1 minute ago, Term_X said:

Defeats to Everton & Sheffield United + a Cup exit and I can see the trigger being pulled, this might be a project but it’s not a project manager. It’s not like we’ve got Will Still or Xabi Alonso here learning with the players, like an Arteta situation. There should be a certain expectation for the here and now, and if that isn’t the case.. you want basic discipline being coached into the players, proper game management, ideas and system in full swing despite results. It’s actually genuine insanity how those pre-season games somehow translated into this. ‘Chaos-ball’ in the good and the bad.

Sacking him could have some long term consequences. Unless there is a genuine, genuine upgrade on him he should stick around. 

It is funny though when people gave Potter the no pre-season excuse. 

Does anyone even bother with his after-game interviews? It actually makes me miss "It was a Spirited Performance by the Boys" from last season!

Who do people think we would get in to do a better job? At the end of the day there has to be patience with the coach. You can't expect any consistency if there's no consistency with coaches. He's been here less than 5 months and has hardly been handed a ready made team. The circumstances for the past year has been tough. 

 

2 minutes ago, Zeta said:

What's the point of changing manager, when the players are so useless? Guardiola couldn't get this team top 4.

He would get top 8 because he wouldn't just give in and let Enzo play exactly how he himself wants and he wouldn't just put in there Caicedo playing some default reactionary football.

We have a 999m squad value. But they need to be coached.

Disappointing performance but what do the club expect? They bought too much potential and kids. It’s an under 23s team vs men’s teams. 
 

Poch has done a good job so far and he’s on the right track but he has been hampered by injures. Look at our bench tonight - absolutely terrible. 

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

What's the point of changing manager, when the players are so useless? Guardiola couldn't get this team top 4.

He absolutely could, as could Emery, Ange, De Zerbi, Klopp and Arteta

 

We have no European football to deal with, we should at least be capable of top 6

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Drogba1

4 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Who exactly? 

Nobody is going to turn a bunch of kids into worldbeaters overnight. 

That may be Victor.

But as with Potter there would be far more patience if there were signs of a team & players developing.
Pochettino's had a pre-season, a big transfer window, and six months to work and there are zero signs of progress. Unorganized, players look clueless, defence & midfield is getting increasingly worse.

We should worry about that and Pochettino should worry about it if he intends to keep his job.

We've got no choice but to hope it comes together the way it did for him at Spurs at this point.

I don't particularly agree with the route we've gone down but we've made our bed and got to lie in it.

1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

That may be Victor.

But as with Potter there would be far more patience if there were signs of a team & players developing.
Pochettino's had a pre-season, a big transfer window, and six months to work and there are zero signs of progress. Unorganized, players look clueless, defence & midfield is getting increasingly worse.

We should worry about that and Pochettino should worry about it if he intends to keep his job.

To trust a process there needs to be a process to trust

 

I don't see one at the moment, we don't look like we're playing an organised tactical system.

It’s worrying me that our injuries still don’t seem to be clearing up. Out of our bench we had James, Broja and Maatsen to bring on. Absurd. 

Just now, Argo said:

We've got no choice but to hope it comes together the way it did for him at Spurs at this point.

I don't particularly agree with the route we've gone down but we've made our bed and got to lie in it.

He should get the full season at least, anything less than top 6 and he should be gone though

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

That may be Victor.

But as with Potter there would be far more patience if there were signs of a team & players developing.
Pochettino's had a pre-season, a big transfer window, and six months to work and there are zero signs of progress. Unorganized, players look clueless, defence & midfield is getting increasingly worse.

We should worry about that and Pochettino should worry about it if he intends to keep his job.

This 

Just now, OriginalS said:

That may be Victor.

But as with Potter there would be far more patience if there were signs of a team & players developing.
Pochettino's had a pre-season, a big transfer window, and six months to work and there are zero signs of progress. Unorganized, players look clueless, defence & midfield is getting increasingly worse.

We should worry about that and Pochettino should worry about it if he intends to keep his job.

It's also been 5 months Sindre, goodness me we gave AVB more time than that. 

Newcastle and United games aside I think we have put in many good performances. I'm definitely not happy with the results or our defensive transitioning. I just think sacking Pochettino right now will have far worse consequences than people can imagine. If you ask me I don't think we should ever have sacked TT in the first place, but f**k it, we're here now, we need to muster through and give him time. Nothing is going to be salvaged this season anyway, what's the point in chopping and changing again. We'll be right back where we were next season, I would rather see the season out and give the manager time for once. 

1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

That may be Victor.

