Tuchel certainly needs to take some of the blame for our awful performances, but there are so many things wrong in this squad.

- Mismash of players thrown together over various managers for different systems
- Countless deadwood who we can't get rid of
- Numerous players looking to leave (Azpilicueta, Alonso, Ziyech, Werner, plus probably more)
- Garbage attackers (Werner can't control, pass, dribble or shoot, Havertz is massively overrated, Pulisic struggles with the basics, Ziyech wants to leave)
- A defence which can't defend against any kind of pace

If this season isn't going to be a disaster, we need to get rid of most of the deadwood weighing the squad down, bring in a quality CB, a quality CM with some creativity, a quality attacker. Otherwise it's going to be a fight for 6th.

Sadly when the manager turns on the players like this there is only one outcome. Shamr because there isn't a better manager than Tuchel out there for us.

The amount of overpaid average players we have is ridiculous and until they somehow get shifted we are in a rut. 

 

1 minute ago, Chelsbear said:

Sadly when the manager turns on the players like this there is only one outcome. Shamr because there isn't a better manager than Tuchel out there for us.

The amount of overpaid average players we have is ridiculous and until they somehow get shifted we are in a rut. 

 

I wonder what has brought about this turn of events, the demise of Werner must be a concern for players, and how we try and play, he does ok for the National team, and the kid can finish, TTs constant sniping can't help, maybe Tuchel isn't the Pep, he thinks he is, unless in one off CL Finals.

There are more forward thinking managers in the PL, Saints manager could be in the shake up?

1 hour ago, Argo said:

We "painfully scrapped home" (not true, we always had atleast two games breathing space and ultimately made it with two home games to spare) because we had to juggle 5 tournaments with an unprecented ownership crisis and multiple injuries while Arsenal and Spurs had just the league to focus on at the business end.

I never said we had a divine right to be in the elite I can fully accept catching the top 2 will be a very very tough ask but for years now I've been getting told after a couple of bad results the North London duo are amazing and will gazump us and guess what, they never do.

But there is always a first time, and Conte above anyone knows what he's doing, f**k Arsenal, Spurs could actually win the PL, they have a front 3 as good as anything in europe, just need consistency, Scary ol thoughts

59 minutes ago, Argo said:

We "painfully scrapped home" (not true, we always had atleast two games breathing space and ultimately made it with two home games to spare) because we had to juggle 5 tournaments with an unprecented ownership crisis and multiple injuries while Arsenal and Spurs had just the league to focus on at the business end.

I never said we had a divine right to be in the elite I can fully accept catching the top 2 will be a very very tough ask but for years now I've been getting told after a couple of bad results the North London duo are amazing and will gazump us and guess what, they never do.

Ok that’s your opinion, your choice. My opinion is it was f**king dire football to watch and myself and many others weren’t too sure we were going to qualify. While you’ve mentioned them f**k arsenal, f**k tottenham . Moving on. 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

"Tell them to find a new club"

Yeah, if only it was that simply we would have done that. But it's not reality. Because no one is going to match their wages and in that case they are perfectly happy to stay and pick up the hefty wage that Marina gave them.

And yeah, we won't be anywhere near Top 4 if we went into a season with that squad of yours there. Even if we did add Kounde and a midfielder. 

 

So your solution is to play them and as well miss top 4 but pissing off those players that want to be here on the way. Stop using Marina as a scapegoat for Tuchel’s failings.

5 hours ago, coco said:

The daggers are being sharpened, but they'll be spreading butter by September.

Oh good you are still about. Just an early reminder the season, and there for Zetas prediction league, starts in 2 weeks @coco, and I have not forgotten to keep reminding you about that @coco since you have not played in recent seasons because you "forgot about it" 😉

Have seen a few suggestions TT comments show early cracks in his relationship with Todd and his dissatisfaction with our actions in the market.

Having watched the game and the post match comments  I think he is losing the plot.  Very evident that he is totally frustrated with a majority of the players for their efforts, and while many on this forum have said ship them out and let those hungry 2nd string players play and make them starters, they will soon get ripped apart week in week out. They are not in the team, not because of their desire but they just don't have a football brain, the technical ability, or the speed required these days.  Barkley for example, really isn't a bad player, but he has no footballing brain to see the game that unfolds in front of him; CHO is another example, he can't see the game in front of him, lost his pace , which was the only thing that kept him around and for a winger doesn't take on anyone these days it simply isn't good enough. Many of the others are young inexperienced players that may have done well while on loan, but being able to play in a top 6 side is a step up to another level, especially playing in Europe where technical ability is at its height.  

