What a bunch of incompetent/corrupt, w**kers. 

They have been bringing this league down for years and they will continue to do it until the Premier League act.

First game in a while , I’ve felt we got shafted but at the same time Liverpool completely dominated us. Maybe if it had been reffed fair we would of lose 4-2 or 4-3 

On 08/01/2024 at 00:02, icecoolguy22 said:

I recall it as Soucek made a diving save to stop a shot like a GK, and somehow was not deemed as deliberate 🤔 Sometime you just have to laugh at these calls, or there are some serious emotional damage

While we're on the subject of being shafted by VAR, Soucek was shown to have encroached and then cleared the Enzo pen that was saved earlier this season. Var ignored it and didn't order a retake. I think his excessive height makes him hard to spot.

After the way we played today I don't care if the ref smacked Sterling with a bat and then gave Pool a pen. We deserved nothing.

We were sh*te and fully deserved to lose. 

That can't detract from the fact the skill gap between the level of football and the level of officiating in this country in what should be the best league in the world is beyond amateur. I have absolutely no problem with refs getting decisions wrong, they're human and the speed in which the game is played things will get missed. To have not ONE, but TWO penalties looked at and to not even send the ref to the monitor is beyond appalling. To then top it off by awarding a penalty to Liverpool for the same level of contact borders of corruption.

I know this season is Klopp's funeral procession but i didn't think they would make their support of the media darlings this blatant. Lets see if PGMOL issue any apologies after this one....

They keep messing around with the game ... sigh ... now "blue" cards for dissent and cynical fouls are on the way apparently. With VAR in place, the powers that be probably need a new way to unduly influence games !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13061707/Football-set-hand-referees-BLUE-CARD-new-colour-card-widely-used-50-years-revolutionary-new-rules.html 

22 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They keep messing around with the game ... sigh ... now "blue" cards for dissent and cynical fouls are on the way apparently. With VAR in place, the powers that be probably need a new way to unduly influence games !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13061707/Football-set-hand-referees-BLUE-CARD-new-colour-card-widely-used-50-years-revolutionary-new-rules.html 

yes, even more rules to bend games as they wish

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066894/ifab-set-to-introduce-blue-cards-for-football-sin-bins

 

Can't they just stop being so sh*t for 1 week?

Get rid of it, the order thing to have happened in football this century.

Yeah it's an absolute load of sh*te, I said when it came in my worry was it would be used mainly to hunt for reasons to dissalow goals, spend minutes checking every little thing to desperately find a reason to not give it, and thats where we are now.

Also the inconsistencies are laughably bad, we had Arsenal fouling our player in the lead up to there 3rd goal just completely ignored by VAR a few weeks ago, yet ours got disallowed yesterday for much less contact. 

VAR works outside PL just fine. This is leadership incompetence and reminds me of organisations where the man on the floor(players/ex pros) can see the problem but leadership(PGMOL) don’t listen and have their fingers in their ears.

They pat themselves on the bad thinking they are doing a great job.

Edited April 28, 20242 yr by El regreso

38 minutes ago, El regreso said:

VAR works outside PL just fine. This is leadership incompetence and reminds me of organisations where the man on the floor(players/ex pros) can see the problem but leadership(PGMOL) don’t listen and have their fingers in their ears.

They pat themselves on the bad thinking they are doing a great job.

The biggest myth going, it's sh*t everywhere.

There are no consistency among those managing VAR, we have seen plenty of instances where almost identical incidents end in complete opposite decisions. It's unlikely every goal will result in referees watching it live on big screen, but it may have to come to that. Of course, how far do you go back to watch the goal it's a complete different debate. The other factor is with VAR in place, touch judges and referee are told to let things go and not making a call on the spot, and then people managing VAR completely f* it by not sharing the right information with the referee.

It's a mess and to be fair created more problems than those good old days without technology, no easy fix unless everyone accept sometimes wrong calls will be made ( whether deliberate or not)

 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

VAR works outside PL just fine.

It really doesn't, fans in every league are making the same complaints we do, Sweden have just decided against using it. It should only be used for factual decisions, goal line stuff, automated offside etc. No opinion based decisions should be reviewed. 

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Yeah it's an absolute load of sh*te, I said when it came in my worry was it would be used mainly to hunt for reasons to dissalow goals, spend minutes checking every little thing to desperately find a reason to not give it, and thats where we are now.

Also the inconsistencies are laughably bad, we had Arsenal fouling our player in the lead up to there 3rd goal just completely ignored by VAR a few weeks ago, yet ours got disallowed yesterday for much less contact. 

Just the other week, blatant shoves on our players were not seen as a foul:

 

The frustrating thing is the ref clearly saw what happened and gave the goal.

No need for VAR to intervene there.

The officials running VAR are beyond incompetent and need to be called out by professionals within the sport at every opportunity. 

