Just now, TheSage said:

He offers Ronaldo and Messi levels of effort without the productivity to match. We should have looked for a cheaper up and coming striker rather than spending 100M on another big name striker who a lot of people did not rate.  His $0 replacement is not looking any worse than he did at Inter. He really needs to step up but at his age, I doubt he will improve much.  We really are terrible at signing strikers 

Yep, just going on marketing and nostalgia and simply ‘who was available at the time’ rather than playing the waiting game for the smarter moves. 

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Perhaps still a bit rusty from lack of games, but he just offers so little. When you look at our main rivials, they have players like Salah who will score out of nothing. Don't ever feel confident going into a game that Lukaku (or any of our strikers for that matter) are going to score.

We weren't playing amazing in the first half by any stretch of the imagination but we pressed well, were fluid and created a fair amount of openings.

Rom comes in we're static, don't press and could have conceded many times that half because our first line of defense was removed.

We've paid £97m to destroy such a promising playing style. I'd be able to take sh*t results the way it happened against Burnley but not how it happened today.

Just now, TheSage said:

He offers Ronaldo and Messi levels of effort without the productivity to match. We should have looked for a cheaper up and coming striker rather than spending 100M on another big name striker who a lot of people did not rate.  His $0 replacement is not looking any worse than he did at Inter. He really needs to step up but at his age, I doubt he will improve much.  We really are terrible at signing strikers 

Should have saved the money and gone with Broja and Abraham, i believe they would get 30+ between them over a season.

He’s far from match fit! 

1 minute ago, Term_X said:

Yep, just going on marketing and nostalgia and simply ‘who was available at the time’ rather than playing the waiting game for the smarter moves. 

Funny you say that, Karim Adeyemi will likely be avalaible next summer and he's tailor made for this system.

Depressing doesn't come close.

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

We weren't playing amazing in the first half by any stretch of the imagination but we pressed well, were fluid and created a fair amount of openings.

Rom comes in we're static, don't press and could have conceded many times that half because our first line of defense was removed.

We've paid £97m to destroy such a promising playing style. I'd be able to take sh*t results the way it happened against Burnley but not how it happened today.

I think we're static regardless of him, none of our strikers are scoring goals. We had a good run with the back 3 tactic but it's time we moved on.

Poor game today, wasn't sharp in any way shape or form. I'm not part of the team that believes he makes our attack worse when he plays but his form has been a bit concerning.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

I think we're static regardless of him, none of our strikers are scoring goals. We had a good run with the back 3 tactic but it's time we moved on.

We create chances at will without him. Yes we squander a lot but the law of averages still gives us a good set of results all in all.

With him we look so one dimensional and lose the best aspect of our system (the press).

Just now, Gol15 said:

I think we're static regardless of him, none of our strikers are scoring goals. We had a good run with the back 3 tactic but it's time we moved on.

Ha.. argued this in preseason. Can’t see it though Tuchel has nailed his colours to the mast.

I really like the system we play but we aren’t getting many goals from the attack.

Maybe it’s time we changed the system to fit Lukaku in. He’s a proven goalscorer and if we play to his strengths, he’ll score regularly.

Surely Tuchel can figure something out.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Funny you say that, Karim Adeyemi will likely be avalaible next summer and he's tailor made for this system.

Depressing doesn't come close.

Liverpool & Man-City are so overpowered and matured that it never made sense to rush things, we have spoilt the broth a little now with our squad building.

12 minutes ago, turnyitb said:

He’s far from match fit! 

This is his 6th-7th game of not scoring. Even before being match fit, the signs were there that he just can't click with this team. 

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

We create chances at will without him. Yes we squander a lot but the law of averages still gives us a good set of results all in all.

With him we look so one dimensional and lose the best aspect of our system (the press).

I seriously don't see what he adds to our attack at all. Especially today, he looks the same today as when he made that Norwich debut back in 2011.

6 minutes ago, Deino said:

This is his 6th-7th game of not scoring. Even before being match fit, the signs were there that he just can't click with this team. 

Even when he was the signs were there. Against Villa and Zenit we created f**k all and in the former they exploited our non existent press at will.

He has to score to justify ripping the system apart to accommodate him.

Edited December 4, 20214 yr by Argo

8 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Liverpool & Man-City are so overpowered and matured that it never made sense to rush things, we have spoilt the broth a little now with our squad building.

They really are. It would be a great achievement if we manage to win the league this season, making it two titles since Klopp and Pep came to the league but it's looking like a bridge too far.

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

We create chances at will without him. Yes we squander a lot but the law of averages still gives us a good set of results all in all.

With him we look so one dimensional and lose the best aspect of our system (the press).

He was scoring at the start of the season and making tons of space while playing with his back against the goal. The moment he got injured, that's the moment our strikers stopped scoring and he hasn't been really fit since then. Against bad teams someone always bails us out and we get the results, but against decent teams our attacking phase is underwhelming.

It's not normal that every game there needs to be a CB that scores in order for us to win, or a full-back. Clearly something simply isn't working, Mount has had a quiet season so far but in the last 2 games he managed to be clinical which makes his season somewhat average but nobody is particularly flourishing in this system part from full-backs and centre-backs.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He was scoring at the start of the season and making tons of space while playing with his back against the goal. The moment he got injured, that's the moment our strikers stopped scoring and he hasn't been really fit since then. Against bad teams someone always bails us out and we get the results, but against decent teams our attacking phase is underwhelming.

