16 hours ago, Butterhampton FC said:

Maybe about the alternatives but it's gone on far too long to not switch things up and put in Tammy and Giroud. Tammy has played 2 minutes since February and still has scored the same amount of goals as Timo in that span. You just know that every game he is due for a glaring miss, poor touches, no link up or hold up play. I don't see what pundits see on television. They praise his work rate but that is the bare minimum of what I expect from a professional footballer being paid millions. I'd pay millions to be in his position!

I think you should try and watch more than highlights before forming an opinion 🙂 what over the top statements you make.

Here is a slant on Werner the goal scorer, if you wanted to buy a wide player that scores goals, how much would you pay?

9 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Here is a slant on Werner the goal scorer, if you wanted to buy a wide player that scores goals, how much would you pay?

Was thinking exactly the same, get someone in who can score 20-30 goals a season and use Werner, Pulisic, Mount, Ziyech et all to service the beast and chip in with a few of their own.

Besides, as it stands, what’s Werners current transfer value ?  no where near to what we paid, may as well make the best out of a “difficult” situation imo.

16 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Here is a slant on Werner the goal scorer, if you wanted to buy a wide player that scores goals, how much would you pay?

Honestly, anyone that consistently provides 20 goals contribution (goals + assist), 50m is about right.

20 hours ago, Deino said:

Tammy is a classic fox in the box. Tammy and Michy are different versions of the same striker

Very different though. Tammy is far more than just a poacher. 

  Based on this table Werner has been better at finishing than Mane and Firmino , he is also equal to Jamie Vardy but no one makes any noise about those 3. Considering those 3 are season veterans and this is Werners first season. i expect Werner will improve over time. Also Thiery Henry was missing lots of chances in his first 6 months for Arsenal and we all know how he turned out. I see improvemrnts in Werners game, Like his hold up play, ball pressures and his ability to stretch teams with his pace.  Besides the law of averages says a team will soon get on the end of a Werner Hat trick. 

Kevind De bruyne is also just only a level above Werner on the chart  but of course he does other things for his club besides scoring. Lets just appreciate Werner for what he brings to our team and once he adds goal scoring to that he will be a legend. 

Just now, The Don Antonio said:

  Based on this table Werner has been better at finishing than Mane and Firmino , he is also equal to Jamie Vardy but no one makes any noise about those 3. Considering those 3 are season veterans and this is Werners first season. i expect Werner will improve over time. Also Thiery Henry was missing lots of chances in his first 6 months for Arsenal and we all know how he turned out. I see improvemrnts in Werners game, Like his hold up play, ball pressures and his ability to stretch teams with his pace.  Besides the law of averages says a team will soon get on the end of a Werner Hat trick. 

Kevind De bruyne is also just only a level above Werner on the chart  but of course he does other things for his club besides scoring. Lets just appreciate Werner for what he brings to our team and once he adds goal scoring to that he will be a legend. 

Jamie Vardy is 34

Firmino is playing completely different role, and if werner is as good as mane one the ball and how he hold defender, then you can play Werner differently. 

A better comparison for werner role is Salah, they played the same role. 

 

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Jamie Vardy is 34

Firmino is playing completely different role, and if werner is as good as mane one the ball and how he hold defender, then you can play Werner differently. 

A better comparison for werner role is Salah, they played the same role. 

 

To be fair Salah has missed almost as many chances as Werner but he has scored a lot more and is on Penalties. I know Werner hasnt been great  but its his first season outside Germany and he has been involved in 20 goals for us this season. I say that is a positive.

55 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Very different though. Tammy is far more than just a poacher. 

How?

He isn't very good at heading.

He isn't very good at bringing others into play.

He does not get many assists.

He does not score many goals from outside the box.

He isn't a set piece specialist.

He rarely takes on defenders with dribbling.

He isn't very strong and tends to struggle with physical battles with defenders.

So - please do share with us HOW Tammy is much more than just a poacher and what outstanding qualities he brings to our team.

1 hour ago, The Don Antonio said:

  Based on this table Werner has been better at finishing than Mane and Firmino , he is also equal to Jamie Vardy but no one makes any noise about those 3. Considering those 3 are season veterans and this is Werners first season. i expect Werner will improve over time. Also Thiery Henry was missing lots of chances in his first 6 months for Arsenal and we all know how he turned out. I see improvemrnts in Werners game, Like his hold up play, ball pressures and his ability to stretch teams with his pace.  Besides the law of averages says a team will soon get on the end of a Werner Hat trick. 

Kevind De bruyne is also just only a level above Werner on the chart  but of course he does other things for his club besides scoring. Lets just appreciate Werner for what he brings to our team and once he adds goal scoring to that he will be a legend. 

Not shocked to see Son number 1 on this list. I swear every time he is in a dangerous area he scores. 

4 minutes ago, Browerkid said:

Not shocked to see Son number 1 on this list. I swear every time he is in a dangerous area he scores. 

He's a pretty good footballer + marketing wise is a nice investment, wished we could go after him back when he was at Leverkusen. Just a shame he plays for Spurs and became impossible to root for with his victim antics while kicking player's nuts. 

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

How?

He isn't very good at heading.

He isn't very good at bringing others into play.

He does not get many assists.

He does not score many goals from outside the box.

He isn't a set piece specialist.

He rarely takes on defenders with dribbling.

He isn't very strong and tends to struggle with physical battles with defenders.

So - please do share with us HOW Tammy is much more than just a poacher and what outstanding qualities he brings to our team.

I don't think you understand what is a poacher 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think you understand what is a poacher 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please do share all the qualities that Tammy has, that makes him so much more than a poacher. Enlighten us.

