5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently either Pochettino did intend to cancel the day off today and was told by someone above him he could not do it, or he decided to go back on what he said by his own choice.

 

Either paints him as a paper yes man with little authority, or a manager with no backbone or discipline himself.

Either way very Potter esc vibes again and not good...

Nah after match, the next day training session will be just some recovery session for player who played. 

 

23 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Should have just let Potter carry on rather than pay him off and hiring his Argentine equivalent 

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I usually in favor of giving manager time but Potter era was a total mess

Edited November 27, 20232 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

😱😱😱

I usually in favor of giving manager time but Potter era was a total mess

Things really improved under Lamps... Potter would have not done any worse.

Stop believing everything some no mark f**kwit on social media tells you is true, for the love of god.

A lots of negatives towards Poch, apart from the final score, who'd be really surprised if we lost on Saturday? We haven't got a functional team despite a couple of squad rebuild, there will be a few more loses like this before the transfer window re-opens. Of course Poch could have done better in hindsight, but he has done more than Potter and Lampard done last season, beat a top 4 challenging team.

I am almost certain that the owners have their feelers out for managerial options already.

Pochettino's PPG is worse than Potter and 35% of the season is gone. But more than anything Poch should be worried about getting nothing out of Caicedo, Enzo, Madueke, Mudryk, Lesley and others. Nearly £400 million we've spent on those 5 I mentioned and they are all rapidly losing their value which will be a major deal for our owners.

Someone like De Zerbi got something out of Mudryk at Shaktar, he got a lot out of Caicedo at Brighton, Enzo would fit his style, he's good with youth and he's got a clause in his Brighton contract. Not saying I want De Zerbi and I don't want Poch sacked yet either but something to keep an eye on for me...

The international break killed our momentum. 

those calling for Poch to be sacked or thinking about replacing him, take a few days off... 

Awful performance and result against a team we travel badly too and have done for years, still not as bad for me as Southamptons with Potter last season. In the short time Poch has been here, we've had some stinkers and we've had some decent results too. mixed bag and he needs time. 

De Zerbi would be a disaster signing for CFC... who else could we get? 

I'd be happier with Poch if he let the talent in the team show through. Think the squad has heaps to offer, maybe missing a couple of pieces but there's enough to be pushing at the top quarter of the table.

I keep saying this and won’t stop reset your expectations this team is not a top 6 “TEAMS” , I emphasise TEAM because they are not a team yet on paper we are one of the best squads but we are not a TEAM that takes time we will continue to have these ups and downs until they are fully gel.

Takes a few days off leave football alone it will help you mentally just SWITCH OFF!!

I’m still fully behind Poch and I don’t believe he’s close to being sacked.

Sure there’s things he should tweak to make us better but being stripped of experienced players and tasked with turning a very young team into top 4 contenders wasn’t realistic IMO.

And the same old problem of not having a top striker is still there.

And so many moments this season that could have changed games isn’t on him either, I.E. Gallagher’s chance on Saturday to make it 2-1 to us, Enzo missing a penalty at West Ham to put us in the lead at half time. For me those moments are more to do with lack of composure from the players.

Getting Nkunko back and getting in a real striker in January and we’d be back on the right track.

Keep the faith.

13 minutes ago, 2211 said:

I’m still fully behind Poch and I don’t believe he’s close to being sacked.

 

Ditto.

Anyone wanting Poch sacked or thinking he might get sacked, seriously needs to give their head a wobble. Look at Newcastle and Villa under Howe and Emery. Both have suffered bad results this season but where they have been backed and given time are now getting a lot of plaudits and have put two decent sides together. Poch is doing okay and given time and a PROPER STRIKER, we will be back up there.

 

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

De Zerbi would be a disaster signing for CFC... who else could we get? 

Can't agree with this. The current squad is tailor made for someone like De Zerbi. 

The midfield pivot of Enzo and Caicedo is perfect, both hard workers AND possession players, Palmer at "10" would simply be great under De Zerbi and the wingers (Nkunku, Sterling, Mudryk and Madueke) are perfect for his style of play. 

James and Chilwell are two of the best full backs in the league and Colwill has already worked with De Zerbi. 

I mean it won't happen, he will probably go to Liverpool or City, it all depends on who is going to leave first, Pep or Klopp, but this current Chelsea squad is simply perfect for him. 

 

3 games into our tough run of fixtures and we've lost once. The reaction's I've been reading are a bit over the top.

Cucurella is a liability and Silva needs to be eased out eventually. Two statements many would've agreed with at the start of pre-season, but injuries and a lack of experience elsewhere in the side mean both are starting at the moment, and unfortunately on Saturday they both had stinkers. I don't think there's much more to dig into than that. I don't blame Poch for several years of pretty slapdash squad building.

In terms of how he reacted to the loss, I was pleased to hear him admit we weren't good enough or hungry enough, a breath of fresh air compared to last season's "the boys gave everything" response to each embarrassing defeat.

Looking ahead to next weekend, I would like Colwill to get back in at Left Back over Cucurella, I expect Silva will start again in Center Back alongside one of Badiashile/Disasi.


 

4 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

Can't agree with this. The current squad is tailor made for someone like De Zerbi.

I don't think I could ever bring myself to trust in the decision making of a grown man who still spikes his hair up like he's going to a school disco.

30 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Ditto.

Anyone wanting Poch sacked or thinking he might get sacked, seriously needs to give their head a wobble. Look at Newcastle and Villa under Howe and Emery. Both have suffered bad results this season but where they have been backed and given time are now getting a lot of plaudits and have put two decent sides together. Poch is doing okay and given time and a PROPER STRIKER, we will be back up there.

