41 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I would take Jorgi Kante and CHO off that list but for the rest lowering our demands or even loans would be good enough, we really need to streamline our squad

CHO defo stays on the list 😉

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

That was me, and I stand by it. 

I concur mate, you'd think TT being a disciple of Pep, he'd of seen at close quarters how Peps team player, even Klopp plays the most offensive style

Listening again to his presser, you know a striker is imminent, as he addressed lack of goals, with 'we have the same as last year, why will it be any different', Werner is a goner...

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Ballack & Blu

2 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

Having watched the game and the post match comments  I think he is losing the plot.  Very evident that he is totally frustrated with a majority of the players for their efforts, and while many on this forum have said ship them out and let those hungry 2nd string players play and make them starters, they will soon get ripped apart week in week out. They are not in the team, not because of their desire but they just don't have a football brain, the technical ability, or the speed required these days.  Barkley for example, really isn't a bad player, but he has no footballing brain to see the game that unfolds in front of him; CHO is another example, he can't see the game in front of him, lost his pace , which was the only thing that kept him around and for a winger doesn't take on anyone these days it simply isn't good enough. Many of the others are young inexperienced players that may have done well while on loan, but being able to play in a top 6 side is a step up to another level, especially playing in Europe where technical ability is at its height.  

Watching last nights efforts we saw yet again, more so in the 2nd half, that when we get to the 18 yard area we are clueless; no-one making runs in the box, creating space or even having a shot even when a shot was on...no the ball was passed around the box, backwards to the half way line...why?  Surely that has to come down to his game plan...don't play the ball in the box unless there is a high % chance of scoring or we will lose the ball and face a counter attack especially when our defenders are on the halfway line.  You can't tell me any of those forwards bought in the last 2 years could be so useless that they can't score goals. They have become so useless that now they all have to be sold, yet they go away to their international teams and score on a regular basis with likely less chances being created for them in the game..why is that?  The game plan? Tactics? players around them...don't know but TT has one job to do and that is to get this team playing as a cohesive unit not divide them by making public comments that he and the team is failing because he has the same players as he did last season...do you think any of those players, which seemingly aren't going anywhere any time soon are now going to make an effort.  Imagine your boss at work making a public statement about how you are part of the problem when the project fails....what's going to be your reaction? 

I agree to most of this except the youngsters part. Tomori and Guehi would certainly been able to cut it with us, especially both playing in the LCB role. Both would of saved us millions and time invested now searching high and wide for defenders which probably wont even be as good. Add Livramento and Lamptey to that list too..players who are constantly looking to kick the ball down the wing, run at their men and advance the play. How many players do we have that do that at the moment.

There are so many stuff being written about TT. I wish I have time to write a detailed thread about our offense. But not sure I do. 

However, I wrote a simple article months ago comparing our offense to city and in there I explained in general we and city attack in very similar way. 3-1, 3-2 build up with front 5 that does not move too much. City is more aggressive and we are more conservative. 

The biggest problem for our team is not the structure itself but structure + player combinations. Essentially in order for our offense to be great we need similar attacker profile to city. 

My expectations for the new season are pretty low. We need to get our attack sorted out, a striker seems imperative. Not convinced the signings so far will fix it for us and if we know there's guys that have lost interest, don't play them.

I really think going for Ronaldo might be shout at this point. There isn't a striker on the market that's as good as him, and it's a guranteed 20+ goals. Underrated link up play as well. Only problem might be the pressing, but I'd much rather have him over Havertz/Werner as our number 9

City scored 99 goals last season and bought in Haaland

Liverpool scored 94 goals last season and bought in Nunez

We scored 76 goals last season and are bringing in nobody. Tuchel can't act like we don't need a proven goalscorer like Ronaldo at this point

2 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Listening again to his presser, you know a striker is imminent, as he addressed lack of goals, with 'we have the same as last year, why will it be any different', Werner is a goner...

I do really hope that you are right 🤞

3 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Listening again to his presser, you know a striker is imminent, as he addressed lack of goals, with 'we have the same as last year, why will it be any different', Werner is a goner...

That is too good to be true.

Not that worried about last nights result but it’s been a disaster of a transfer window thus far , still time to turn it around a bit but I’d have some concern it could go south like it did with Conte. 

8 minutes ago, Dubair said:

Not that worried about last nights result but it’s been a disaster of a transfer window thus far , still time to turn it around a bit but I’d have some concern it could go south like it did with Conte. 

I doubt it, Conte essentially had subpar players given to him by the board against his wishes (+selling Matic), whereas Tuchel and Boehly have been working together, it's just that a lot of our transfer targets have rejected us

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Drogba1

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I doubt it, Conte essentially had subpar players given to him by the board against his wishes (+selling Matic), whereas Tuchel and Boehly have been working together, it's just that a lot of our transfer targets have rejected us

It’s a few years ago now so I could be mistaken but was the issue not that the money wasn’t stumped for Lukaku/Alex Sandro. I also got the impression that players like zappacosta and morata may not of been his first choice but he still wanted them signed having missed other targets. 

4 hours ago, hawkster said:

CHO defo stays on the list 😉

Personally I'd give him a loan at a smaller Prem team or Bundesliga before we write him off. He still hasn't had a full 40 game season as a starter yet

1 minute ago, Dubair said:

It’s a few years ago now so I could be mistaken but was the issue not that the money wasn’t stumped for Lukaku/Alex Sandro. I also got the impression that players like zappacosta and morata may not of been his first choice but he still wanted them signed having missed other targets. 