Watching last nights efforts we saw yet again, more so in the 2nd half, that when we get to the 18 yard area we are clueless; no-one making runs in the box, creating space or even having a shot even when a shot was on...no the ball was passed around the box, backwards to the half way line...why?  Surely that has to come down to his game plan...don't play the ball in the box unless there is a high % chance of scoring or we will lose the ball and face a counter attack especially when our defenders are on the halfway line.  You can't tell me any of those forwards bought in the last 2 years could be so useless that they can't score goals. They have become so useless that now they all have to be sold, yet they go away to their international teams and score on a regular basis with likely less chances being created for them in the game..why is that?  The game plan? Tactics? players around them...don't know but TT has one job to do and that is to get this team playing as a cohesive unit not divide them by making public comments that he and the team is failing because he has the same players as he did last season...do you think any of those players, which seemingly aren't going anywhere any time soon are now going to make an effort.  Imagine your boss at work making a public statement about how you are part of the problem when the project fails....what's going to be your reaction? 

I think it feels like the beginning of the end for TT

I believe TT is very frustrated with the club as well.

He wants to be a coach, but has had to do a lot of director of football type work as well to try and help Todd apparently.

He lost a key defender and a squad defender due to the previous ownership.

Other sides did their business early while we were sanctioned.

Key targets are saying no and/or going elsewhere.

People he relied upon (Alonso, Dave) are apparently letting the camp and press onow they are unhappy and want to leave.

He said the squad needed a rebuild, a complete rebuild I believe yet we only get 2 players.

Kante and Jorgis situation on their one year deals which he called to be sorted early still has seen no development.

Maybe there is other stuff too.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

I believe TT is very frustrated with the club as well.

He wants to be a coach, but has had to do a lot of director of football type work as well to try and help Todd apparently.

He lost a key defender and a squad defender due to the previous ownership.

Other sides did their business early while we were sanctioned.

Key targets are saying no and/or going elsewhere.

People he relied upon (Alonso, Dave) are apparently letting the camp and press onow they are unhappy and want to leave.

He said the squad needed a rebuild, a complete rebuild I believe yet we only get 2 players.

Kante and Jorgis situation on their one year deals which he called to be sorted early still has seen no development.

Maybe there is other stuff too.

Its a mucking fuddle for sure

1 minute ago, CFCCAN said:

Its a mucking fuddle for sure

It's not a surprise with all the issues in buying the club the owners would have having troubles.

I think we need to temper our expectations this season. Without a proper director of football our summer is a mess.

I think a lot of it is the amount of deadwood we have, even when they're not playing it's going to affect to cohesion of the squad

 

Pulisic, Ziyech, Werner, Azpi (as much as I love him), Alonso and Barkley aren't good enough for Chelsea anymore and should be shifted as soon as we can, maybe even one or two more

 

Someone posted TT would of been gone under Roman, Dire play, and losing 2 final to the scouse, his pragmatism is affecting the players, if you're told to only pass when absolutely necessary into the area, you aint going to.
When in the last 12yds of the field, you make the defence defend, not worry about the counter attack, Utd for years played that super attacking style and it was massively successful, yes they had Ruud and Rooney and RVP, but you have to have faith in your attackers, i'm 100% convinced Werner and co would profit if we played quicker transitioned ('Soccerball', lol), got to be better than Tuchels 'Pragmaball'

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Ballack & Blu

1 minute ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Someone posted TT would of been gone under Roman, Dire play, and losing 2 final to the scouse, his pragmatism is affecting the platers, if you're told to only pass when absolutely necessary into the area, you aint going to.
When in the last 12yds of the field, you make the defence defend, not worry about the counter attack, Utd for years played that super attacking style and it was massively successful, yes they had Ruud and Rooney and RVP, but you have to have faith in your attackers, i'm 100% convinced Werner and co would profit if we played quicker transitioned ('Soccerball', lol), got to be better than Tuchels 'Pragmaball'

That was me, and I stand by it. 

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I think a lot of it is the amount of deadwood we have, even when they're not playing it's going to affect to cohesion of the squad

 

Pulisic, Ziyech, Werner, Azpi (as much as I love him), Alonso and Barkley aren't good enough for Chelsea anymore and should be shifted as soon as we can, maybe even one or two more

 

No one wants to buy them, maybe Barca still do with Dave but they want him on a free.

