I banged my head on a desk repeatedly reading this about Enzo. It's a terrible look for the club to navigate, what was said is truly awful. It is and will be a minefield for the club to navigate and or integrate Enzo back into Cobham given the diverse nationalities within the squad.

If us fans sang stuff like that there would be police investigations and lifetime bans from the ground as we have seen before. 

Honestly, no idea how this should be handled, Its depressing as its a sideshow now for the media to have another go at the club, oppo fans will target him and us and opposing players will want to kick him off the park.

The club need to get this right.  

 

26 minutes ago, terraloon said:

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

If I go on instagram live and start singing racist, transphobic and offensive songs while on my day off I can expect my P45 in the morning.

Every company has guidelines you abide by even when not at work. 
I have to do training yearly from HR for this to make sure I understand my responsibility even when I am not in work.

So that nonsense about jurisdictions is just that nonsense. His contract will 100% have clauses in it for things like this.

Anyone who works for a global company or even a small company knows this.

Clearlake should be suing Enzo Fernandez and the Argentinian FA.

What a nightmare for the club to handle. If this was a low value player he’d be sacked immediately. The stronger and more publicly the club reacts, the less we’ll get for him in a potential sale. 
At the same time, you cant have this kind of divide within the squad. You just cant.

This is a huge, huge issue even if I dont think anyone believes Enzo is actually a racist. 
 

For me, the only way this can be repaired is if Enzo returns to Cobham now, to in person talk to and apologize to the entire squad - and especially the French players. 
If he goes on holiday, hoping its all blown over by the time he returns, I’m afraid theres no way back

All quiet on the Man City front despite Alvarez's contribution to proceedings.

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

So if Argentinean FA says it's cool, the club should just accept it and move on?😅

He's under contract at CFC and I'm sure there are clauses and stipulations in it that he has to conduct himself in a certain manner to avoid all sorts of punishment up to, and including, dismissal. This is a very serious matter and has potential to destroy not only the atmosphere in a dressing room but have all kinds of negative consequences for the club, and not just in football matters.

Of course there are stipulations but as I point out that he was under the jurisdiction of the Argentina FA and the conduct and control of players whilst on international duty is the remit of the national FAs. 
 

The point would be if the Argentina FA don’t consider it a matter of gross misconduct, which then then would have to treat every player that sang that song ( oh and buy the way Martinez definitely is in the video signing) then under FIFA regulations it would be almost impossible for Chelsea to dismiss him. 
 

Since Adam was a lad there has been different factions, different religions, different cultures in a dressing room and yes there may well be something that the HC has to deal with  . As for negative consequences I agree had the club not acknowledged and put in place a disciplinary process then maybe but story I think you are getting far too far ahead of the curve.

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Jurisdiction is not an issue. There will be a dispute clause in Fernandez's contract about bringing the club or game into disrepute. 

eg in Clause 3.2.5 in the EPL Standard Playing Contract

 

The bringing the game or club into disrepute is how they will be pursuing but as has been proven time after time that view is subjective and rarely dealt with by any other method than a fine.

If the French FA felt the club had been or were culpable they would be complaining about Chelsea to FIFA , the PL or UEFA they aren’t they are complaining to FIFA about Argentina.

9 minutes ago, dermott said:

All quiet on the Man City front despite Alvarez's contribution to proceedings.

Dermott that is my exact point it’s a collective Argentinan issue . Fernandez yes sang the and held the phone but from what I could make of it it was a significant number of other players joining in . The issue will become bigger for those players and their clubs if they don’t now apologise and in the case of the clubs open disciplinary proceedings 

 

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by terraloon

3 hours ago, evissy said:

My word that is stupid. Why would the Argentinians sing a song like that and why on earth does Enzo film it and post it. Makes no sense. This won't end we'll.

Before 2021 they were crying out for a trophy. Now after winning some they've become arrogant and racist twats. Looks like they were just waiting to pour out their vile disdain and hatred. Winning has brought the worst out of them.

Much will depend on the wash-up of the internal squad dynamics but I suspect a huge fine and a suspension will be the result.

2 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

Before 2021 they were crying out for a trophy. Now after winning some they've become arrogant and racist twats. Looks like they were just waiting to pour out their vile disdain and hatred. Winning has brought the worst out of them.

Not sure about become. More that the celebrations have unleashed a pre-existing condition. Sconnie's explanation of the South American dynamics is essential reading.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

My word that is stupid. Why would the Argentinians sing a song like that and why on earth does Enzo film it and post it. Makes no sense. This won't end we'll.

Before 2021 they were crying out for a trophy. Now after winning some they've become arrogant and racist twats. Looks like they were just waiting to pour out their vile disdain and hatred. Winning has brought the worst out of them.

 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

So if Argentinean FA says it's cool, the club should just accept it and move on?😅

He's under contract at CFC and I'm sure there are clauses and stipulations in it that he has to conduct himself in a certain manner to avoid all sorts of punishment up to, and including, dismissal. This is a very serious matter and has potential to destroy not only the atmosphere in a dressing room but have all kinds of negative consequences for the club, and not just in football matters.

