I used to go to Chelsea a lot when I was younger. Went to Villa at home this season for the 1st time in years (Mathew Harding Upper) and the fans were absolutely awful. Basically just hurling abuse at our own players (mostly Sterling & Sanchez) for the entire game - it was completely toxic and genuinely surprising.

I'm sure a lot of these are going week in week out, so fair play for that. But it was the worst I'd ever seen it. 

On 04/12/2023 at 15:58, evissy said:

That is fixed by scoring. We score and we don't have to run around like rabid dogs all game long and make potentially dangerous tackles trying to win the ball back asap. When we win constantly we don't have to fear of losing and trying a little bit too hard that usually leads to rash challenges and red cards.

I don't think it's all down to scoring. There are teams below us who have scored less and conceded less but still don't have as many yellows as us.

58 minutes ago, Girish said:

I don't think it's all down to scoring. There are teams below us who have scored less and conceded less but still don't have as many yellows as us.

Pochettino's football is high energy high press football. Not all teams play the same way. When you score early and from the spots we create among the best in the league the pressure of pressing drops significantly. When we have to press like hell all 90 mins after losing 2 games in a row with Chelsea emblem on your chest there is all kinds of extra pressure and this is why our young captains have been sent off in both of our last two games. 

Just read Nkunku and Lavia not ready for tomorrow ffs when are they gonna be ready ? Also more injuries announced wtf is going on with us ?

More on Tuchel not giving youth a chance. 
 

 

33 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

More on Tuchel not giving youth a chance. 
 

 

 

Despite winning the big eared cup, the club went backwards under his tenure and we're still dealing with the fallout from his disastrous spending. Can only win league titles in one horse leagues. 

56 minutes ago, hawkster said:

Just read Nkunku and Lavia not ready for tomorrow ffs when are they gonna be ready ? Also more injuries announced wtf is going on with us ?

I have a feeling we won't see them start until January.

25 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

 

Despite winning the big eared cup, the club went backwards under his tenure and we're still dealing with the fallout from his disastrous spending. Can only win league titles in one horse leagues. 

Genuinly could of lost Colwill on top of Livramento due to his influence. 

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Genuinly could of lost Colwill on top of Livramento due to his influence. 

Sure.
But apart from the sensationalist tweet the article itself says that contract talks never got off to a good start because he didn't see a pathway to the first team when Lampard was manager.

When we did sell him with 10 months left on his contract we included a very decent buy-back clause so for the cost of a Madueke or Jackson we had every chance to bring him back here this summer. Don't ask me why we didn't but clearly the directors had their own ideas about that.

 

41 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Sure.
But apart from the sensationalist tweet the article itself says that contract talks never got off to a good start because he didn't see a pathway to the first team when Lampard was manager.

When we did sell him with 10 months left on his contract we included a very decent buy-back clause so for the cost of a Madueke or Jackson we had every chance to bring him back here this summer. Don't ask me why we didn't but clearly the directors had their own ideas about that.

 

Well that doesn't fit the narrative LOL. 

What's the point of leaking these past deals ( or no deals), so we all feel better about the current status of the club? Would Livramento be a starter for this Chelsea team? Unlikely, he'd be on loan somewhere.

10 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

What's the point of leaking these past deals ( or no deals), so we all feel better about the current status of the club? Would Livramento be a starter for this Chelsea team? Unlikely, he'd be on loan somewhere.

Exactly.

It's basically just more of the usual sh*te clickbait from The Athletic. Sconnie really ought to know better than to re-post it on here by now LOL 🙂 

12 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

What's the point of leaking these past deals ( or no deals), so we all feel better about the current status of the club? Would Livramento be a starter for this Chelsea team? Unlikely, he'd be on loan somewhere.

He'd be fking injured knowing this lot here

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Exactly.

It's basically just more of the usual sh*te clickbait from The Athletic. Sconnie really ought to know better than to re-post it on here by now LOL 🙂 

Well, sh*t on Tuchel and you've earned yourself at least one free like from that grumpy dkw lad so thats something! 😂

Edited December 5, 20232 yr by OriginalS

According to the Telegraph, his sell-on fee when he joined Newcastle was £13-15m depending on add-ons, so overall we got close to £20m for him. We stand to make £30m when Hall is sold, so the sale of those two academy products will have brought in £50m.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have preferred them to stay. Both are very talented youngsters, but we didn't exactly get nothing for them. The club needs income like that to be a viable business -  and to offset the vast sums thrown at recruiting other clubs' academy products.

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

What's the point of leaking these past deals ( or no deals), so we all feel better about the current status of the club? Would Livramento be a starter for this Chelsea team? Unlikely, he'd be on loan somewhere.

The point was our mishandling of home grown quality and instead overspending on bang average players, IE Cucurella and Koulibaly. It's a very reason we will likely be in another FFP mess this summer. 

 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Exactly.

It's basically just more of the usual sh*te clickbait from The Athletic. Sconnie really ought to know better than to re-post it on here by now LOL 🙂 

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Sure.
But apart from the sensationalist tweet the article itself says that contract talks never got off to a good start because he didn't see a pathway to the first team when Lampard was manager.

When we did sell him with 10 months left on his contract we included a very decent buy-back clause so for the cost of a Madueke or Jackson we had every chance to bring him back here this summer. Don't ask me why we didn't but clearly the directors had their own ideas about that.

 

Did you read the article? The article stated it was during the negotiations summer of 2021 where he didn't see a pathway. Club valued James highly and Azpilicueta as back up, on top of Tuchel doing everything to try and get Hakimi from Inter Milan. 

