Surprised that no one has mentioned the refereeing today in our game. I found the ref irritating to say the least, giving any tackle a foul against us plus a card and letting Brighton without a couple of cards, in my opinion. And he was useless in the most relevant decisions of the game. He didn’t want to know about the penalty to Mudryck and was way too happy to give Brighton a penalty in the 97th minute. Both calls were so blatantly wrong that the VAR took hardly any time to ask the ref to review his decision. What a shockingly bad refereeing. I could not see well the two yellows to Connor, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the ref made the wrong call too.

17 minutes ago, RMH said:

Surprised that no one has mentioned the refereeing today in our game. I found the ref irritating to say the least, giving any tackle a foul against us plus a card and letting Brighton without a couple of cards, in my opinion. And he was useless in the most relevant decisions of the game. He didn’t want to know about the penalty to Mudryck and was way too happy to give Brighton a penalty in the 97th minute. Both calls were so blatantly wrong that the VAR took hardly any time to ask the ref to review his decision. What a shockingly bad refereeing. I could not see well the two yellows to Connor, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the ref made the wrong call too.

I mentioned it on the match thread. Thought it was a very poor display from Pawson. While Conor was ill-advised to attempt that second challenge, the ref had his card out almost before the play had completed. As with his decision to initially award the penalty to Brighton he seemed to be very quick to make his mind up. Thankfully with the penalty it was such a poor decision that VAR would have found it difficult to overturn it. But if the camera angle had been less clear we could have easily but done over by a terrible decision there at the end.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

Surprised that no one has mentioned the refereeing today in our game. I found the ref irritating to say the least, giving any tackle a foul against us plus a card and letting Brighton without a couple of cards, in my opinion. And he was useless in the most relevant decisions of the game. He didn’t want to know about the penalty to Mudryck and was way too happy to give Brighton a penalty in the 97th minute. Both calls were so blatantly wrong that the VAR took hardly any time to ask the ref to review his decision. What a shockingly bad refereeing. I could not see well the two yellows to Connor, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the ref made the wrong call too.

VAR did its job today. Clear pen to us missed, corrected, clearly not a pen against us given, corrected.

If only this was the way VAR was used all the time.

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

VAR did its job today. Clear pen to us missed, corrected, clearly not a pen against us given, corrected.

If only this was the way VAR was used all the time.

Agree with this.

Also, while not a VAR incident given two yellows, I do think Pawson got it right with Gallagher, despite his haste to pull out the card.  Conor was beyond unwise to even give the referee a chance to send him off.  I thought Caicedo was walking also, but was lucky Mitoma (I think) got straight up to his feet and play continued for an extended period, almost removing the referee from an awkward decision. 

VAR did okay with our penalty but I still can't make sense of why VAR had to send the ref to the monitor for the ball hitting Levi's head. I can understand not wanting to take chances but that was clear as day and night. That, followed by the absolute brainfart by the ref to not give a corner to Brighton post the VAR check... well, at least that worked in our favour too. 😄

I dont know why it took so long to look at both penalty calls, like they were desperately looking for a reason to not give ours, and to give Brighton's, when both were obvious o the first showing, f**king ridiculous.

4 hours ago, Girish said:

VAR did okay with our penalty but I still can't make sense of why VAR had to send the ref to the monitor for the ball hitting Levi's head. I can understand not wanting to take chances but that was clear as day and night. That, followed by the absolute brainfart by the ref to not give a corner to Brighton post the VAR check... well, at least that worked in our favour too. 😄

One of the more obscure laws: after a VAR overturn of a penalty, play restarts with a dropped ball. Corner kick never an option.

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

VAR did its job today. Clear pen to us missed, corrected, clearly not a pen against us given, corrected.

If only this was the way VAR was used all the time.

Yes. It has a role to play to correct the instinct of Premier League refs to make wrong decisions that go against us, as happened twice yesterday. Unfortunately, some VARs (Mike Dean among others) are scared to intervene and correct mistakes because they don't want their mates to look bad).

14 hours ago, forbzy said:

I mentioned it on the match thread. Thought it was a very poor display from Pawson. While Conor was ill-advised to attempt that second challenge, the ref had his card out almost before the play had completed. As with his decision to initially award the penalty to Brighton he seemed to be very quick to make his mind up. Thankfully with the penalty it was such a poor decision that VAR would have found it difficult to overturn it. But if the camera angle had been less clear we could have easily but done over by a terrible decision there at the end.

I was very scared the pictures might have shown the ball brushing Colwill's fingernail before it smashed him in the face, as he definitely raised his arm as he jumped to block the cross.

10 hours ago, dkw said:

I dont know why it took so long to look at both penalty calls, like they were desperately looking for a reason to not give ours, and to give Brighton's, when both were obvious o the first showing, f**king ridiculous.