From memore Lukaku Sandro Nainggolan and Alexis Sanchez were his first choices alongside a RWB that I can't remember (Danilo maybe?). I think Morata was someone he didn't mind as a 2nd choice but players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater Barkley and Emerson were most likely not, I remember our signings of them felt like panic buys more than anything

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

From memore Lukaku Sandro Nainggolan and Alexis Sanchez were his first choices alongside a RWB that I can't remember (Danilo maybe?). I think Morata was someone he didn't mind as a 2nd choice but players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater Barkley and Emerson were most likely not, I remember our signings of them felt like panic buys more than anything

Fair enough but this transfer just feels a bit of a disaster. It’s not necessarily the board nor managers fault , but we’ve missed out on 5/6 players at this stage , already lost 2 of our best defenders for free with azpi likely joining them and inability to offload the deadwood so far. 

23 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

From memore Lukaku Sandro Nainggolan and Alexis Sanchez were his first choices alongside a RWB that I can't remember (Danilo maybe?). I think Morata was someone he didn't mind as a 2nd choice but players like Zappacosta, Drinkwater Barkley and Emerson were most likely not, I remember our signings of them felt like panic buys more than anything

It was easy to tell which were board signings and Conte signings in that era.

The Conte signings would get multiple chances regardless of how bad they got (Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Morata) while the board signings were ignored largely (Drinkwater, Barkley, Michy). Emerson as the one I was unsure about but then Conte wanting to reunite with him at Inter gave me the answer.

The random links with targetmen were 100% his doing though, he had a history with them and we didn't.

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

There are so many stuff being written about TT. I wish I have time to write a detailed thread about our offense. But not sure I do. 

However, I wrote a simple article months ago comparing our offense to city and in there I explained in general we and city attack in very similar way. 3-1, 3-2 build up with front 5 that does not move too much. City is more aggressive and we are more conservative. 

The biggest problem for our team is not the structure itself but structure + player combinations. Essentially in order for our offense to be great we need similar attacker profile to city. 

 

 

 

Yep and they rectified no Aguero, with the monster Haaland

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

The random links with targetmen were 100% his doing though, he had a history with them and we didn't.

I’d completely forgotten about being linked with Peter crouch and Ashley Barnes , interesting times they were..

The Media have portrayed us as Clueless amateurs mugged at every turn, We wouldn't of touched KK if we had of gotten Kounde, and de Ligt, mind i think KK will be the better signing.

3 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

The Media have portrayed us as Clueless amateurs mugged at every turn, We wouldn't of touched KK if we had of gotten Kounde, and de Ligt, mind i think KK will be the better signing.

Media are overjoyed for sure. 

We have to remember that we were sanctioned for a number of months and owners only took over 2 months ago. 
 

These are multi million pound deals that are complicated and there’s a lot of factors and competition 

45 minutes ago, Dubair said:

Fair enough but this transfer just feels a bit of a disaster. It’s not necessarily the board nor managers fault , but we’ve missed out on 5/6 players at this stage , already lost 2 of our best defenders for free with azpi likely joining them and inability to offload the deadwood so far. 

Agree, think I meant that there's less likely to be a Conte-style fallout over the transfer window though as Tuchel doesn't really have a right to complain about the board here

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

There are so many stuff being written about TT. I wish I have time to write a detailed thread about our offense. But not sure I do. 

However, I wrote a simple article months ago comparing our offense to city and in there I explained in general we and city attack in very similar way. 3-1, 3-2 build up with front 5 that does not move too much. City is more aggressive and we are more conservative. 

The biggest problem for our team is not the structure itself but structure + player combinations. Essentially in order for our offense to be great we need similar attacker profile to city.

Alternatively Tuchel could maybe set us up to play in a system which fits the abilities of our attackers better. Emulating City while lacking the player profiles that make them effective is probably not the best idea, if your objective is to beat them over the course of the season.

I agree that the structure + player combinations is a big problem for us and eventhough I rate Tuchel as a manager and would like to see what he can achieve here longterm, imo he has to take responsibility that he hasn't really figured out our squad after 18 month in charge. I heard his post match comments of yesterdays match and it clearly sounded like he thinks many of our players are not suited to his demands or not mentally commited to the club, re the quality of our players his opinion is shared by many here, primary in regard to our offensive players.

But how should we solve this? With the wages we pay our underperformers there seems to be no market for them, loans where we probably gotta pay parts of their salaries aside and with our strategy of throwing money at players being seemingly the only pull power we have on the market, we would probably end up with an even more financially overfunded squad than we have already in our quest to sign replacements.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Blue2

27 minutes ago, Argo said:

It was easy to tell which were board signings and Conte signings in that era.

The Conte signings would get multiple chances regardless of how bad they got (Zappacosta, Bakayoko, Morata) while the board signings were ignored largely (Drinkwater, Barkley, Michy). Emerson as the one I was unsure about but then Conte wanting to reunite with him at Inter gave me the answer.

The random links with targetmen were 100% his doing though, he had a history with them and we didn't.

I think Zappacosta was used more out of neccesity than anything (only other alternative was Moses), but I agree about Bakayoko and Morata. I do think Conte wanted Bakayoko more as rotation for Matic for his first season though. Was still an awful buy nonetheless.

 

Personally I think that transfer window is the single biggest reason why we haven't got near a title in 5 years now (the longest drought since Roman took over)