Most likely they'll do a PR exercise with a scripted press conference and he apologizes on the training ground. Then they'll let the matter die down for a couple of months while he does community service to prove he's a changed man. Then slowly reintegrate him in the team.

Some problem with submit reply button. Double and triple post becoming common.

8 minutes ago, dermott said:

Not sure about become. More that the celebrations have unleashed a pre-existing condition. Sconnie's explanation of the South American dynamics is essential reading.

Agree. Of all the things they could sing about they chose this. Would've helped mankind if they sung about cleaning up the oceans and planting more trees. Wish this lot don't win another trophy for a million years.

41 minutes ago, dermott said:

All quiet on the Man City front despite Alvarez's contribution to proceedings.

They all should be getting hammered but it was Enzos live feed which is why he’s getting the heat. His price tag also puts him into the spotlight even though he isn’t responsible for what we pay for him.

 

Also let’s be honest this’s not our first run in with racism as a club so we will always get sports media attention more than other clubs.

Hope we sack him off, he's been pony anyway and is clearly a little rat. 

Apology + fine + some discrimination training or something. No need to blow it massively out or proportion. Talk of sacking him is insane.

Also, since most of the bus were singing it, how come he's the only one getting into any trouble?

5 hours ago, STATS said:

Messi, has rarely spoken out on racism before. My friend pointed this out to me. Drenthe accused him of racism years ago and stated Messi repeatedly referred to him as 'negro' which is derogatory term, however in countries such as Argentina, the term is used to commonly. Even if Messi does speak out on it, seems more of a PR push rather than actually sincerity. 

Another common term in Argentina is maccacitos (pardon my spelling) a derogatory term meaning monkeys aimed mainly at Brazilians. I’ve watched a few documentaries about Argentina and their lack of blacks compared to other south and Central American countries. 

2 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Club released a statement:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/club-statement-july-17-2024

If you cant click:

Chelsea Football Club finds all forms of discriminatory behaviour completely unacceptable. We are proud to be a diverse, inclusive club where people from all cultures, communities and identities feel welcome.

 

We acknowledge and appreciate our player’s public apology and will use this as an opportunity to educate.

The Club has instigated an internal disciplinary procedure.

 

This is another thing that fcks me off massively about this modern day culture we seem to be saddled with. Fck ups, whether slight or significant or not training opportunities.  They are errors of misjudgement and upon occasions crimes. Not an education or training opportunity, but a breach of codes, morals and in some instances law, subject to actual punitive actions.

2 hours ago, terraloon said:

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

My gripe personally is the reference to educational opportunity which as my post below indicates gets my back up.

A statement that merely saying an internal investigation is being undertaken and appropriate measures will be taken where a breach of the clubs code of conduct and ethics has been committed, would have been more appropriate for me.

Racism is a worldwide problem, not only in Argentina. It is rich to condemn a whole country (this time Argentina) for what their football fans and players sing, especially when this comes from the US, Europe or England (what, with all the "immigrant invasion is coming across the channel" cry-wolf). Talk of stereotypes...

The club will deal with it as it should, internally and as tough as they consider appropriate, and it should not be a reflection on Chelsea or us Chelsea fans.

There will be a split in the dressing room no way to avoid that now. Nico on instagram 

 

10 minutes ago, RMH said:

Racism is a worldwide problem, not only in Argentina. It is rich to condemn a whole country (this time Argentina) for what their football fans and players sing, especially when this comes from the US, Europe or England (what, with all the "immigrant invasion is coming across the channel" cry-wolf). Talk of stereotypes...

The club will deal with it as it should, internally and as tough as they consider appropriate, and it should not be a reflection on Chelsea or us Chelsea fans.

You're right and I can appreciate that Fernandez is at the forefront as it is his stream but it has been mentioned that Romero, Alvarez and L Martinez are all taking part. Yet it will be a Chelsea feeding frenzy again. I've seen no comments from the other PL clubs as yet about the conduct of their players. For example as the outgoing owner of a Southern French football club, presumably with a fair representation of North African players I'm interested in Sir Jim's comments about Martinez's participation 

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

Just going to try and walk through this. 

His coments and the chants are enough for him to have his social media channels shut down. They operate pretty strict inclusivity and anti-hate directives.

It is against the law to use this type of terminology as it is discriminatory and goes against race-hate laws and the equlities act. He'd be arrested on the streets for the chanting. 

A player from our own dressing room has called him out and been subjected to a torrent of racist abuse. I would assume he's simply sticking up for the other players in the squad who will rightly be mortified that a team mate can habour (regardless of the context of celebration) racist/ sexist, mysoginistic/ homophobic views or air them. 

Enzo might be sorry, but he broadcast his own downfall here so I really dont have much sympathy for the player whatsoever. The club have some tough decisions to make and given that there appears to be a gulf in what is acceptable in the AFA, and the EPL/CFC, there is some ground for concessionary acts by the club to the player... but its really down to the squad imo on whether they want to play with a guy like Fernandez and accept his contrition and a massive change of behaviour on Enzo's part.