While I don't agree with people not rating him and saying he won't make it at Chelsea, I can accept it as an each to their own opinion, but to say he has no technical ability and he's just a sprinter is obviously not true.

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Experience isn't solely measured by age, its by game time exposure, which Mudryk hardly has any and least of all at the top level. 

VInicius was touted the next big thing in Brazil yet looked like a clown his first couple of seasons at Real. Real still did their utmost best to play him regularly and develop him. 

When player in their 18, their body is not developed yet. They will usually get into their "man" body by the time they are 21/22. You see this in all kind of sport. 

Murdyk on the other hand has no speed/strength problem. He has decision making problem. He need to have tons tons of video session with a coach and then extra session to emphasize on the lesson. More importantly he need to stop listening to people who say he is vinicius/cr7. 

 

 

 

 

Just now, Bob stark said:

When player in their 18, their body is not developed yet. They will usually get into their "man" body by the time they are 21/22. You see this in all kind of sport. 

Murdyk on the other hand has no speed/strength problem. He has decision making problem. He need to have tons tons of video session with a coach and then extra session to emphasize on the lesson. More importantly he need to stop listening to people who say he is vinicius/cr7. 

I couldn't care less about when their  "man" body is developed. I care more about how much exposure they have playing at the highest level. Vinicius looked like a clown his first 2-3 seasons at Real until he fully nurtured his ability. Playing almost 40 matches a season until then. 

 

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I couldn't care less about when their  "man" body is developed. 

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Some reports we want him to spend less time in the gym and more on recovery. 

He apparently does a gym session in morning before training and one right after every day.

59 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Some reports we want him to spend less time in the gym and more on recovery. 

He apparently does a gym session in morning before training and one right after every day.

Take it from me, as someone who struggles to open a ring-pull can of baked beans, that's excessive.

7 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Probably that it's both natural and standard PR to praise your team mate and friend?  What else would he say? Did you believe you were the most handsome boy in the world when your grandmother told you so?

I trust the managers who have no reason to bias and who's jobs depend on performances and so far none of the three Mudryk has had here seem to believe this great hidden potential can help us get results.

Good to know. Unfortunately I snipped out the bit where Poch said he had a low ceiling.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Some reports we want him to spend less time in the gym and more on recovery. 

He apparently does a gym session in morning before training and one right after every day.

Perhaps we should want him to spend less time in the gym and more time on the training ground because he plays like he's never seen a football pitch or even a football in his life.

I know it's very hard to do as fans, but I just want us to forget about table places or finishing position come league end.

This season's measure should be is the team working? are they having an identity? what's our tactical level like? Are we technically proficient? Do we look like we are moving in the right direction? And those questions should be asked around 4 games to season end and not 4 games into season.

Do you not understand that we have just gutted our entire team, even though it is so cliche now, we are literally rebuilding from all parts of the pitch. With not just new players to the league but to themselves as well. How many of those players have stood side by side on the same pitch for more than 10 games together. The answer is very few. Probably 4 or 5 at a stretch. That's a very young team of strangers on a new league with expectations of the fans on their shoulders based on what they have cost.

Let's give them time. They are raw and rightly so. Let the manager work with them for a season, fine tune what has the potential to be one hell of a sleek outfit. They'll come good. Let's just give them time.

 

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by abister1
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Nobody is giving up on him, manager will give him chances as well as he needs to earn them. I see the whole gym training thing as he needs to do more skill based drills, rather than bulk up. I mean Traore is fast and strong as any athlete, but most managers would prefer a Silva.

18 hours ago, Bob stark said:

“My level? Look at Vinicius in his first season at Real Madrid, and look now. Players need time to show their level after moving from one country to another country,” he said. 

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TBF it took Vini 3 season and 118 games at Madrid before his breakout season.

Mudryk is currently at 8 months and 20 games made up of sub appearances.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

TBF it took Vini 3 season and 118 games at Madrid before his breakout season.

Mudryk is currently at 8 months and 20 games made up of sub appearances.

Vinicius was 18. I don't understand how can you compare them.  At 17/18 your body is not fully developed yet. 

I also don't understand with people who say we should play murdyk. It is actually the other way around, Murdyk need to show that the deserved to play. Shooting from 40 yards, trying to beat player 3v1 are not the way to go. And no playing more doesn’t solve this. 