There is our answer then, play Zouma up top. Lol

23 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

 

I have made a statement of fact. That Tammys goals and assists this season have been responsible for winning us a solitary EPL point. That was the late equaliser against West Brom. I stand by that statement.  

I have gone into further details on the Tammy Abraham thread, where I acknowledge that his 2 goals against West Ham  made the game more comfortable for us,  and I also acknowledged that he scored the equilser against Sheffield Utd, which helped turn the game in our favour. Without Tammys goals in those games, we may or may not have won. But it doesn't change the fact that if you take Tammys  goals off the score card of those games, the final outcome doesn't change. 

 

That's such a ridiculous thing to say, you are talking utter sh*te, not facts at all. If you take away his goals then the game is completely different, literally anything could have happened in those games. You don't like him, that's fine, your completely entitled to have that opinion. To to write garbage like that to disparage him is disgraceful.  Do you know a good fact, Tammy is still our you scorer in all games this season, yet can't get barely any game time in a team struggling to score goals. 

 

Edited May 1, 20215 yr by dkw

1 hour ago, dkw said:

That's such a ridiculous thing to say, you are talking utter sh*te, not facts at all. If you take away his goals then the game is completely different, literally anything could have happened in those games. You don't like him, that's fine, your completely entitled to have that opinion. To to write garbage like that to disparage him is disgraceful.  Do you know a good fact, Tammy is still our you scorer in all games this season, yet can't get barely any game time in a team struggling to score goals. 

 

Keep telling yourself that. If you truly believe that Tammys goal, such as a late consolation in a 3v0 win against arsenal (for example)  is as important as the winner, in a 1v0 win against West Ham (for example), then that is your prerogative. It is bollocks, but it is your choice. 
 

Tammy the top scorer - let's give the lad a clap and perhaps discuss his wonderful record this season, whilst enjoying a pint for every winning goal he has scored this season.... oh wait, it would be a pretty short discussion, and we would both be thirsty. 

Edited May 1, 20215 yr by nonotnowjim

Just now, nonotnowjim said:

Keep telling yourself that. If you truly believe that Tammys goal, such as a late consolation in a 3v0 win against arsenal is as important as the winner , in a 1v0 win against West Ham, then that is your prerogative. It is bollocks, but it is your choice. 
 

 

Where did I say it was as important? That doesn't mean they aren't important though.

17 minutes ago, dkw said:

Where did I say it was as important? That doesn't mean they aren't important though.

So come on then, commit to this and share with us all of the result changing goals or assists that Tammy has contributed in the epl this season

I will start you off, and you can add to the list. 

Tammy

1) last minute equaliser against WBA (directly winning us 1 point)

2) the last 2 goals against West Ham (in a 3v0 win), with his goals killing the game. 

3 ) the equaliser after going behind against Sheffield Utd, in a 4v1 win 

so that you can show everyone you are balanced and not biased, let's also do a joint list for timo - again, happy to start, and you can add as you see fit...

Timo

1) 2 goals and an assist in a 3v3 draw against Southampton  (directly winning is 1 point)

2) assist for the first  goal against Brighton 

3) assist for the only goal of the game against spurs (directly winning us 3 points)

4) 2x assists in a 2v1 win against Sheffield Utd (directly winning us 3 points)

5) second goal in 2v0 win against Newcastle, with his goal killing the game 

6) scored the winning goal in a 1v0 win against West Ham. (Directly winning is 3 points)
 

Looking forward to you adding to the list and enlightening me on all of the important, game changing goals that Tammy has scored or assisted,  and all of the extra EPL points he has won us this season. 

Edited May 1, 20215 yr by nonotnowjim

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

There is our answer then, play Zouma up top. Lol

Lol - he would struggle to be even 50% as wasteful as Timo! At least we could play long!

8 hours ago, ashwin said:

I think you should try and watch more than highlights before forming an opinion 🙂 what over the top statements you make.

lol because our opinions differ that means I only watch highlights? What a dweeb. Care to expand on why you disagree or are you just going to make dumb comments?

22 hours ago, Paddy said:

It’s astonishing how football divides opinion , it is subjective and we all see different things .

I can’t argue with his misses, poor first, second and most touches, but I feel that had Tammy played Timo’s minutes, I doubt he would have been any more successful, we’ll never know of course, but aside from the lack of goals, Werner’s speed and getting into positions to score , scares the opposition and of course, he may turn provider instead - who knows, he may even bang the odd one in !!!

The problem is we spent 50 million on what we thought was a poacher/goal scorer. Not another pacy winger who will contribute 5 goals and 10 assists over the season

Like him or hate him, you can't ignore his "here we go again" mentality. 

People being pissed with him at 24 goals contributions means he'd average 30-40 when his purple patch comes (if it ever does)

On 30/04/2021 at 20:03, Butterhampton FC said:

I am not sure how Timo Werner got this far in his professional career.

 

On 30/04/2021 at 20:49, Butterhampton FC said:

You just know that every game he is due for a glaring miss, poor touches, no link up or hold up play.

My inference that you only watch highlights is far more reasonable than these inferences of yours 😉

Werner has been showing fantastic movement, pressing incessantly and linking up play extremely well, which is why Tuchel plays him (almost) every time. I hope you watched today's match at least.

Werner again showed today why he is so important to us. I cannot wait until he gets his confidence back and improves is goal scoring!

His overall contribution is great, if you told me he was Willian's replacement I would be happy with him as an upgrade. But we really need him to be a striker for us and he still can't do it right in the box.

Hopefully we can get through this season with him at his current state and he can somehow improve over the summer.