6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

First half vs Serbia he looked like Zidane, but suddenly the Southgate coaching kicked in the second half and England never changed from that till the end of the tournament, it really felt like when the team played more naturally that they could do much better so in my mind there is no excuse for Gareth he looks like he's putting shackles on world class talents.

His gait and running style will always offer the opportunity for contrasting opinions.  At times he looks graceful, gliding across the pitch, running, Brooking like, with the ball at his feet and his head up. At other times, when urgency is required and a need to press the opposition is paramount, that same graceful stride now looks knackered and lumbering. 

That said as @Remodez pointed out to one of my other posts,  even when he is on the periphery of the game he still has that ability to pop up with something special.

 

 

This make no sense

9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

 

This make no sense

Really? i thought. It makes a lot of sense. He was the key player in the best team.  He was the metronome of the Spain team.  Rodri made the spain team work and they won all their games and thye played good football.

 

 

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Really? i thought. It makes a lot of sense. He was the key player in the best team.  He was the metronome of the Spain team.  Rodri made the spain team work and they won all their games and thye played good football.

 

 

7th best rated player in that Spain team. 

Nico Williams should have won it imo

Probably Nico or Olmo for me. 

Rodri probably a shoe in for the Balon d'Or and rightfully deserved. 

More proof that those involved with the FA are completely out of touch and the biggest obstacle between England and success.

16 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Anyone else just don’t like Bellingham? Seems like an arrogant prick half the time. Just walked off the pitch at full time without congratulating a single Spanish player. Not even his Real Madrid colleagues. Seems like a sore loser when ever he isn’t winning and “big brothering” other players. 

He's a complete c**t. Remember the CL games against Dortmund under Potter? We were winning so the c**t went, studs up, into Reece James. Dirty, cheating arrogant little twerp. Plus when he scored at the Euros giving it the "who else?". What a pratt.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

More proof that those involved with the FA are completely out of touch and the biggest obstacle between England and success.

Pls pls pls no...he needs to go. Former FA Chief exc. Is a dick.

On 13/07/2024 at 15:56, The Rising Sun said:

Hi mate.

We played a team over Clapham Common once who everyone knew had a reputation for violence. Before the game a couple of our lot had coshes in their kit bags... And lemon jiffy's filled with ammonia  and were letting the other lot know about it.

Nothing happened during the game, but one of them attacked the ref afterwards.

I think the story was they were a North London mob who had been banned from every where over that side. They were the only all black team around at that time .

 

Played on Clapham Common several times. One occasion the ref didn’t turn up, so our spongeman Bill stood in. Predominately black opponents and Bill had a Nazi earring. Black, white, pink what we all had in common was to devote our Sunday mornings to football, even though pretty much everyone had a  skinfull the night before. We can all remember occasions when it was pissing down and you hoped the ref would deem the pitch unplayable, or it would be ten minutes before kick off and your opponents had eight players- you’d be thinking, result, sleep off the hangover, next thing a car would arrive with five players inside.

Most games passed without incident but there was occasional flare ups. Jacko for St Merton getting a life ban for trying to get the ref to eat his own book after being sent off. Worst I saw was a bloke in a Ford Capri on Mitcham Common playing fields trying to run the ref over having been given his marching orders.

2 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

He's a complete c**t. Remember the CL games against Dortmund under Potter? We were winning so the c**t went, studs up, into Reece James. Dirty, cheating arrogant little twerp. Plus when he scored at the Euros giving it the "who else?". What a pratt.

He does seem to have an attitude problem though largely kept that under control for England thought he was unlucky not to get the goal of the tournament yesterday.

His assist also gives Palmer the opportunity.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

More proof that those involved with the FA are completely out of touch and the biggest obstacle between England and success.

I think we need another manager, let him retire on a high.... reaching a final on foreign soil. 

I would like to see Lampard given the opportunity though don't think we will win just better football.

Just now, strider6004 said:

I think we need another manager, let him retire on a high.... reaching a final on foreign soil. 

I would like to see Lampard given the opportunity though don't think we will win just better football.

Lampard will always be one of my favourite people in football, but if we hire him, we may as well have stuck with Southgate. This group deserves a good coach.

I like the idea of Tuchel as manager. But some folks feel the manager has to be English*. In which case Lee Carsley. He has already won the Euros with the England U21 team beating Spain in the final [Cole Palmer goal]. Continuity would work for me.
https://www.englandfootball.com/articles/2023/Jun/20/meet-england-mens-under-21-squad-with-charlie-cresswell-20230620

*Lee Carsley played for Ireland :0)

Guardian had an article about klopp being it but it also stated how well Southgate did, mehhh.

