Now I'm in no was shape or form a potter out supporter, I'm 28 I've been brought up in the abramovich era but still old enough to remember the ken bates era. one thing that's never sat well with me is the constant sacking of managers who don't preform well. But out of the last 8 winning just 1 and losing 4, somethings got to give. where do we turn now especially falling down the league. very interested to see peoples opinions. this is why we love football we all have an opinion. 

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Stick with him regardless in my opinion. I'm happy to take a year out of Europe to actually build something for once. We've seen the good that it did for Arsenal, they had two years finishing 7th and have stuck by Arteta and are reaping the rewards. Everywhere Potter has been he's took time to get going and had some abysmal patches before it got better. The job he did at Ostersund is bordering on a miracle and they've dropped off massively since he left. Finish in the top half of the table and get ready for next season for me. 

I couldn't agree more. it just bugs me that the fickle minded supporters want him gone. Europe isn't the be all end, with that being said it will be interesting to see who he brings in. and how he builds his team around him. I really do hope this is a fresh era of sticking by a manager rather than what we've all been used to over the years of if you dont preform then you're out. should also keep in mind we have great players coming through our home grown ranks. lewis hall to name a few. he should obviously focus on bringing talent in but also remember we have a forever prospering academy system. 

Potter's only staying for image purposes. To make Boehly and Co. not look like schmucks (even when they already do) by sticking with their man for their "long-term project".

The club's already midtable and may even be bottom table if this downward momentum continues.

30 minutes ago, Barnesy_sw6 said:

I couldn't agree more. it just bugs me that the fickle minded supporters want him gone. Europe isn't the be all end, with that being said it will be interesting to see who he brings in. and how he builds his team around him. I really do hope this is a fresh era of sticking by a manager rather than what we've all been used to over the years of if you dont preform then you're out. should also keep in mind we have great players coming through our home grown ranks. lewis hall to name a few. he should obviously focus on bringing talent in but also remember we have a forever prospering academy system. 

Sadly with the money it attracted a lot of new wave fans who only follow Chelsea for the silverware, notout of love for the club. 

I'm slightly contradicting myself from my stance earlier in the season and to be honest I still believe questions have to be asked if we don't even make Europe but there has to be some mitigation with our injury list. It's even worse than last year which I didn't think possible.

Everyone's raving about United and Ten Hag but look at how they and he looked at the start of the season without Varane and Casemiro, now imagine Martinez, Eriksen, DDG and Rashford are taken away too.

That said Potter has still got it all to prove, performances like this with a fully fit squad then he's got nowhere to hide.

Think this "failure" of a season needed to happen in order for us to fully grow as a club. 

Nothing to lose at this point.  Write the results of this season off, but it is imperative we start to see improvement.  That comes from getting first team starters healthy and fit, integrate youth that can make a difference, and improving patterns of play and ultimately single match results.  Start dominating "lesser" sides and competing with top 6 sides in games.

Deeper than this and both on and off the field, the culture of the club has to get back to a winning mentality full of desire.  If players aren't leaving it all out on the pitch, drop them. 

Tuchel once said he'd build a team no one wants to play against.  Now everyone wants to play us.  This is what I want to see. 

8 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Nothing to lose at this point.  Write the results of this season off, but it is imperative we start to see improvement.  That comes from getting first team starters healthy and fit, integrate youth that can make a difference, and improving patterns of play and ultimately single match results.  Start dominating "lesser" sides and competing with top 6 sides in games.

Deeper than this and both on and off the field, the culture of the club has to get back to a winning mentality full of desire.  If players aren't leaving it all out on the pitch, drop them. 

Tuchel once said he'd build a team no one wants to play against.  Now everyone wants to play us.  This is what I want to see. 

Ideally the new owners would have brought in a Director of Football earlier and left Tuchel to manage the team. Then he might had a chance to build his team. However that ship has sailed and hopefully the new owners can stay the course with their new strategic plan.