 

I follow the sentiment but Emery and Howe are very much the wrong examples. If anything Emery is an example of a managerial change mid-season having a massive impact on the present and the future for a club. He improved them from Day 1 and have continued to do so since.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

I follow the sentiment but Emery and Howe are very much the wrong examples. If anything Emery is an example of a managerial change mid-season having a massive impact on the present and the future for a club. He improved them from Day 1 and have continued to do so since.

Yes, Emery has been great at Villa, but what I was getting at is that no-one is calling for his head after a few set-backs. They got battered 5-1 by Newcastle and have also lost games they shouldn't have to both Forest & Everton. I guess the pressure and expectancy levels are a lot less at Villa than they are with us - not helped by a lot of our knee-jerk fanbase.

2 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Yes, Emery has been great at Villa, but what I was getting at is that no-one is calling for his head after a few set-backs. They got battered 5-1 by Newcastle and have also lost games they shouldn't have to both Forest & Everton. I guess the pressure and expectancy levels are a lot less at Villa than they are with us - not helped by a lot of our knee-jerk fanbase.

Yep, agree with that.

But knee-jerk supporters are one thing but the more worrying thing is that we have knee-jerk owners as well.

7 minutes ago, Nibs said:

 I guess the pressure and expectancy levels are a lot less at Villa than they are with us - not helped by a lot of our knee-jerk fanbase.

This. They have a decent squad but its evident they are relying heavily on Emery's experience and no expectations. 

 

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

Can't agree with this. The current squad is tailor made for someone like De Zerbi. 

The midfield pivot of Enzo and Caicedo is perfect, both hard workers AND possession players, Palmer at "10" would simply be great under De Zerbi and the wingers (Nkunku, Sterling, Mudryk and Madueke) are perfect for his style of play. 

James and Chilwell are two of the best full backs in the league and Colwill has already worked with De Zerbi. 

I mean it won't happen, he will probably go to Liverpool or City, it all depends on who is going to leave first, Pep or Klopp, but this current Chelsea squad is simply perfect for him. 

 

Well, I fully expect you to be screaming for Poch to be sacked within the next few weeks. You're probably one of those who thought singing Fu*k Sarri ball on way to a top four finish and the Europa league was cool... knock yourself out, im done with the manager merrigoround and fans simply not taking on board that we are no longer Roman's hire and fire club and our new owners are trying to do things differently.

Dont rate De Zerbi in the same way I struggle to see what Enzo brings to our midfield. Think Brighton will struggle the rest of the season and we finish above them. when they lose they loose big, concede goals and have struggled for form recently.

If you had both managers available again at the start of the season, 90 percent would pick Poch. We got the right man for the job, give him a minimum of a season to get his ideas across. Jeezers... 

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

Can't agree with this. The current squad is tailor made for someone like De Zerbi. 

The midfield pivot of Enzo and Caicedo is perfect, both hard workers AND possession players, Palmer at "10" would simply be great under De Zerbi and the wingers (Nkunku, Sterling, Mudryk and Madueke) are perfect for his style of play. 

James and Chilwell are two of the best full backs in the league and Colwill has already worked with De Zerbi. 

I mean it won't happen, he will probably go to Liverpool or City, it all depends on who is going to leave first, Pep or Klopp, but this current Chelsea squad is simply perfect for him. 

 

De Zerbi is only likely to leave Brighton for a handful of clubs in England. At present it doesn't look likely that any of the top 5/6 will be looking to replace their managers any time before the end of the season, although that could change. Ten Hag looked in trouble a month ago and I could have see De Zerbi going to United. But at present their form has recovered so a replacement there is unlikely. If Clearlake are unhappy with Poch as we get towards the later part of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if they start testing the water around possible replacements, and De Zerbi may well be in their sightlines then. But I would be surprised if they were to get rid of Poch before the end of this season at least, unless of course the team goes on a really bad run. Worth remembering that he only has a 2 year deal as it stands.

Pochettino had Kane, Son, Alli, Eriksen, Wanyama, Verthongen, Trippier, Dembele etc at Spurs. At Chelsea he's dealing with a set of younger players with potential and zero players who can score 15-20 goals a season. 

7 minutes ago, enigma said:

Pochettino had Kane, Son, Alli, Eriksen, Wanyama, Verthongen, Trippier, Dembele etc at Spurs. At Chelsea he's dealing with a set of younger players with potential and zero players who can score 15-20 goals a season. 

Didnt have that at Southampton and didnt do so badly putting a side together. 

7 minutes ago, enigma said:

Pochettino had Kane, Son, Alli, Eriksen, Wanyama, Verthongen, Trippier, Dembele etc at Spurs. At Chelsea he's dealing with a set of younger players with potential and zero players who can score 15-20 goals a season. 

To his credit he also developed those same players to the levels they've now ascended to. 

Give him the 2 years and let's see where we are at. 

 

4 hours ago, OriginalS said:

I am almost certain that the owners have their feelers out for managerial options already.

Pochettino's PPG is worse than Potter and 35% of the season is gone. But more than anything Poch should be worried about getting nothing out of Caicedo, Enzo, Madueke, Mudryk, Lesley and others. Nearly £400 million we've spent on those 5 I mentioned and they are all rapidly losing their value which will be a major deal for our owners.

Someone like De Zerbi got something out of Mudryk at Shaktar, he got a lot out of Caicedo at Brighton, Enzo would fit his style, he's good with youth and he's got a clause in his Brighton contract. Not saying I want De Zerbi and I don't want Poch sacked yet either but something to keep an eye on for me...

If we're stupid enough to put Enzo on the market we'll get most if not all of our money back.

7 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Didnt have that at Southampton and didnt do so badly putting a side together. 

I mean that is Southampton mate. If we are comparing with like for like or thereabouts clubs, Tottenham are the only comparison to us.