, but at the same time we can no longer have the loan army we used to be able to field.

On 15/07/2021 at 13:46, RIP Mourinho said:

With the new loan rules i imagine this kind of thing will become a lot more common.

 

I personally have no problem with it so long as we have a sell-on clause and first refusal on a buy back as seems to be mentioned here. It will probably help the players development a lot more too as a club is more likely to give consistent game time to a player they own rather than one simply on loan.

What's the new loan rule? I actually think the loan army strategy works really well for us (apart from selling the players that come good like KDB/Salah)

Well he’s gone, good luck to the lad!

32 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Well he’s gone, good luck to the lad!

Indeed good luck. I do like this new approach and think it will help players develop even better in a settled environment. All while we have sell of clauses if they make it big and we do not need them back or a matching bid clayses if we do.

Is a win win for me, and we may see Gallagher follow suit to Newcastle.