Literally a year later Tuchel was doing the same thing with Colwill in wanting both Kounde and Koulibaly. 

https://theathletic.com/5110614/2023/12/05/livramento-chelsea-newcastle-southampton/

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The point was our mishandling of home grown quality and instead overspending on bang average players, IE Cucurella and Koulibaly. It's a very reason we will likely be in another FFP mess this summer. 

 

Did you read the article? The article stated it was during the negotiations summer of 2021 where he didn't see a pathway. Club valued James highly and Azpilicueta as back up, on top of Tuchel doing everything to try and get Hakimi from Inter Milan. 

Literally a year later Tuchel was doing the same thing with Colwill in wanting both Kounde and Koulibaly. 

https://theathletic.com/5110614/2023/12/05/livramento-chelsea-newcastle-southampton/

Losing young players would be acceptable if we replaced them with class.

In most cases we waste the money on poor players.

Like right now instead of buying Gusto Tino child have had ample game time with James being injured most of the time.

Gusto is not a poor player. 

7 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Gusto is not a poor player. 

Did not say he was, said in most cases we wasted money on poor players. 

We would not have needed to buy a Gusto, a good player, had Tino, another good player, gotten  minutes with us. Which given James injury record, he would have gotten had he stayed 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Did not say he was, said in most cases we wasted money on poor players. 

We would not have needed to buy a Gusto, a good player, had Tino, another good player, gotten  minutes with us. Which given James injury record, he would have gotten had he stayed 

Don't forget Livramento missed almost an entire season at Southampton with an ACL injury. 

11 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

 

Despite winning the big eared cup, the club went backwards under his tenure and we're still dealing with the fallout from his disastrous spending. Can only win league titles in one horse leagues. 

A lot of people fans now laugh at TT because of Cucu and Kouli.

TT wanted a lb who can play lb, lcb and to backup Chilwell who can pass.

With kouli, he wanted an experience cb who can play lcb who can pass and eventually replace silva as ccb. All of his signing made sense including Lukaku. He wanted a st who can play back to goal. 

All of them are just very specific. 

This is why Tuchel tend to have problem with dof/board/transfer guy in almost every club he has ever managed. 

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

A lot of people fans now laugh at TT because of Cucu and Kouli.

TT wanted a lb who can play lb, lcb and to backup Chilwell who can pass.

With kouli, he wanted an experience cb who can play lcb who can pass and eventually replace silva as ccb. All of his signing made sense including Lukaku. He wanted a st who can play back to goal. 

All of them are just very specific. 

This is why Tuchel tend to have problem with dof/board/transfer guy in almost every club he has ever managed. 

Lukaku made sense in theory only because we needed more goals from the front line and he was the new target man since Giroud was let go.

But in practice, Tuchel effectively threw out the false 9 tactic that won him the CL while still having the same tactic with wing-backs contributing to our attack the most by taking advantage of the same gaps from the season before. Although injuries prevented Tuchel from having a go at a possible title challenge, it was evident that having Lukaku didn't benefit him much at all, in fact his life as our manager became much more complicated after that signing, and it cost a lot.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Lukaku made sense in theory only because we needed more goals from the front line and he was the new target man since Giroud was let go.

But in practice, Tuchel effectively threw out the false 9 tactic that won him the CL while still having the same tactic with wing-backs contributing to our attack the most by taking advantage of the same gaps from the season before. Although injuries prevented Tuchel from having a go at a possible title challenge, it was evident that having Lukaku didn't benefit him much at all, in fact his life as our manager became much more complicated after that signing, and it cost a lot.

Not really. Tuchel is not stupid he knew that middle purple spell was not sustainable. You can't rely on your wb to score and be consistent. 

I have no idea what happened with TT n Lukaku personally but there was clearly a breakdown in relationship. 

 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The point was our mishandling of home grown quality and instead overspending on bang average players, IE Cucurella and Koulibaly. It's a very reason we will likely be in another FFP mess this summer. 

 

Did you read the article? The article stated it was during the negotiations summer of 2021 where he didn't see a pathway. Club valued James highly and Azpilicueta as back up, on top of Tuchel doing everything to try and get Hakimi from Inter Milan. 

Literally a year later Tuchel was doing the same thing with Colwill in wanting both Kounde and Koulibaly. 

https://theathletic.com/5110614/2023/12/05/livramento-chelsea-newcastle-southampton/

Like others have pointed out, it's hardly mishandling. Of course in hindsight we could have got more, but we were compensated, and he was out a long term for injury, imagine that's happening under our watch🙄 In 12 or 18 months time, good luck making a profit offloading those expensive 'wonder kids' we signed in the past 12 months. There are more mishandling to come. Not sure what KK and Cucurella has to do with this, they aren't RBs. Let's say both are Tuchel's signings, then the boss sack Tuchel 2 weeks later, so whose problem is it then?

My point is  Boehly ( and his people) are happily leak things to media to put dirt on those before him, meanwhile he sacked respected long term Chelsea personnel for questioning the transfer deals. What's the word for people like that again?

39 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Not really. Tuchel is not stupid he knew that middle purple spell was not sustainable. You can't rely on your wb to score and be consistent. 

I have no idea what happened with TT n Lukaku personally but there was clearly a breakdown in relationship. 

 

It was kinda stupid to stop playing Havertz as the false 9 and put Lukaku there instead, while having the same tactic otherwise.