1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

He's come on during one of our worst performances in years.

And immediately looked worse than every player on the pitch.

Lost the ball every time he's recieved it. Lost the ball dribbling in no mans land and got booked.

It's actually incredible how he manages to limbo under whatever low bar our performance sets.

Jason Cundy described Pulisic as being "like a fish up a tree" tonight.

A bit harsh I think you'll agree ?

 

Tuchel is the problem.  Every player from the team that won the Champions League has gotten worse.  Our former star players suddenly look terrible.

 

IMO Tuchel has til the World Cup to get into the top 5, otherwise he is replaced as soon as a competent coach comes available.

5 minutes ago, Wembley67 said:

I’m sorry, TT is hugely underwhelming. He basically put some structure, added tactics around Frank’s squad and won the CL - which was a fantastic achievement. 200M later, we are significantly worse off than last season - we’re playing badly, new signings don’t fit and the players look like they have zero respect for him. He persists in playing ‘more experienced’ players the perfect example is - does anyone think that Jorginho is better than Billy G? His tactics are a mess, he blames the players constantly and his purchases make little or no sense - there might be a reason he doesn’t stay at big clubs longer than 2 years…

Whilst Yorgi is indeed in the sunset phase, if li'l billy becomes a regular starter, We'z doomed bro...

S'hampton suffocated Yorgi with coverage and we couldn't find other options?!?  

9 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Jason Cundy described Pulisic as being "like a fish up a tree" tonight.

A bit harsh I think you'll agree ?

Harsh on the fish?!? 🤯🤯🤯

 

I like Pulli (off night for sure) but li'l tommy has lost the dressing room. 

On 30/08/2022 at 23:04, Valpo said:

Tuchel is the problem.  Every player from the team that won the Champions League has gotten worse.  Our former star players suddenly look terrible.

 

IMO Tuchel has til the World Cup to get into the top 5, otherwise he is replaced as soon as a competent coach comes available.

The problem is we don't know where things stand with Boehly! If no sanctions happened, Roman would've swapped TT out before the season I am sure. How long will Todd and the board give him is anyones guess as we don't have previous to go on.

You hit the nail on the head, these lot don't go from quality to bad overnight, the problem is deeper!

I still think the Reece James thing is a bit suspect and wouldn't be surprised of a falling out. Possibly a bit of paranoia but just seems a bit odd, especially with Tommy's body language when asked. Alonso got dropped for an argument last season and he was one of our in-form players at that time.

16 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He didn't carry us, he performed at a high level, same as everybody else in the tournament that year. Take out most of those players that played the majority of the big games in the Champions League that season, and we don't win it.

What? 

It is sad that there is Chelsea fans who doesn't understand how good of a player Kante is and more importantly the impact that he has on the game. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sheva said:

This is why top 4 is going to be very difficult this year. Conte elevates spurs into a team that challenges. Top coaches turn good players into great players. 
 

If we had Conte with James and Cucurella,  we would be in the talk for a title. He even turned Lukaku into a world beater! The guy is a miracle worker.

 

 

 

Maestro Conte is well missed, but even Jesus couldn't perform enough miracles to fix la cucaracha... 

1 minute ago, Mod said:

The problem is we don't know where things stand with Boehly! If no sanctions happened, Roman would've swapped TT out before the season I am sure. How long will Todd and the board give him is anyones guess as we don't have previous to go on.

You hit the nail on the head, these lot don't go from quality to sh*t overnight, the problem is deeper!

I still think the Reece James things is a bit suspect and wouldn't be surprised of a falling out. Possibly a bit of paranoia but just seems a bit odd, especially with Tommy's body language when asked. Alonso got dropped for an argument last season and he was one of our in-form players at that time.

if he fell out with James i would really start to doubt about TT

14 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Jason Cundy described Pulisic as being "like a fish up a tree" tonight.

A bit harsh I think you'll agree ?

Extremely harsh.

On the fish.

I actually feel bad for Pulisic, he's basically been abused by the media in America putting so much expectation on him and hyping him up to a level he's nowhere near talented enough to reach 

He's grew up playing hero ball against 14 year old American defenders and being praised as this special talent because he could beat them regularly

But he's not talented enough to do it against professional defenders and it's all he knows.

You saw it today, when the pressure was on he went head down and tried to dribble past the defender and every time they just easily took the ball off him and he dragged them back because they were physically stronger and couldn't compete shoulder to shoulder.

31 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Wow it is that bad? Seriously why are we putting up with such mediocrity? Why? If we were winning ok you can put up with the football as it is but our football is sh*t and that is an awful, awful return in the league.

Why is TT not under serious pressure nevermind talks of a new contract?

He won the CL and we have a new owner.

Todd came in believing he had a top team with a top manager.  A champions league winner a year and a half ago.  He is new to owning a team, it would take a great amount of stones to even start threatening to fire him at this point.

IDK about in the EPL but in the US if a coach wins a championship and their team starts under performing, that championship win usually buys them at least 2 if not 3 more seasons than any other coach would get.

 

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

What? 

It is sad that there is Chelsea fans who doesn't understand how good of a player Kante is and more importantly the impact that he has on the game. 

 

 

I know exactly how good Kante is, especially when he is fit, where are you even getting the impression that I don't rate him highly? He was brilliant in that Champions League campaign, but it's a joke to diminish everybody elses contribution by saying he carried them. He didn't carry them at all, they all played at a really high level throughout the tournament as a team. 