Forest were right to call out the VAR officials but went about it the wrong way blaming bias. No shock that all we have heard from Neville and the rest of the clowns in the media is how embarrassing Forest's tweet was, barely any mention about all the mistakes that lead to Forest having to put the tweet out. PGMOL are protected at every step and get away with murder, this won't change until managers and clubs start taking a stand and rightly calling out the embarrassment we are currently witnessing. The Spurs - Arsenal game was an absolute shambles yesterday. 

i hate what football has become. i never celebraste goals anymore because you have to wait asnd see what miniscule bollocks they will find to ruile it out. it was supposed to stop the mistakes of goals being awarded wrongly, or viceversa. all its done is replace on field mistakes with off field ones. i weep forvthe new generation just being introduced to the game, because it must be boriong as hell, no soul left snywhere.

The technology works, but the application of technology is too subjective, and not sure how that changes without better (favoring attacking) rules.  As said, it has muted goal celebrations to some extent and overall excitement.

I'd like to see offsides use the world cup system, and a redefined consistent global application of offside.  For me, that would be clear separate - not a strikers shoulder leaning forward to spring vs the lagging heel of a defender in the other direction.  I don't believe those drawing the lines work with that level of precision, so its flawed.

Referee decisions need to stand.  Had Benoit been pushed like that Sat, we know that would not have been a penalty, just part of a contact sport.

6 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

The technology works, but the application of technology is too subjective, and not sure how that changes without better (favoring attacking) rules.  As said, it has muted goal celebrations to some extent and overall excitement.

I'd like to see offsides use the world cup system, and a redefined consistent global application of offside.  For me, that would be clear separate - not a strikers shoulder leaning forward to spring vs the lagging heel of a defender in the other direction.  I don't believe those drawing the lines work with that level of precision, so its flawed.

Referee decisions need to stand.  Had Benoit been pushed like that Sat, we know that would not have been a penalty, just part of a contact sport.

We talk about Var as some revolutionary technology but frankly it is not. It is basically a bunch of folks sitting in a room to look at replays. Something that has been available since the last 10-15 years.

apart from goal line we are still depending on an individual to look at a replay to draw offside lines and call out obvious errors not seen by the ref. 
it really is a bunch of incompetent refs who are ruining the game and each of them referee the game differently. wonder how much is the training budget for this PGMOL.

On 28/04/2024 at 10:08, dkw said:

Yeah it's an absolute load of sh*te, I said when it came in my worry was it would be used mainly to hunt for reasons to dissalow goals, spend minutes checking every little thing to desperately find a reason to not give it, and thats where we are now.

Also the inconsistencies are laughably bad, we had Arsenal fouling our player in the lead up to there 3rd goal just completely ignored by VAR a few weeks ago, yet ours got disallowed yesterday for much less contact. 

Said it before mate.

VAR is anti football. Celebrating a goal was one of the special joys of watching the game.

As soon as a goal is scored though ,they will do everything they can to see if they can rule it out.

Then we have the micro offsides ruling out goals too.

All that interference to rule out goals .

Yet wrestling, holding, pushing and pulling players by both teams at corners is ignored.

Apart from when we do it.... obviously 

Always hated VAR. Never ever wanted it and would scrap it tomorrow.

BUT...football fans will never be happy and cry foul regardless of what we have so, in a lot of ways we are reaping what we sow.

Before VAR fans cried every week about refereeing mistakes and deluded themselves into thinking their club was picked on more than any other and the whole system was corrupt.

With VAR fans cry most weeks about refereeing mistakes and delude themselves into thinking their club is the most picked on and the whole system is still corrupt.

Post VAR..you can complete the para in the future sense.

Refs make mistakes. VAR Refs make mistakes (not as many but still make them). But the way football fans leap straight to 'its corruption' is a bit daft. 

44 minutes ago, loz said:

Always hated VAR. Never ever wanted it and would scrap it tomorrow.

BUT...football fans will never be happy and cry foul regardless of what we have so, in a lot of ways we are reaping what we sow.

Before VAR fans cried every week about refereeing mistakes and deluded themselves into thinking their club was picked on more than any other and the whole system was corrupt.

With VAR fans cry most weeks about refereeing mistakes and delude themselves into thinking their club is the most picked on and the whole system is still corrupt.

Post VAR..you can complete the para in the future sense.

Refs make mistakes. VAR Refs make mistakes (not as many but still make them). But the way football fans leap straight to 'its corruption' is a bit daft. 

Well, there are mistakes and then there's deliberately wrong decisions being made.

VAR ref admitted that he didn't alert the ref to Cucerella having his hair pulled v Spurs because his onfieild ref mate was having a difficult time.

And the ref in the "Battle of the Bridge" v Spurs saying he deliberately didn't give a red card because he didn't want to be the one who decided the Title .

But, every fan of every club believes there is an agenda against their club.

Total nonsense of course.

It's only Chelsea who are targeted by VAR, refs etc etc

Edited April 30, 20242 yr by The Rising Sun
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Scrap it.  If there had been VAR then would the  Ovrebo game been any different? No. They get the result they want. 

2 hours ago, Scott said:

Scrap it.  If there had been VAR then would the  Ovrebo game been any different? No. They get the result they want. 

My guess is 1 or at best 2 those calls will go back to the referee, and he will rule it anyway, because he could.

Technology is not the problem, still goes back to the referees in front of the screen and on the field. As the referees and lines judge are relying on VAR to correct, they aren't making many calls on the spot like the old days. So referees wave it away, doesn't necessarily mean he made a call on it.