2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

lol wow fans actually want the manager sacked now or the end of the season wow. There is a reason arsenal are top because sensibly they didn’t listen to the fans who “thought” they knew better and they probably win the league this season.

We are in our banter club period they all go through it just deal with it.

Yeah I tend to agree with this but to be fair arteta at least showed something in winning the fa cup, Pochetino can’t have any complaints if he’s sacked with the team in 10th place at the end of the season. 
 

I suspect Emery getting the chop before arteta made them think there was no quick fixes so maybe potter will have a similar effect for Poch. 

What is the one, the one think you really do not want to say after tonights shambolic performance?

Enter Pochettino:

 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

We were finishing top 4 with Michy, Tammy, Barkley, Willian and Pedro all not in their best years either too young or too old... We had a system at least. What do we have now part from some overpaid stars that don't worry about a single thing every week?

It's a 999m squad value, top 8 is doable if things are done properly.

Not one of the crap young attacking players we've signed are remotely close to Pedro or Willian and the worst part is they've never shown the potential to ever be that level 

You could spent £999m on Margate Donkeys, doesn't mean they'll score you goals.

Us overpaying for really poor "talents" doesn't help Poch or the club win games unfortunately. 

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

Just now, JM7 said:

Poch has had to play with Jackson as the main striker. We’re in December. No Nkunku, Chilwell, Lavia, James, Fofana..

Give the guy a break. 

I would give him a break but just check out the teams above us. Brighton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Spurs, Newcastle, United - not exactly stuffed full of world beating talent. 
 

1 minute ago, OriginalS said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, MyWord said:

I would give him a break but just check out the teams above us. Brighton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Spurs, Newcastle, United - not exactly stuffed full of world beating talent. 
 

All the team above haven’t had an upheaval we have had why is that so hard to understand we are essentially a completely new club and with new staff new players new owners how is that not being understood.

1 minute ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Not one of the crap young attacking players we've signed are remotely close to Pedro or Willian and the worst part is they've never shown the potential to ever be that level 

You could spent £999m on Margate Donkeys, doesn't mean they'll score you goals.

Us overpaying for really poor "talents" doesn't help Poch or the club win games unfortunately. 

If we ever get a manager that will make a team out of those young players you will see that it can be done.

If you think that our squad isn't good enough for a top 8 finish then this performance is the max you'll ever get but we all know that we should be doing better than this.

f**king hell he's morphing into Pottertino

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by timetowaste

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

lol wow fans actually want the manager sacked now or the end of the season wow. There is a reason arsenal are top because sensibly they didn’t listen to the fans who “thought” they knew better and they probably win the league this season.

We are in our banter club period they all go through it just deal with it.

The only reason why clubs go through this phase is through gross mismanagement. It's not something that happens because it's some sort of cycle.

Comparing our situation to Arsenal's just shows that there are still a lot of Chelsea fans that haven't come to terms with the position we are in. We aren't suddenly going to start competing with the top 4 in a season or two, the most likely scenario is that we keep sliding further down the table and are forced to sell our players because we can't manage FFP. These players haven't played for a Chelsea team that has been higher than 10th.

Just now, timetowaste said:

f**king hell he's morphing into Pottertino

Maybe just maybe Potter wasn't the main problem.

The squad is clearly full of untalented deadwood,  the manager can't blame the effort if the players are trying but just aren't good enough and he can't blame the owners for signing all these crap players.

What is the manager supposed to say when his attacking players can't control the ball and consistently miss basic chances or his 2 big defensive midfield signings are both weak midgets that get overrun? Exposing his 39 year old CB who's playing because none of the CB signings are better than him?

10 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

What is the one, the one think you really do not want to say after tonights shambolic performance?

Enter Pochettino:

 

Christ. It makes you wonder about the squad doesn’t it? Didn’t Potter have a degree in psychology?

The fact he and Pochettino felt the need to say that about the players says a lot about how fragile they are.

Just a wildly inconsistent team at the moment that can produce brilliance in certain moments, and look shambolic in other times.

