2 hours ago, big blue said:

Really Lampard shouldve been forced to play him in all those dead rubbers. This is the problem with raw players. They need alot of minutes. Realistically Mudryk needs to go out loan where he can play every week and fine tune his skills to compete here. 

We have gone with developing high potential players ourselves, but they are going to develop unless they play. Mudryk has completed 1 90 since he moved, he has started about 5 games, and came off the bench 10 times. 

Really isnt enough minutes. If we truly believe he is worth the money, then we should be giving him a long run in the team, in his best position, then we will have a better picture of whether we wasted our money or not.

To challenge for europe we need Mudryk and a few others to realize there potential.

A big thing that annoyed me with Lampard coming in, he came in with the least pressure a Chelsea manager could ever have, no matter how many games he lost by whatever score he wouldn't have got sacked. Yet he still didn't give the likes of Carney or Mudryk much of a runout when we could've at least got our youngsters more minutes in the PL.

Just a complete waste of an appointment if you ask me. 

Because I do feel like I've not seen enough of Mudryk yet, I get those Salah vibes. I'm not just saying this but I actually liked Salah at Chelsea, I thought his game against Stoke showed excellent signs of a rapid attacking winger. Sometimes I see it in Mudryk, and the pair of them want to constantly make things happen, but with the way we setup it's not working to their advantages.

I'm hoping the more we play over the course of the season, we'll see a different style of play, the football we were playing in pre-season. If Poch persists with 5 at the back I will be severely annoyed, but I don't think he will, I think it was just a necessary precaution to play that we only have Gallagher for defensive cover. 

3 hours ago, big blue said:

Really Lampard shouldve been forced to play him in all those dead rubbers. This is the problem with raw players. They need alot of minutes. Realistically Mudryk needs to go out loan where he can play every week and fine tune his skills to compete here. 

We have gone with developing high potential players ourselves, but they are going to develop unless they play. Mudryk has completed 1 90 since he moved, he has started about 5 games, and came off the bench 10 times. 

Really isnt enough minutes. If we truly believe he is worth the money, then we should be giving him a long run in the team, in his best position, then we will have a better picture of whether we wasted our money or not.

To challenge for europe we need Mudryk and a few others to realize there potential.

I agree that Lampard should have played him and the rest of the young players last season when we had nothing to play for,  I don't think Mudryk should be getting minutes here this season.

The problem I have with Mudryk is that I don't think he has much potential at all.

He's fundamentally a really bad footballer, people say he's raw but he isn't.  He's fast and can kick it past an isolated static defender when he's already running but that's really were his skillset ends.

in terms of technical quality he's nowhere near the standard required and I'm not sure at 22 he can develop to even be squad player standard here there's so much he needs to work on he's the kind of player you buy at 18 and loan out not sign for big money at 22.

His touch isn't good enough for this level and a good first touch is what separates PL level players from lower league players. 

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18 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Came on in Carney's role inside. He's the most obvious touchline winger i've ever seen. Just get a 433 going and get him running isolated with a full back. 

I like this. The next question is why? Why do we want to play a system that suit murdyk? Why not pick a system for Enzo, for Sterling, for Jackson or even Madueke. 

 

21 hours ago, Remodez said:

I can see why he had teams after him but I don't believe he will reach that potential with us if I'm being honest. Hope I'm wrong but I feel he would have been better off under Arteta or even De Zebri. 

If he continue to play like this then no chance he will play over Martinelli or even Trossard. 

Classic example of a player stifled by a ludicrous price tag 

Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying he’s total 2 bob but he’s never going to live up to the expectations that 90 mill quid purchase  comes along with and most of the supporters on here justifying his lack of performances to date with excuses 

lots of posters seem to expect him to become that superstar player despite him showing zero sign of that potential so far in blue but he can run fast so eventually he’ll become Naymeresque. Compare re him to a solid homegrown English player like Harvey Barnes whom barcodes got for a 3rd of the price slightly older  but a proper player already and contributing immediately.

The kid has been slagged off left and right but he has barely had a sniff of play time.
 

Definitely needs a stretch of consistent starts to gauge where he is at, I will hold my judgement until then.

52 minutes ago, dR3 said:

The kid has been slagged off left and right but he has barely had a sniff of play time.
 

Definitely needs a stretch of consistent starts to gauge where he is at, I will hold my judgement until then.

You and your dang common sense! Away with you!

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I like this. The next question is why? Why do we want to play a system that suit murdyk? Why not pick a system for Enzo, for Sterling, for Jackson or even Madueke. 