47 minutes ago, RMH said:

So your solution is to play them and as well miss top 4 but pissing off those players that want to be here on the way. Stop using Marina as a scapegoat for Tuchel’s failings.

Yeah, well the way the squad is built we are kind of dependent on several of those players wheter we like it or not.

Marina is no scapegoat. How about you admit she left the squad in a shambolic state when she was fired? Fired about five years too late and now Boehly and Tuchel are tasked with cleaning up the mess she made. And that will take a lot more than one summer window.

If anything she isn't getting enough criticism because she's far more responsible for the state we are in than Tuchel. Because she's managed to fill the squad with dross we can't get rid off and if we can't get rid of them we can't strengthen from an economic perspective.

We know clearing out the deadwood is impossible and we have to wait for the likes of Barkley, Baka and Bats deals to run out.

Even our squad who want out is difficult:

Werner - who will pay us near the 52mill and get close to his 270k wages?

Havertz - the club's that could afford near 70mill for him have bought already.

Dave- Barca want him on a free and Dave is pissed we have not allowed it as he did not want his extention activated.

Alonso- All interest has died down apparently

Ziyech - Milan want a loan only.

CHO- No takers.

Pulisic- No takers.

Jorgi - no offers despite no sign of a new deal

Kante- see Jorgi

Sarr- no takers

Emerson- Lyon after a season with him would not even take their option of 12mill for him.

 

Personally I don't see this mess being sorted until we have a director of football and even then hard work. I expect loans and letting deals run down and then hopefully smarter work.

21 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

It's not a surprise with all the issues in buying the club the owners would have having troubles.

I think we need to temper our expectations this season. Without a proper director of football our summer is a mess.

Mine was tempered when Conte left and they didn't give him some of the players he wanted...could have been more successful had he stayed..shame he busted up with Costa, that was the nail in the coffin.

Just heard one of the "lot" is Kepa. 

Makes sense since he was missing from yesterday bench and has widely reported to want first team football.

Again though who pays even half of his 71mill fee and 190k a week wages?

18 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Yeah, well the way the squad is built we are kind of dependent on several of those players wheter we like it or not.

Marina is no scapegoat. How about you admit she left the squad in a shambolic state when she was fired? Fired about five years too late and now Boehly and Tuchel are tasked with cleaning up the mess she made. And that will take a lot more than one summer window.

If anything she isn't getting enough criticism because she's far more responsible for the state we are in than Tuchel. Because she's managed to fill the squad with dross we can't get rid off and if we can't get rid of them we can't strengthen from an economic perspective.

Your obsession with Marina is reaching Hazardous’ level with Pulisic…. 

2 minutes ago, RMH said:

Your obsession with Marina is reaching Hazardous’ level with Pulisic…. 

Yeah, figured you'd go all personal and not discuss the actual case at all.

As if she's not responsible for building the squad that Boehly and Tuchel are now struggling with. Piss off you.

 

As much as i hate loosing against arsenal, i think we had a bit of over reaction about a Pre Season experimental game loss. One learns more in loosing than winning and we have learned that many players are simply not good enough and need to be sold plus Tuchel needs a plan B and take a bit of responsibility because after all he is a world class manager and no manager can have all the players that they want unless you are Guardiola and endless budget like city that is.

Come end of next season i fully expect us to be above Arsenal. But i am hoping instead we will be challenging for cups. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

We know clearing out the deadwood is impossible and we have to wait for the likes of Barkley, Baka and Bats deals to run out.

Even our squad who want out is difficult:

Werner - who will pay us near the 52mill and get close to his 270k wages?

Havertz - the club's that could afford near 70mill for him have bought already.

Dave- Barca want him on a free and Dave is pissed we have not allowed it as he did not want his extention activated.

Alonso- All interest has died down apparently

Ziyech - Milan want a loan only.

CHO- No takers.

Pulisic- No takers.

Jorgi - no offers despite no sign of a new deal

Kante- see Jorgi

Sarr- no takers

Emerson- Lyon after a season with him would not even take their option of 12mill for him.

 

Personally I don't see this mess being sorted until we have a director of football and even then hard work. I expect loans and letting deals run down and then hopefully smarter work.

I would take Jorgi Kante and CHO off that list but for the rest lowering our demands or even loans would be good enough, we really need to streamline our squad