Didn't VAR call the ref over to review his decision not to give us a penalty, which the ref then gave ,and VAR called him to review his decision to give Brighton's penalty which the ref then chalked off ?

Both decisions went in our favour despite the ongoing secret campaign against our club .

Today I read an article which outlined the points teams would be on had VAR not been in use. All teams except for 3 would have either 0 or 1 point difference. Burney would be +2 and Fulham -2 and in what I’m sure is a surprise to absolutely no one Chelsea would have been on -5.

For once VAR went in our favour, our penalty was 50/50 , the handball shout against us was so obvious I don't think it required to referee to go up to the screen, and that really scared me at that moment. I expect normal services to be resumed on Wednesday.

Pawson is a long-time dill. He remains the only ref, to my knowledge, who went to the screen and ignored the VAR. Which, in itself, might not be a bad thing except the VAR was, in that case, right. It was a few years ago, I forget who was playing whom, but a goal was scored after a potential foul on a defender. It was a blatant foul. Pawson decided it wasn't. Dolt.

Dill 😅 haven't heard that in years, quality.

37 minutes ago, dkw said:

Dill 😅 haven't heard that in years, quality.

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"Dill " sort of rings a bell but I'm not sure. Is it a northern thing ?

 

41 minutes ago, dkw said:

Dill 😅 haven't heard that in years, quality.

Bang !

The pennies dropped. Just realised what it was short for, .. haven't heard it for years either 🤣

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Pawson is a long-time dill. He remains the only ref, to my knowledge, who went to the screen and ignored the VAR. Which, in itself, might not be a bad thing except the VAR was, in that case, right. It was a few years ago, I forget who was playing whom, but a goal was scored after a potential foul on a defender. It was a blatant foul. Pawson decided it wasn't. Dolt.

Michael Oliver did that too. He got a lot of praise for 'sticking to his guns', even though the video evidence showed his initial call was wrong.

45 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

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"Dill " sort of rings a bell but I'm not sure. Is it a northern thing ?

 

I'm not sure, I remember it from school mostly. Love it, gonna use it and bring it back....

You dill.

18 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

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"Dill " sort of rings a bell but I'm not sure. Is it a northern thing ?

 

dill2. noun. informal, mainly Australian and NZ a fool; idiot.

I'm Australian.

18 hours ago, dkw said:

I'm not sure, I remember it from school mostly. Love it, gonna use it and bring it back....

You dill.

You dildo 🤣

It was fantastic to have a match that had a big game feel like this knowing it can't be ruined by VAR. When Mudryk scored we knew it wasn't going to be checked for anything stupid, we could celebrate properly, that's what football should be. Not to be overly dramatic but VAR is a disease in football and it would be 10x more enjoyable if it was just scrapped.

Lots of funs without VAR, couple of the offsides or alleged fouls in the box were clear and obvious, nobody had a problem with them. I mean who knows what VAR could find something wrong with the goal, you just never know these days 😎

10 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Lots of funs without VAR, couple of the offsides or alleged fouls in the box were clear and obvious, nobody had a problem with them. I mean who knows what VAR could find something wrong with the goal, you just never know these days 😎

One offside on Broja was pretty tight but the linesman got it spot-on. No issues with any of the officials last night (we might have got a bit lucky with the Caicedo foul). Maybe the absence of VAR makes them more focused.

12 hours ago, timetowaste said:

It was fantastic to have a match that had a big game feel like this knowing it can't be ruined by VAR. When Mudryk scored we knew it wasn't going to be checked for anything stupid, we could celebrate properly, that's what football should be. Not to be overly dramatic but VAR is a disease in football and it would be 10x more enjoyable if it was just scrapped.

Football in general is fine with VAR, it's our refs that ruin it. I have no issues with VAR in Europe. It's very quick, and the check is over before you even realise there is anything being checked at all. The PGMOL have been a problem for years in English football, they need to be dismantled. How can you trust an organisation when they keep hiring dogsh*t former refs to lead them?

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Football in general is fine with VAR, it's our refs that ruin it. I have no issues with VAR in Europe. It's very quick, and the check is over before you even realise there is anything being checked at all. The PGMOL have been a problem for years in English football, they need to be dismantled. How can you trust an organisation when they keep hiring dogsh*t former refs to lead them?

No it isn't, this is a weird myth. I watch a lot of serie A and it's as shoddy there as it is in England, not long ago a player in Spain kicked over the VAR monitor because of a crap decision and in the champions league we've seen some long drawn out VAR decisions. The only thing that they have over English football is the semi automated offsides which does help the offside decisions be done quicker, but in terms of fouls and red cards it's just as bad. 

Each to their own but I honestly can't get my head around how you can enjoy football as much when you can't celebrate a goal without thinking it could possibly be chalked off for something. That instant joy which is the point of football has been lost and last night was a reminder of that.