My honest opinion. If he want to come good he need stop thinking that he is CR7 or Neymar. 

Play simple and utilize his crazy pace get behind and then you can use your skillmove. 

10 hours ago, Remodez said:

No but it hasn't hindered them as their other options aren't very good either. Very similar to us. 

Difference is United are giving them chances to play into form, we bench Mudryk and he's rarely seen again. 

Garnacho has looked good for United but only off the bench rather than starting. Perhaps he does better against tired defenses. But other than that I am not really sure who they would see as a challenger to Antony.

45 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

My honest opinion. If he want to come good he need stop thinking that he is CR7 or Neymar. 

Play simple and utilize his crazy pace get behind and then you can use your skillmove. 

I agree that we need him to get in behind defences.....

....but we need to create the conditions for him to do it.

 

Bringing him in with 10 mins to go, against a deep sitting defence, that is holding on to a lead, is NOT the way to go.

If we want to utilise him only as a sub, then it should be to bring him on when we are winning, against teams chasing a goal - because that leaves more space in behind for him to exploit. 

11 hours ago, reparto corse said:

This is actually a very good point. We always bring on Mudryk when we try to break down a team parking the bus. This is not what he is good at. 

Fair point. I would definitely be interested to see how he does starting a game. He probably would have started against Wimbledon if he hadn't picked up a small injury.

He has worried me a bit defensively when he has played too. I know that shouldn't be a key role for a forward but the best wingers still need to put the work in defensively. Hopefully he can improve with experience

15 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

There is a big enigma here and I do not agree that he is/will flop. Not a chance. For me he is pure quality and needs a lot of game time. 

He looked electric at the U21 Euro this summer and had a very good pre season with Chelsea. 

What has happened after the pre season? He is a marquee signing that can't get regular starts and I blame it on the coaching staff and their false start in terms of tactics. 

I get that their plans might have taken a knock once Nkunku got injured, but even so, why shift to a three at the back all of a sudden and play so many defenders and midfielders at the same time? 

The current tactics are totally wrong IMHO and Pochettino should act fast. Revert to a four at the back just like in pre season, put T. Silva and Gallagher on the bench and be brave and be more attacking. 

He's not a marquee signing. We paid 62m for some immense raw talent and that's okay, but people need to understand what he actually is. Cole Palmer is 18 months younger but has better experience.

Also, we are not and have not played 3 at the back yet. Colwill has played LB and Chilwell LW. Chilwell at LW isn't great but he offers some consistency over Mudryk. Note that in this period Poch was also short on options, Mudryk being the only alternative unless he changes the system.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

Fair point. I would definitely be interested to see how he does starting a game. He probably would have started against Wimbledon if he hadn't picked up a small injury.

He has worried me a bit defensively when he has played too. I know that shouldn't be a key role for a forward but the best wingers still need to put the work in defensively. Hopefully he can improve with experience

As a winger unless you are a superstar, you don't defend you don't play. 

6 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

I agree that we need him to get in behind defences.....

....but we need to create the conditions for him to do it.

 

Bringing him in with 10 mins to go, against a deep sitting defence, that is holding on to a lead, is NOT the way to go.

If we want to utilise him only as a sub, then it should be to bring him on when we are winning, against teams chasing a goal - because that leaves more space in behind for him to exploit. 

On the wing, it is possible to get behind. We have Enzo and we have Colwill who is a terrific passer on the left. 

The question with murdyk what happen when you get the ball. Are you going to play simple or you think you are cr7. Taking shot from 40 yards. Keep taking on player no matter what happen kinda show that you think you are the later. 

 

8 hours ago, venom2011 said:

He's not a marquee signing. We paid 62m for some immense raw talent and that's okay, but people need to understand what he actually is. Cole Palmer is 18 months younger but has better experience.

Did we?

If it wasn't for the transfer fee I don't think anyone would think there's much talent there at all.

For me Mudryk is a very low ceiling player we've seen plenty of extremely quick wingers over the years who don't have the technical ability or the understanding of the game to be effective and almost all of them never develop what they lack.

Mudryk lacks both.

As someone where I sit calls him Ukraine bolt. Super fast but that's it. No final ball no ball control can't score. Certainly no prime Hazard sorry not anywhere near good enough 

11 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Did we?

If it wasn't for the transfer fee I don't think anyone would think there's much talent there at all.

For me Mudryk is a very low ceiling player we've seen plenty of extremely quick wingers over the years who don't have the technical ability or the understanding of the game to be effective and almost all of them never develop what they lack.