It's not normal that every game there needs to be a CB that scores in order for us to win, or a full-back. Clearly something simply isn't working, Mount has had a quiet season so far but in the last 2 games he managed to be clinical which makes his season somewhat average but nobody is particularly flourishing in this system part from full-backs and centre-backs.

He has 3 goals in the PL and 1 goal in CL in over 938mins, that is beyond poor.

 

Source:

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/78498/Show/Romelu-Lukaku

An immobile, lazy, lump of a player, who cant pass, make runs or out pace defenders.

For all the detractors Havertz has, look how many times he gets on the ball, finds space, gets in behind.

For the detractors of Werner, he has pace and an ability to stretch a game, keeping defenders on their toes.

Lukaku is Tammy levels of ineffectiveness, where as he simply appears to be waiting for a tap in, without moving.

I think he will struggle with us, I see him as being a striker that scores when the opposition play a high defensive line. Most of our opponents play deep and soak up pressure and try to hit us on the break.

He will need to develop a talent to find spaces or the ball in heavily defended penalty areas. 

Of course if he can come deeper and play wide balls he might get a return pass for an opportunity.

I know he can score with headers though does not look a natural header of the ball.

Will be interesting to see how he plays now when he starts for 90m.

 

 

18 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

An immobile, lazy, lump of a player, who cant pass, make runs or out pace defenders.

For all the detractors Havertz has, look how many times he gets on the ball, finds space, gets in behind.

For the detractors of Werner, he has pace and an ability to stretch a game, keeping defenders on their toes.

Lukaku is Tammy levels of ineffectiveness, where as he simply appears to be waiting for a tap in, without moving.

The most infuriating thing is it was so obvious, can't really claim hindsight like you maybe can with Saul.

The one aspect of Tuchel that worries me is the market and his activity so far has done nothing to stem my fears.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

The most infuriating thing is it was so obvious, can't really claim hindsight like you maybe can with Saul.

The one aspect of Tuchel that worries me is the market and his activity so far has done nothing to stem my fears.

We always make the same mistakes. Try to go for a big name, big bucks forward, who rarely suits our play. Costa and Drogba aside, it is always the same.

Awful.

22 minutes ago, Deino said:

He has 3 goals in the PL and 1 goal in CL in over 938mins, that is beyond poor.

 

Source:

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/78498/Show/Romelu-Lukaku

He played in 14 games, 4 goals and 1 assist in 907 minutes according to transfermarkt. He's our best striker, but like I said none of our strikers are playing well, if it was just Lukaku that has been poor then I would also just focus on him but I think that the big issue is our style of play and tactics.

Lukaku scored 4 goals in 5 CL games last season and had 24 goals and 10 assists in 36 games in Serie A. It just can't be that he's a bad player, it's the coaching or tactics/formation, somehow Tuchel isn't using him at the best way. This can be said to pretty much all of our strikers and let's be honest, we don't really have a winger like Salah to make up for it, right now our best scorer is Mount and he is having a pretty average season so far, even last game when he scored he was pretty average overall.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/romelu-lukaku/leistungsdaten/spieler/96341/plus/0?saison=2020

Awful today, absolutely terrible, but i think its fair to cut him slack as you would with anyone coming back from injury. 

Long term he has to score more regularly to warrant starting over Havertz, who i think has been fantastic recently. With Havertz you get the movement, the pressing, the link up play, but you dont get alot of goals. If Lukaku isnt outscoring him, then there is nothing he brings to the table that warrants him starting over Havertz. 

Thats coming from someone who was and is still happy to have Lukaku back at the club.

He's a low IQ player, lazy and predictable, with very limited skill set. Been saying that when we were going after him in the summer, would have been happy to be proven wrong, but here we are. 

I realize the likes of Kane, Haaland, Lewandowski were unavailable but I'd have prefered to bring a young talent with potential who fits the system or even go with Broja/Tammy until we get the true world class centre forward instead of wasting a fortune on the player I knew was clearly wrong for us and now we're stuck with him for years to come.

17 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He played in 14 games, 4 goals and 1 assist in 907 minutes according to transfermarkt. He's our best striker, but like I said none of our strikers are playing well, if it was just Lukaku that has been poor then I would also just focus on him but I think that the big issue is our style of play and tactics.

Lukaku scored 4 goals in 5 CL games last season and had 24 goals and 10 assists in 36 games in Serie A. It just can't be that he's a bad player, it's the coaching or tactics/formation, somehow Tuchel isn't using him at the best way. This can be said to pretty much all of our strikers and let's be honest, we don't really have a winger like Salah to make up for it, right now our best scorer is Mount and he is having a pretty average season so far, even last game when he scored he was pretty average overall.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/romelu-lukaku/leistungsdaten/spieler/96341/plus/0?saison=2020

Last season in the CL Inter faced Mochengladbach, Shakhtar and a weak RM side and Inter still finished bottom of the group. 

Scoring goals in other leagues just doesn't translate well on the PL. We had this with Werner, Havertz and Ziyech already. The PL is a different beast every year, I'd say it's the fastest evolving league in the world. 

The way Lukaku is as a player just doesn't work in this year's PL. All our false 9/strikers are functional at the very least. Lukaku came on when we were winning and proceeds to do nothing but congests the middle.

Lukaku doesn't even open spaces for others to score, that's the biggest problem. I'd bet that even Salah won't score much if he plays in the same team as Lukaku