Pochettino and the team need to raise their game, but these problems we're experiencing pre-date the current coach.

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The only reason why clubs go through this phase is through gross mismanagement. It's not something that happens because it's some sort of cycle.

Comparing our situation to Arsenal's just shows that there are still a lot of Chelsea fans that haven't come to terms with the position we are in. We aren't suddenly going to start competing with the top 4 in a season or two, the most likely scenario is that we keep sliding further down the table and are forced to sell our players because we can't manage FFP. These players haven't played for a Chelsea team that has been higher than 10th.

I have come to terms which is why I don’t get upset or angry but I also know sacking the manager will not fix this because within six months when everything is failing once again fans will want the manger change and round and round we go over and over again without no clear path to success.

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by El regreso

ACCEPT BANTER ERA

Bang average manager with a bang average squad, who would have thought it would go wrong.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

ACCEPT BANTER ERA

This will be a few years but Ted Lasso and crew going to learn the hard way

If there is one game this season where they absolutely did not "give everything", it was today. No effort.

9 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

f**king hell he's morphing into Pottertino

f**k off did they give everything. It's Potter all over again.

If that is giving everything, then we really are screwed. How can any Chelsea fan be optimistic when every manager we have keeps coming out with complete bullsh*t like this? 

 

What's eerie is the identical nature of Potter and Pochettino W-D-L record after 18 games (in all competitions).

• Potter = 8 wins, 4 draws, 6 losses
• Pochettino = 8 wins, 4 draws, 6 losses

Their PL records after 15 games are similar as well:

• Potter = 4 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses (18 points)
• Pochettino = 5 wins, 4 draws, 6 losses (19 points)

The improvement if any based on these records has been minimal. Pochettino has the opportunity to steer the ship in the right direction before it's too late.

41 minutes ago, Zeta said:

What's the point of changing manager, when the players are so useless? Guardiola couldn't get this team top 4.

Or that Todd and co will just pick a bad replacement.

I just hope there is a Chelsea left when their remaining 8 and a half years are up.

24 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

What is the one, the one think you really do not want to say after tonights shambolic performance?

Enter Pochettino:

 

See Pottertino! Lmao

8 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Maybe just maybe Potter wasn't the main problem.

The squad is clearly full of untalented deadwood,  the manager can't blame the effort if the players are trying but just aren't good enough and he can't blame the owners for signing all these crap players.

What is the manager supposed to say when his attacking players can't control the ball and consistently miss basic chances or his 2 big defensive midfield signings are both weak midgets that get overrun? Exposing his 39 year old CB who's playing because none of the CB signings are better than him?

I can't agree, I think most of the players are good, have a lot of talent and they have a high ceiling, but we won't agree with that so we'll put that to the side. Even if there were poor players in the team, are the players worse than players in teams like Wolves, Brighton, Brentford and Newcastle? Absolutely not, man for man the individuals we have are mostly head and shoulders above when they have but they all play like a team, we look like it's still September 1st and these players have only just signed. We have no identity, awful in game management and a team who play like strangers.

To be honest the more I talk about it the more I'm blaming Pochettino. There is absolutely no way you give Pep or Klopp this team and he doesn't have them in the top 4.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

f**k off did they give everything. It's Potter all over again.

If that is giving everything, then we really are screwed. How can any Chelsea fan be optimistic when every manager we have keeps coming out with complete bullsh*t like this? 

 

And they were tired after Sunday and had one day less than United to prepare.

 

Much like Spurs and Newcastle, from the word GO this team wasn’t prepared. 

42 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Don't think that's fair.

I said at the start of the season if Poch finished 7th with this squad you'd have to consider him in contention for manager of the season,  not that he'd get it because of what the owners wasted on it.

A manager can only get the best out of his players,  you can't look at this squad and think it's a reasonable expectation for any manager to challenge for a European place.

 

How many Brighton players would start for us? Only Mitoma, Ferguson and Estupinan, and Estupinan has been injured most of the season.

 

Why can Brighton challenge for Europe, whilst playing Europa League games mid week, yet we can't?

Edited December 6, 20232 yr by Drogba1