Don't buy any of this If you love the club or just the glory silverware crap Im a fan since 74 I want the glory and silverware not mid table or fighting off relegation stuff that some on here seem to dream about and want to return to . We got rid of managers so what it worked no one has won more silverware than us in Romans era. Every club gets rid of managers quick if they can't cut it at the top only a few can.  People keep on about the Arse and Arteta he had his sticky patches but won a cup in his 1st season and had them competingfor top 4 right till the end of each season. We are Chelsea one of the top teams in the world 

6 hours ago, Blue72 said:

Don't buy any of this If you love the club or just the glory silverware crap Im a fan since 74 I want the glory and silverware not mid table or fighting off relegation stuff that some on here seem to dream about and want to return to . We got rid of managers so what it worked no one has won more silverware than us in Romans era. Every club gets rid of managers quick if they can't cut it at the top only a few can.  People keep on about the Arse and Arteta he had his sticky patches but won a cup in his 1st season and had them competingfor top 4 right till the end of each season. We are Chelsea one of the top teams in the world 

This why can't it be both, people need to stop comparing us with other clubs. It's fine we're trying the long term plan and sure give Potter time but it seems to me some people are so obsessed with idea of a long term appointment they lose sight of the possibility that the one we have isn't the right one. 

It's far from unstainable atm, I reserve complete judgement until the end of the season because he's not even had half a season yet. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see passion from him though. I worry he's too nice and in this industry that isn't necessarily a trait coaches want when working with elite talent. Even Klopp who puts his arm around his players and Pep too know when to be stern. I think GP will learn a lot from this job regardless how long he sticks around. 

I too like the op am 28 and so I've seen a few iterations of this club under several managers. My concern is once you lose the identity of what made you great it can be a long climb to get it back. A lot of people when they talk about Liverpool these days seem to forget that they weren't a real force domestically for a long long time (30 years) and internationally they waited 14 years for another ucl. Man United fell so far off I think some people have actually forgot how dominant they once were. 

This is Arsenal's best run at the title since what like 04, they've had runs but this season feels like it could be different they actually look like the best team in the country. Arsenal shouldn't be used as an example of what we could become by sticking with Potter but a cautionary tale for what happens when the ownership don't know what they're doing and continously appointment the wrong coach as is Liverpool and as is United. 

42 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

This why can't it be both, people need to stop comparing us with other clubs. It's fine we're trying the long term plan and sure give Potter time but it seems to me some people are so obsessed with idea of a long term appointment they lose sight of the possibility that the one we have isn't the right one. 

It's far from unstainable atm, I reserve complete judgement until the end of the season because he's not even had half a season yet. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see passion from him though. I worry he's too nice and in this industry that isn't necessarily a trait coaches want when working with elite talent. Even Klopp who puts his arm around his players and Pep too know when to be stern. I think GP will learn a lot from this job regardless how long he sticks around. 

I too like the op am 28 and so I've seen a few iterations of this club under several managers. My concern is once you lose the identity of what made you great it can be a long climb to get it back. A lot of people when they talk about Liverpool these days seem to forget that they weren't a real force domestically for a long long time (30 years) and internationally they waited 14 years for another ucl. Man United fell so far off I think some people have actually forgot how dominant they once were. 

This is Arsenal's best run at the title since what like 04, they've had runs but this season feels like it could be different they actually look like the best team in the country. Arsenal shouldn't be used as an example of what we could become by sticking with Potter but a cautionary tale for what happens when the ownership don't know what they're doing and continously appointment the wrong coach as is Liverpool and as is United. 

We all want success. 

Those that want Potter out think getting a new manager will mean best chance of success next season. 

Those that want Potter to stay think that's the best chance of winning the league the season after. 

14 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

We all want success. 

Those that want Potter out think getting a new manager will mean best chance of success next season. 

Those that want Potter to stay think that's the best chance of winning the league the season after. 

Perhaps, but I think there is a third group that a number of people are in that seem to be misrepresented as anti Potter. That group consists of those that can see the benefits of a longer term strategy and a change in the recruitment structure, but the concern is that with the frivolous levels of spending going on in some parts if the project is right but the management and recruitment teams are wrong we could be digging our own graves, by disappearing down the league with half a billion pound subordinated loan around our necks and a US investment fund slowly killing the club.