 

This one mentions a few more options but for one reason or another i just don't see any of them doing it (except carsley, don't know him).

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/15/eddie-howe-graham-potter-thomas-tuchel-england-manager-shortlist-if-gareth-southgate-steps-down

 

Edited July 15, 20242 yr by Simplymo

8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Probably Nico or Olmo for me. 

Rodri probably a shoe in for the Balon d'Or and rightfully deserved. 

Cucurella 👍

11 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Really? i thought. It makes a lot of sense. He was the key player in the best team.  He was the metronome of the Spain team.  Rodri made the spain team work and they won all their games and thye played good football.

 

 

You can pick Nico, yamal. 

For midfielder to win poty, there should be no standout attacker 

 

 

8 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

I like the idea of Tuchel as manager. But some folks feel the manager has to be English*. In which case Lee Carsley. He has already won the Euros with the England U21 team beating Spain in the final [Cole Palmer goal]. Continuity would work for me.
https://www.englandfootball.com/articles/2023/Jun/20/meet-england-mens-under-21-squad-with-charlie-cresswell-20230620

*Lee Carsley played for Ireland :0)

Still can't believe that's even a thing given the success of the women with a Dutch manager.

England is probably the one major country where that is definitely not a thing. 

I actually thought they were going to win it this time. If you looked at it with any ounce of logic, then of course, England shouldn't have even been in the equation. But the way things just kept falling into place, even to the point of Rodri going off at half time and Palmer stealing the equaliser, I am actually baffled it didn't happen. 

He gets a lot of stick, but I like Southgate. The bar for 'success' in English international football was so low when he took over, that he has to be called a success. Anyone who says that he should have won anything with the teams he has had is either arrogant or delusional. There have been great England teams that have never got close to where he has, there have been great teams from other nations that have also come short. He has raised that bar and is now punished for it. England fans are falling into the trap of a newly promoted side, who get a couple of years in mid table and then think they should be playing like 2010 Barca and winning the league so they sack the bloke that got them there. I think hes done a great job. 

However, he needs to move on now, for himself more than anything. I realsied this goes against my last point but I think there is a difference between wanting a manager to go because you're annoyed/think they have failed, and thinking a natural cycle has come to an end. He has taken England as far as he can, he has raised the bar for what will now be seen as successful. This tournament and the critisism he and the team recieved in the media and social media shows this. We are regressing to the toxic relationships the country has had with the team and if Southgate sticks around any longer, he risks losing the progress and praise he deserves for the job he's done. 

Personally, I would go all out for Tuchel. The bloke is built for tournament football. Everything you would say about what this England team is missing, he will give us. Howe is a good manager, but is yet to be proven as a winner. Lee Carsley would be a failure before he starts due to the public meltdown that would take place. I think Lampard would be decent but probably falls into the Howe category. But as I said, Tuchel for me. And we'll win the world cup, with a German, on penalties 😉

Edited July 16, 20242 yr by Niall1905

Think if we had had a coach of the calibre of Venables at his peak for this tournament, we would have won it.

Southgate - nice bloke but when it came to the crunch he was always gonna fall short 'cos he just didn't have the balls to drop the big name players. Kane had a terrible tournament. He was dreadful in every game and yet still played 70 minutes in the most important game England have had for ages. Similar with Foden & Bellingham. Southgate blew it and deserves to go.

Just glad Cole Palmer is one of the few players to come out of this tournament with plenty of credit. The lad did good, but could have shown so much more, given the chance.

 

 

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

You can pick Nico, yamal. 

For midfielder to win poty, there should be no standout attacker 

 

 

He was not the player of the tournament but it doesn't matter it's part of the campagin for him to win Ballon D'or.

@Niall1905

We will never know or not for some time whether the stick he got forced him to bring on the likes of Palmer and Watkins, without the stick would they been played so early in the tournament?

There is also no doubt Kane's pressing picked up after the media focus.

The introduction of Mainoo helped up until Spain and that was down to Southgate.

If you remember our Semi-Final run under Robson the team got pillaried then he changed to a back 3 with WBs and kicked on out of the group and onto the semis.. The stick comes with the territory. 

 

OMG, i just had to turn off Talksport, the pair of clowns on there - Hugh Woozencroft and Lianne Sanderson, Hugh is calling for Southgate to get a knighthood, and Lianne calling for Klopp or Pep to get the England job.

 

20 minutes ago, POCH OUT said:

OMG, i just had to turn off Talksport, the pair of clowns on there - Hugh Woozencroft and Lianne Sanderson, Hugh is calling for Southgate to get a knighthood, and Lianne calling for Klopp or Pep to get the England job.

 

You actually turned it on?