2 minutes ago, Valpo said:

He won the CL and we have a new owner.

Todd came in believing he had a top team with a top manager.  A champions league winner a year and a half ago.  He is new to owning a team, it would take a great amount of stones to even start threatening to fire him at this point.

IDK about in the EPL but in the US if a coach wins a championship and their team starts under performing, that championship win usually buys them at least 2 if not 3 more seasons than any other coach would get.

 

2 years ago for us is a very long time. If at any point T.Silva gets injured our defense is 50% worse by default and you know Tuchel can't afford to drop him either. Kante and Kovacic can't play close to 1/3 of the season given their injuries and while our attack is the only part where we have younger players, part from Sterling nobody is delivering. 

Well at least I enjoyed the result for a change!

At the moment the biggest problem for us is the slow business during transfer window as we now have so many uncertainties within the squad, and some players have mentally checked out still hoping for last minute deals with other clubs, or not settled in with their new positions, or simply not fit after lazy summer holiday.  We are not a team right now, but a bunch of lads kicking the ball around before heading down to a pub.  I fully expect another month or two of dire performances from sulking and disinterested players.

 

16 minutes ago, Mod said:

The problem is we don't know where things stand with Boehly! If no sanctions happened, Roman would've swapped TT out before the season I am sure. How long will Todd and the board give him is anyones guess as we don't have previous to go on.

You hit the nail on the head, these lot don't go from quality to sh*t overnight, the problem is deeper!

I still think the Reece James thing is a bit suspect and wouldn't be surprised of a falling out. Possibly a bit of paranoia but just seems a bit odd, especially with Tommy's body language when asked. Alonso got dropped for an argument last season and he was one of our in-form players at that time.

Idk if Roman would have dumped him after last season but he likely would be feeling the heat by now.

It's a tough situation for Boely.  He came in believing that he had a top manager at a top club.  A manager and club that won it all a year and a half ago.  The manager stayed and Todd likely told him that he was his guy and signed off 200 million for Tuchel to spend.

Even threatening to fire him now would take some stones.  Personally I would give him til the World Cup break to get this team in the top 5 or at least on an upward trajectory.  But that is easy for me to say on a forum.  Much harder to pull the trigger in real life.  

On 29/08/2022 at 20:04, Scott Harris said:

Cech

Ferreira Carvalho Terry Gallas

Tiago Makelele Lampard

Robben Drogba Duff

.......wait, what year is it again?

Not a single one of these players played........sack Tuchel now!

1 hour ago, the real shed end said:

Even with all the money we have spent I still feel we are four players short, a proper striker, a center half, a ball winning centre midfielder who won't be muscled off the ball and a goal keeper.

I think we’ll bring in Fofana and Aubameyang. Maybe Zaha as well. I doubt we’ll get a new keeper. As for a ball winning centre midfielder, that should’ve been an absolute priority. I’m amazed we’ve done nothing about it. 

Under Tuchel Chelsea is becoming a place where players go to stall their careers/hinder their development.  This is all Tuchel. Tactics, formation, style of play are all wrong. Not a single player has blossomed under his tutelage. Give him the boot!

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That game could have been still being played right now and we wouldn't have scored.

I switched off 73 mins on the clock. At least I got 17 mins of my night back. 

My God we are turgid right now and even Haaland, Ronaldo and Benzema in this team won't make much of a difference. 

Nor 4-3-3, 4-2-4, 4-3-2-1 or any other iteration of an attacking formation. 

It's not the personnel, its not the formation, its tha pproach and style to our play. Slow, predictable, laboured and cautious. 

I'm not a football manager so I'm really struggling to see why the football manager and all his complement of staff can't see it. 

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Not a single one of these players played........sack Tuchel now!

Definitely felt like we had 43 year old Paulo Ferreira at right back at times tonight.

What a team that was though then swapping Gallas for Cole really completed the defence.

While Gallas completed his hatrick of London clubs

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52 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He didn't carry us, he performed at a high level, same as everybody else in the tournament that year. Take out most of those players that played the majority of the big games in the Champions League that season, and we don't win it.

You and I will have to agree to disagree on that. 

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

2 years ago for us is a very long time. If at any point T.Silva gets injured our defense is 50% worse by default and you know Tuchel can't afford to drop him either. Kante and Kovacic can't play close to 1/3 of the season given their injuries and while our attack is the only part where we have younger players, part from Sterling nobody is delivering. 

Yeah generally speaking in the US for a coach to get fired less then 2 years after winning a championship things would have to get insanely bad.  

If Boely has that type of "American Sports" thinking then for Tuchel to go anywhere before the end of this season Chelsea would have to be flirting with relegation.

 

1 hour ago, Socrates said:

Don’t know what that was. What was our midfield to start with? Just Jorginho? Doesn’t Tuchel learn from our previous performances? Why are Ziyech and Pulisic getting game time while wanting to leave? While Gilmour, Chalobah and Ampadu, who can play in midfield, and actually want to stay, are on the bench? I don’t get what Tuchel is doing. I really don’t. It’s almost like he’s setting us up to lose games. 

Very good points. To be fair to TT Chalobah was injured. 

53 minutes ago, saintquin said:

Well at least I enjoyed the result for a change!

Congrats mate 👏