Nobody can predict the future and Potter needs time to succeed or fail, but let's not forget that this is a different regime altogether.  This goes all wrong in a year or two we might not be able to rip it up and start again.

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12 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Perhaps, but I think there is a third group that a number of people are in that seem to be misrepresented as anti Potter. That group consists of those that can see the benefits of a longer term strategy and a change in the recruitment structure, but the concern is that with the frivolous levels of spending going on in some parts if the project is right but the management and recruitment teams are wrong we could be digging our own graves, by disappearing down the league with half a billion pound subordinated loan around our necks and a US investment fund slowly killing the club.

Nobody can predict the future and Potter needs time to succeed or fail, but let's not forget that this is a different regime altogether.  This goes all wrong in a year or two we might not be able to rip it up and start again.

True, a part of me probably is in that third group. But I do believe we overhype the credentials of "elite" managers in this country. Potter would be getting jobs at AC Milan, juve, Atletico Madrid, PSG if he had the relative success in those leagues. 

Either way, every Chelsea fan has the same intention, let's be successful again. Some are frightened we are heading for a dark place, some are optimistic we are heading to somewhere great. Maybe I'm just forcing myself to be in that second camp 😅

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13 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Perhaps, but I think there is a third group that a number of people are in that seem to be misrepresented as anti Potter. That group consists of those that can see the benefits of a longer term strategy and a change in the recruitment structure, but the concern is that with the frivolous levels of spending going on in some parts if the project is right but the management and recruitment teams are wrong we could be digging our own graves, by disappearing down the league with half a billion pound subordinated loan around our necks and a US investment fund slowly killing the club.

Nobody can predict the future and Potter needs time to succeed or fail, but let's not forget that this is a different regime altogether.  This goes all wrong in a year or two we might not be able to rip it up and start again.

Count me in as a member of this group. Private equity bros who basically got fabulously wealthy in an environment that rewarded said frivolity, paying themselves huge bonuses with borrowed money at rock bottom interest rates. Private equity is due a reckoning imo , and based on the moves they’ve made so far, why should these guys be the ones that come through it unscathed?

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I think that Potter might not be the long term solution for the club given his inability to implement an attacking mindset where goal-scoring won't be a problem.

So either he will get better and show some personal growth in 2 years, or we will be looking for a new manager much sooner before his contract expires. He does need the summer transfer window to start rebuilding and after that most likely another summer transfer window but if we keep getting a 50% win rate with him I don't believe he's going to last even if the idea is to give him a lot of time.

Of course we can't sack him yet, that's insane, almost as insane as employing him in the first place. 

 

Todd is going to destroy everything Roman built for us in 2 years

I'm very hesitant hearing calls for Potter to be sacked already, after only 17 games in charge. The club would be a total circus if that happened.

It only happens if we slump further and start entering a relegation dogfight.

Heck, even Roman gave managers at least 40 games before making a decision one way or another.

17 minutes ago, Jezz said:

I'm very hesitant hearing calls for Potter to be sacked already, after only 17 games in charge. The club would be a total circus if that happened.

It only happens if we slump further and start entering a relegation dogfight.

Heck, even Roman gave managers at least 40 games before making a decision one way or another.

Tuchel was sacked after 6 games!

12 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Tuchel was sacked after 6 games!

6 games into a new season.

He coached in 100 games over his whole tenure.

1 hour ago, Jezz said:

6 games into a new season.

He coached in 100 games over his whole tenure.

Not under the new owners!

I’m just messing about with you. I don’t think he will be sacked.

On 07/01/2023 at 10:50, bisright1 said:

True, a part of me probably is in that third group. But I do believe we overhype the credentials of "elite" managers in this country. Potter would be getting jobs at AC Milan, juve, Atletico Madrid, PSG if he had the relative success in those leagues. 

Either way, every Chelsea fan has the same intention, let's be successful again. Some are frightened we are heading for a dark place, some are optimistic we are heading to somewhere great. Maybe I'm just forcing myself to be in that second camp 😅

I highly disagree about the elite manager part. Only a small subgroup of coaches have won the Premier league (specifically not referring to the first division or any name changes prior to 92). There's a reason for that, you need to be one of the top coaches in the world.