Mudryk lacks both.

Cool, so you are of course aware that your opinion - informed or not - flies in the face of the opinion of the best football recruiters in the business. And accordingly, you believe that their opinion was swayed by his transfer fee. Now I'm not saying that a brave soul with a keyboard doesn't know what he's talking about but, then again, I've been wrong before...

I've see the kid run at 36 km/h, scan the field like he's fn David Silva, play a superbly weighted reverse pass to player making an outside-to-in run behind him, that should have led to a goal opportunity if not for the receiver. There is not a pace merchant in the world who can do what I just described.

He's not on the bench because of his lack of technical ability, football IQ, or work ethic. He's there because his tactical education is severely underdeveloped and he'll be a late bloomer because of it.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, venom2011 said:

 

 

What does his national team mate and fellow professional know?! @Whats_The_Mata? expert opinion is that his ceiling is very low, we should listen to him and cancel his contract.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What does his national team mate and fellow professional know?! 

Probably that it's both natural and standard PR to praise your team mate and friend?  What else would he say? Did you believe you were the most handsome boy in the world when your grandmother told you so?

I trust the managers who have no reason to bias and who's jobs depend on performances and so far none of the three Mudryk has had here seem to believe this great hidden potential can help us get results.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What does his national team mate and fellow professional know?! @Whats_The_Mata? expert opinion is that his ceiling is very low, we should listen to him and cancel his contract.

I think you can see the speed and the agility.

But the most important bit is  zinchenko basically say Ukraine league is very bad and murdyk right now looks more like Ukraine league player than PL player. 

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What does his national team mate and fellow professional know?! @Whats_The_Mata? expert opinion is that his ceiling is very low, we should listen to him and cancel his contract.

3 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Probably that it's both natural and standard PR to praise your team mate and friend?  What else would he say? Did you believe you were the most handsome boy in the world when your grandmother told you so?

I trust the managers who have no reason to bias and who's jobs depend on performances and so far none of the three Mudryk has had here seem to believe this great hidden potential can help us get results.

Maybe both of you are right in your thinking, nothing wrong having faith in a player. I think Mudryk has talent to be very good but it's yet to be seen if he has the head to compete at this level.

Right now we should have a bit of faith in the manager and what he's doing first and foremost.

Im now questioning my grandmother though...

You know what, I'm probably repeating myself a lot on this subject but it's something I've been thinking about.

I was annoyed with him, and initially I just flat out said if he's good enough then he'll show it in the minutes he gets, that's on him if he isn't performing. Quality players will show their quality despite the minutes they get. Then I remembered Mohammad Salah, and how quick many of us were to bin him because he would perform piss poorly in the minimal minutes he would get off the bench for Chelsea. The same Salah who we all know went on to be one of the best players in the Premier League. 

And just like Mudryk does now, Salah always wanted to just burst onto the scene and make things happen, like he was in a mad rush to prove a point. Then he would make mistakes and put in an absolute stinker. 
 

I think we really need to start giving Mudryk a chance, let's not make the same mistake we made with Salah. I believe he's got a lot of potential, give him some starts and see if he develops. It's far better than wasting that position on Chilwell who can't even play in that position properly. 

6 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

You know what, I'm probably repeating myself a lot on this subject but it's something I've been thinking about.

I was annoyed with him, and initially I just flat out said if he's good enough then he'll show it in the minutes he gets, that's on him if he isn't performing. Quality players will show their quality despite the minutes they get. Then I remembered Mohammad Salah, and how quick many of us were to bin him because he would perform piss poorly in the minimal minutes he would get off the bench for Chelsea. The same Salah who we all know went on to be one of the best players in the Premier League. 

And just like Mudryk does now, Salah always wanted to just burst onto the scene and make things happen, like he was in a mad rush to prove a point. Then he would make mistakes and put in an absolute stinker. 
 

I think we really need to start giving Mudryk a chance, let's not make the same mistake we made with Salah. I believe he's got a lot of potential, give him some starts and see if he develops. It's far better than wasting that position on Chilwell who can't even play in that position properly. 

I like your Salah comparison. When Liverpool won the CL against Tottenham there was an excellent interview in the HT where Salah told he started to train scoring goals when he joined Roma. He got a goal in his backyard and he just systemically started to score in many different ways to improve that area of his game. Sort of making it more as an instinct. 

After some time he started to score and the rest is history.