 

433 suits all players you just mentioned. 

I mean even our current system suits Mudryk, when Chilwell is acting as a left winger while Colwill is at LB. 

Issue right now is that Poch seems to trust Chilwell more in this role given his ability to go up and down the pitch and timing his runs in the final third to nearly perfection. 

Reminds me a lot of Gronkjaer in that he has great pace, but his decision making and final ball is poor more often than not. Hopefully this aspect of his game can be improved with coaching. He is young and could still develop into a very good player if he works on that aspect of his game.

Too early to tell but I am still perplexed at the transfer fee we paid for someone as unproven as him.

His best overall performance in a Chelsea shirt was his debut last season against Liverpool. He hasn't looked as confident since, bar a few flashes here and there.

You can see he is trying to handle the pressure but atm it is showing too much in his game. He is not relaxed at all. 

Good thing is he has all the talent to be a creator and goalscorer for us. 

He needs a run in the team I reckon 3-4 starts, just let him play and we have the personnel for. 4 3 3. Mourinho stuffed salah up the same way by not trusting him. He will make a few mistakes but as he settles in hopefully he will relax and let the talent out. There is obvious talent. Fast, beautiful soft touch, can beat a man and can shoot. 

We're two games into the season. I agree a run of games will likely help him. But I'm not going to get too upset if that run doesnt happen just yet. Poch has proven he's able to develop players, I think right now though the priority (rightly) is getting some wins on the board. Success breeds success, as the squad grows in confidence individuals will too.

We don't have much options for Friday, so if can't get a game after a full pre-season, he's not going to get much of a go this season. He has to do better, but I reckon it's better to start him fresh than expect him to come off the bench and get joy against packed defence.

19 minutes ago, ozboy said:

He needs a run in the team I reckon 3-4 starts, just let him play and we have the personnel for. 4 3 3. Mourinho stuffed salah up the same way by not trusting him. He will make a few mistakes but as he settles in hopefully he will relax and let the talent out. There is obvious talent. Fast, beautiful soft touch, can beat a man and can shoot. 

Totally agree. I remember some fans deriding Salah as nothing more than a "speed merchant" at the time when it was clear he had way more in his locker than that. Mykky hasn't played much football in his fledgling career and keeping him on the bench isn't going to help him.

With chuk out, Luton at home is as good a game as any to give him a full run at it. Not sure we can really put much stock in his two cameos so far. 

19 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

433 suits all players you just mentioned. 

But why play 3 attacker when you can play 4? 

15 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Totally agree. I remember some fans deriding Salah as nothing more than a "speed merchant" at the time when it was clear he had way more in his locker than that. Mykky hasn't played much football in his fledgling career and keeping him on the bench isn't going to help him.

The more important question is why did we want to get the best out of Salah when we had Hazard? 

 

10 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

The more important question is why did we want to get the best out of Salah when we had Hazard? 

 

Because two top players are better than one, I'd've thought.

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

But why play 3 attacker when you can play 4? 

Rather have two players comfortable playing as box to box number than try to show horn someone in as a 10 that isn't suited. Two number 8's are basically attackers.

25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Rather have two players comfortable playing as box to box number than try to show horn someone in as a 10 that isn't suited. Two number 8's are basically attackers.

This is where it get interesting. You want your 8 to play more like attacker which is what pep did with silva n kdb. 

I am not sure Enzo is an attacker though. You can try to force him there. But you basically make decision it is more important to get the best out of murdyk than enzo. 😬😬

You can also say I want just one of the 8 to be the attacker. But that is exactly what we are doing right now. 4231 and 433, with one of the 8 become more like a 10 is very similar. 

😁😁

This imo where tactic is fun for me as a fan. You can really see which player that manager want to really get the best out of. 

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This is where it get interesting. You want your 8 to play more like attacker which is what pep did with silva n kdb. 

I am not sure Enzo is an attacker though. You can try to force him there. But you basically make decision it is more important to get the best out of murdyk than enzo. 😬😬

You can also say I want just one of the 8 to be the attacker. But that is exactly what we are doing right now. 4231 and 433, with one of the 8 become more like a 10 is very similar. 

😁😁

This imo where tactic is fun for me as a fan. You can really see which player that manager want to really get the best out of. 

Enzo is an 8 anyway, we spent so much on actual DM's so he can play as an 'attacker'. 

Like you say, not much difference between a 4231 and a 433 but we have no real number 10 atm so may as well stack up in the middle. 

Reports he missed training today, doesn't say why. 

Would be a real shame if he's injured. The last thing he needs is more delays to finding his feet