The reason elite managers are sought after in this league is because of the level of competitiveness. I'm sure there's plenty of research studies that support the notion that previous success elsewhere is more indicative of future success (inside and outside of football). You may think that's pretty obvious, but, the point is certain clubs (elite) only stay elite because they demand a certain level from their coaches and players. Perhaps we've stopped demanding that from our players, one thing is for certain we stopped demanding it from our coaches under this new regime.

Roman based his coach appointing philosophy on this aforementioned notion and it led to unparalleled success. When you speak of relative success I'm not sure what you mean but Potter isn't getting the Juve, PSG or Athleti job with the 'relative success' he's had in this league if it was in those leagues. 

To put it into perspective while every team that we consider a rival is moving forward we seem to be moving backwards at a fairly quick pace.

So what do we consider elite? That's debatable, does making top 4 in the most competitive league prove you're an elite coach? Debatable, does winning a league title from one of the top 5 leagues prove you're elite? Does winning the UCL/multiple UCLs or multiple Europas prove it? Everyone has their own criteria, does Potter have the potential to be elite? Ofc anyone in theory could be. But he is not atm and we all know this, Boehly is gambling on the possibility he becomes an elite coach during his tenure.

I think I'm more in the third group, on the balance of what I've seen my mind hasn't changed from when he was initially appointed. Which was a mix of shock/disappointment for TT sacking, intrigue but also caution at Potter's appointment knowing he's an unknown entity.

20 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I highly disagree about the elite manager part. Only a small subgroup of coaches have won the Premier league (specifically not referring to the first division or any name changes prior to 92). There's a reason for that, you need to be one of the top coaches in the world.

The reason elite managers are sought after in this league is because of the level of competitiveness. I'm sure there's plenty of research studies that support the notion that previous success elsewhere is more indicative of future success (inside and outside of football). You may think that's pretty obvious, but, the point is certain clubs (elite) only stay elite because they demand a certain level from their coaches and players. Perhaps we've stopped demanding that from our players, one thing is for certain we stopped demanding it from our coaches under this new regime.

Roman based his coach appointing philosophy on this aforementioned notion and it led to unparalleled success. When you speak of relative success I'm not sure what you mean but Potter isn't getting the Juve, PSG or Athleti job with the 'relative success' he's had in this league if it was in those leagues. 

To put it into perspective while every team that we consider a rival is moving forward we seem to be moving backwards at a fairly quick pace.

So what do we consider elite? That's debatable, does making top 4 in the most competitive league prove you're an elite coach? Debatable, does winning a league title from one of the top 5 leagues prove you're elite? Does winning the UCL/multiple UCLs or multiple Europas prove it? Everyone has their own criteria, does Potter have the potential to be elite? Ofc anyone in theory could be. But he is not atm and we all know this, Boehly is gambling on the possibility he becomes an elite coach during his tenure.

I think I'm more in the third group, on the balance of what I've seen my mind hasn't changed from when he was initially appointed. Which was a mix of shock/disappointment for TT sacking, intrigue but also caution at Potter's appointment knowing he's an unknown entity.

Milan have Poli, Napoli winning league with Spalotti, PSG currently have Galtier, Munich have Nagelsmann, Barca have Xavi. 

None of these managers would be considered any better than Potter if they had only managed in england and not their respective leagues. That's what I was referring to. 

 

You cannot not compare Spalotti to Potter mate just look at their accolades, Spalotti won multiple coaches of the year in Serie A and won the Russian league.

Nagelsmann tbf is a unique appointment by Bayern you wouldn't normally expect that from them. Naagelsman differs from Potter as he had Leipzig in the ucl and took them to the quarter finals so not really the same situation. He's coached at the elite level despite his young age

Xavi completely different situation he was an accomplished player and got the Zidane, Lampard treatment by his club he won multiple UCLs with.

Galtier won cups in France and was the manager of the year during the previous season. Look I know what you're trying to say mate, but those are not the examples you want to compare with Potter. The reason being there aren't many appointments like this, why because usually elite clubs stick to known entities hereby meaning look for coaches that have coached at the elite level.