 

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Vinicius was 18. I don't understand how can you compare them.  At 17/18 your body is not fully developed yet. 

I also don't understand with people who say we should play murdyk. It is actually the other way around, Murdyk need to show that the deserved to play. Shooting from 40 yards, trying to beat player 3v1 are not the way to go. And no playing more doesn’t solve this. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/do-guys-keep-growing-until-age-25#:~:text=Even if you hit puberty,ways well into their twenties.

Growth charts show that most males grow very little after the age of 18.

Experience is gained from playing matches, not from when you believe your body stops growing. 

You know how Mudryk will learn to make better options? By playing and EXPERIENCING it on the pitch. 

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

https://www.healthline.com/health/do-guys-keep-growing-until-age-25#:~:text=Even if you hit puberty,ways well into their twenties.

Growth charts show that most males grow very little after the age of 18.

Experience is gained from playing matches, not from when you believe your body stops growing. 

You know how Mudryk will learn to make better options? By playing and EXPERIENCING it on the pitch. 

Nobody is talking about height. 

Shooting for 40 yards and try to beat 3v1 are not decision making problem. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nobody is talking about height. 

Shooting for 40 yards and try to beat 3v1 are not decision making problem. 

 

 

 

 

What's Ronaldo learning what a gym is got to do with anything. Funny enough 2013 on the above is when Ronaldo lost all his balance and dribbling ability too.

Two pictures above, one from Vivi's first season and one from last year. His body composition has barely changed.

shooting from 40 yards and trying to win a 3v1 is absolutely a decision making problem, something that only improves through coaching and game time. 

34 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nobody is talking about height. 

Shooting for 40 yards and try to beat 3v1 are not decision making problem. 

 

 

 

 

That 2013 image is a joke photoshop.

I have more concerns about him playing with players also developing the same time as him.

Vini JR had some of the best more experienced players in world football next to him when he's making these mistakes. So did Ronaldo, sure Ronaldo is all hard work but he still was playing a long side some of the leagues best players at Utd.

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Sheva said:

I have more concerns about him playing with players also developing the same time as him.

Vini JR had some of the best more experienced players in world football next to him when he's making these mistakes. So did Ronaldo, sure Ronaldo is all hard work but he still was playing a long side some of the leagues best players at Utd.

 

 

 

Can't ask for much better than Sterling tbf to learn from

On 07/09/2023 at 13:10, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Probably that it's both natural and standard PR to praise your team mate and friend?  What else would he say? Did you believe you were the most handsome boy in the world when your grandmother told you so?

I trust the managers who have no reason to bias and who's jobs depend on performances and so far none of the three Mudryk has had here seem to believe this great hidden potential can help us get results.

Are you calling my grandmother a liar?

15 hours ago, coco said:

That 2013 image is a joke photoshop.

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I just want to make a point. I use Ronaldo because I know it is going easy to find his half naked picture

 

16 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What's Ronaldo learning what a gym is got to do with anything. Funny enough 2013 on the above is when Ronaldo lost all his balance and dribbling ability too.

Two pictures above, one from Vivi's first season and one from last year. His body composition has barely changed.

shooting from 40 yards and trying to win a 3v1 is absolutely a decision making problem, something that only improves through coaching and game time. 

Do you happen to find the one where he is half naked? 

No coach will tell you don't shoot from 40 yards or don't try 3v1. 

 

 

My opinion, the best place to play murdyk is as rw and ask him to play very wide so you can limit what he can do. The problem then why murdyk? Why not Madueke?  Why not palmer? 

Edited September 9, 20232 yr by Bob stark

6 hours ago, Bob stark said:

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I just want to make a point. I use Ronaldo because I know it is going easy to find his half naked picture

 

I hope you keep the memory stick in a hole under your floorboards.

You have to admire his consistency. He's a bit sh*t for Ukraine as well. 

All of your poignant or not so comparisons to prior players doesn’t negate the observation that so far to date there is no sign of an EPL elite winger in the lad, but we’ve seen others come before him and struggle under the RA regime culture only to be discarded before they became great. Must be challenging for a young player like him copes in the 🎪 of squad the 🤡s that run the club have once again assembled (30 strong with 7- 10 always out injured = Pochs preferred #). Personally I’m suspicious he might not ever make the grade but he does need to feature more or it’s just a vicious circle of no chance to get any form, player looks bad on pitch, fans & media criticize him, player devalues, investment impacted.