Today a ton of stories have emerged where they say Mudryk is training rigorously in the gym to get stronger in every way. So he has the brain for this stuff. 

I personally think Mudryk just needs some positive experiences with the team and game time. We have 4 points from 4 games which makes it very difficult for Pochettino to field him if the feeling is he needs 5-6 games to start ticking.

7 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

You know what, I'm probably repeating myself a lot on this subject but it's something I've been thinking about.

I was annoyed with him, and initially I just flat out said if he's good enough then he'll show it in the minutes he gets, that's on him if he isn't performing. Quality players will show their quality despite the minutes they get. Then I remembered Mohammad Salah, and how quick many of us were to bin him because he would perform piss poorly in the minimal minutes he would get off the bench for Chelsea. The same Salah who we all know went on to be one of the best players in the Premier League. 

And just like Mudryk does now, Salah always wanted to just burst onto the scene and make things happen, like he was in a mad rush to prove a point. Then he would make mistakes and put in an absolute stinker. 
 

I think we really need to start giving Mudryk a chance, let's not make the same mistake we made with Salah. I believe he's got a lot of potential, give him some starts and see if he develops. It's far better than wasting that position on Chilwell who can't even play in that position properly. 

Imagine you have Hazard and Salah. 

You say, I want to develop salah. So you play him through his strength you basically play him as the highest player. So I will push salah high, keep feeding him the ball. Then I will ask Hazard to defend like willian. 

😁😁😁

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Imagine you have Hazard and Salah. 

You say, I want to develop salah. So you play him through his strength you basically play him as the highest player. So I will push salah high, keep feeding him the ball. Then I will ask Hazard to defend like willian. 

😁😁😁

 

 

Salah was never going to survive in Mourinho MK2 Chelsea. Oscar also got favoured over KDB just because he worked a lot harder, even though KDB went on to be the far superior footballer. 

It's a sad state of affairs when you look back on those two but it is what it is, maybe we should learn from it? I'm not saying Mudryk is going to be the next Salah, but I do get those vibes sometimes. He has huge drive and massive bursts of acceleration that if he's on his game he's unstoppable. But we seem to just throw him off the bench when we are chasing a game and it's like he's trying to do too much on his own. 

1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Probably that it's both natural and standard PR to praise your team mate and friend?  What else would he say? Did you believe you were the most handsome boy in the world when your grandmother told you so?

I trust the managers who have no reason to bias and who's jobs depend on performances and so far none of the three Mudryk has had here seem to believe this great hidden potential can help us get results.

He could quite simply say yeah he's a good player. He didn't need to wax lyrical about him the way he did. 

I'm sure you know more though.

1 hour ago, Victor90 said:

Salah was never going to survive in Mourinho MK2 Chelsea. Oscar also got favoured over KDB just because he worked a lot harder, even though KDB went on to be the far superior footballer. 

It's a sad state of affairs when you look back on those two but it is what it is, maybe we should learn from it? I'm not saying Mudryk is going to be the next Salah, but I do get those vibes sometimes. He has huge drive and massive bursts of acceleration that if he's on his game he's unstoppable. But we seem to just throw him off the bench when we are chasing a game and it's like he's trying to do too much on his own. 

If you want to develop players properly. You don't just throw them into game and just play.  

The big question with murdyk is that does he want to get better. Is he going to stop trying to beat player 3v1 and shoot from 40 yards? You don't need play time to stop doing this, you just need stop thinking that you are cr7. This is the start of everything. 

What murdyk need is not playtime. He need proper coaching who can kick the bad stuff from his game and develop his game because he has many problem and then we can talk about playtime. 

As long as murdyk is willing to learn which is a big question mark. Poch has very good reputation in term of individual development, he will get better

 

 

“My level? Look at Vinicius in his first season at Real Madrid, and look now. Players need time to show their level after moving from one country to another country,” he said. 

😬😬😬

7 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

“My level? Look at Vinicius in his first season at Real Madrid, and look now. Players need time to show their level after moving from one country to another country,” he said. 

😬😬😬

What exactly do you disagree with here?

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What exactly do you disagree with here?

Vinicius came to RM when he was 18.

He need to stop thinking himself as Vinicius. 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Vinicius came to RM when he was 18.

He need to stop thinking himself as Vinicius. 

Experience isn't solely measured by age, its by game time exposure, which Mudryk hardly has any and least of all at the top level. 

VInicius was touted the next big thing in Brazil yet looked like a clown his first couple of seasons at Real. Real still did their utmost best to play him regularly and develop him.