But as with Potter there would be far more patience if there were signs of a team & players developing.
Pochettino's had a pre-season, a big transfer window, and six months to work and there are zero signs of progress. Unorganized, players look clueless, defence & midfield is getting increasingly worse.

We should worry about that and Pochettino should worry about it if he intends to keep his job.

Thing is with Potter, we stuck by him through that winter rut only to finally pull the trigger when there was signs of it finally coming together (3 wins in 5 and the one loss being in a game we created a sh*t load of chances, not to mention the Liverpool game likely on his notes).

I wouldn't have gone down this route myself but now we've committed to it we've got to by hook or by crook hope it comes together.

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

Who do people think we would get in to do a better job? At the end of the day there has to be patience with the coach. You can't expect any consistency if there's no consistency with coaches. He's been here less than 5 months and has hardly been handed a ready made team. The circumstances for the past year has been tough. 

 

It’s not going to happen but if Tuchel became available again I’d fire pochettino immediately. His premier league record wasn’t the best but it’s certainly better than the sh*t we are seeing now.

I think Mudryk could be pretty effective playing as a wing back.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

He should get the full season at least, anything less than top 6 and he should be gone though

Just give him the rest of his contract. Ain't no way we are finishing Top 6. 

 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

He should get the full season at least, anything less than top 6 and he should be gone though

Don't think that's fair.

I said at the start of the season if Poch finished 7th with this squad you'd have to consider him in contention for manager of the season,  not that he'd get it because of what the owners wasted on it.

A manager can only get the best out of his players,  you can't look at this squad and think it's a reasonable expectation for any manager to challenge for a European place.

 

Just now, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Don't think that's fair.

I said at the start of the season if Poch finished 7th with this squad you'd have to consider him in contention for manager of the season,  not that he'd get it because of what the owners wasted on it.

A manager can only get the best out of his players,  you can't look at this squad and think it's a reasonable expectation for any manager to challenge for a European place.

 

We should be finishing top 8 with the squad that we have. Most managers don't allow themselves to dream about having this squad.

lol wow fans actually want the manager sacked now or the end of the season wow. There is a reason arsenal are top because sensibly they didn’t listen to the fans who “thought” they knew better and they probably win the league this season.

We are in our banter club period they all go through it just deal with it.

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

We should be finishing top 8 with the squad that we have. Most managers don't allow themselves to dream about having this squad.

Most managers in the league would resign before the season started if you told them you wanted a European place with Broja, Madueke, Mudryk, Jackson and Palmer up front.

Granted Palmer is doing very well but there's about 25 career goals between them you're asking the manager to create goals from players that have never at any point shown a goal scoring touch.

It's an impossible job, we're playing In the PL not the U19 world cup.  

Youth football is separate for a reason there's a huge gulf  between hyped kid and consistent PL performer.

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

21 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll be here all night if I go into the players threads to describe how bad they were, but this is the first time I'm questioning Pochettino. There is no way we should still be this disjointed in December, injuries or no injuries this is nowhere near good enough.

I watched Eddie Howe go into Newcastle and turn what isn't exactly super star names into a really well coached team. Well organised, full of pace, exciting football, aggressive, the players give their all. Pochettino has done none of that with us, he's not actually changed anything at all. 

We should be questioning why he doesn't seem to have his own identity. I am seeing nothing that stands out from the worst parts of Sarri, Tuchel, Lampard or Potter's Chelsea teams. It's just the same sh*te with worse players.

Poch is to blame for the team's performances but a factor of it is definitely on quality of personnel. Could we be doing better than what we are seeing? Definitely. Are we really as good as we initially thought? Probably not. 

What's evident is that the serpents neck needs to be cut off, IE Clearlake ending this absurd fascination of inflating the squad with inexperience. 

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

Poch has had to play with Jackson as the main striker. We’re in December. No Nkunku, Chilwell, Lavia, James, Fofana..

Give the guy a break. 

Just now, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Most managers in the league would resign before the season started if you told them you wanted a European place with Broja, Madueke, Mudryk, Jackson and Palmer up front.

Granted Palmer is doing very well but there's about 25 career goals between them

We were finishing top 4 with Michy, Tammy, Barkley, Willian and Pedro all not in their best years either too young or too old... We had a system at least. What do we have now part from some overpaid stars that don't worry about a single thing every week?

It's a 999m squad value, top 8 is doable if things are done properly.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Poch is to blame for the team's performances but a factor of it is definitely on quality of personnel. Could we be doing better than what we are seeing? Definitely. Are we really as good as we initially thought? Probably not. 

What's evident is that the serpents neck needs to be cut off, IE Clearlake ending this absurd fascination of inflating the squad with inexperience. 

Agreed. There’s just too much of the same thing - youth.