6 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Lots wrong with that imo.

- Chilwell + Mudryk will run into each other. 

- Midfield lacks production. 

- Lavia isn't a defensive midfielder. 

- Nkunku as a lone ST is a waste. Best as a connector from midfield to attack. 

 

Nah I disagree with basically everyone, I'm also basing this on what we have right now, ideally we get a new keeper, LB, and striker. Nkunku up top isn't ideal but I don't think we can see Jackson leading the line much longer, he's truly atrocious.  

Back to a Conte 3-4-2-1 ?

Perhaps that would offer more protection to Silva and Sanchez... Let's try playing Broja/Palmer as the No 9 and get Mudryk on as he seems to draw the free kick and his pace (bit like Werners') frightens defences..

Stop all this playing it across the goal at the back - gives me a heart attack - especially when the other sign are obviously pressing high up!

 

Stick with Pooch for the season at least... if it doesn't work out bring back Conte rather than Jose, less drama, he probably wouldn't accept a role where he can't decide who we're going to sign though.

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Bebe1980

14 hours ago, Jezz said:

The concern from fans is understandable.

The next 6 PL games are against teams below us on the ladder. Need to start making some inroads here.

• Everton (A)
• Sheffield United (H)
• Wolves (A)
• Crystal Palace (H)
• Luton Town (A)
• Fulham (H)

All winnable games if we can perform to our potential.

If we put in a performance like yesterday we are not winning anyone of these games....none. 

1 minute ago, CFCCAN said:

If we put in a performance like yesterday we are not winning anyone of these games....none. 

You're right we need 110% every game until, like Manure, we start grinding out a run of results - it's simply not going to happen for us, whatever system we play, if our boyz are not TRULY giving everything .

10 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I don't see any other choice to be honest, and at the very least it'll put some players back in their strongest positions. This team simply cannot defend, whether its down to personnel, tactics or a bit of both. Something needs to change. 

Sanchez

Badiashile Silva Colwill

James Caicedo Enzo Maatsen

Palmer  Sterling

Jackson

 

Hmmm what is the difference between what you propose than

Jackson 

Chilwell - Chuku - Sterling 

Gallagher - Enzo

Colwill - Silva - Disasi - Gusto

? 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Hmmm what is the difference between what you propose than

Jackson 

Chilwell - Chuku - Sterling 

Gallagher - Enzo

Colwill - Silva - Disasi - Gusto

? 

 

 

 

Colwill isn’t LB

Sterling closer to goal

Jackson closer with inside forwards

Disasi lack of pace mitigated with Badiashile 

14 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Colwill isn’t LB

Sterling closer to goal

Jackson closer with inside forwards

Disasi lack of pace mitigated with Badiashile 

Badi was injured. 

Chuku drifted middle, Sterling drifted middle. So the same. 

Defensive responsibility of LCB n lb is quite similar. It depend on the winger in front of them. 

So it is basically the same system that poch used early in the season that everyone here hate. 

 

 

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

For those wanting Pochettino sacked now, who do we realistically bring in?

Don't want him sacked but if he fails long-term I wouldn't mind someone like Xabi Alonso being given a shot.

Who'd you go for?

4 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

If we put in a performance like yesterday we are not winning anyone of these games....none. 

And if we play like we did vs City we win all of them.

No two games are the same, we won the UCL two months after Big Sam came to The Bridge and made us hold 5.

31 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

Don't want him sacked but if he fails long-term I wouldn't mind someone like Xabi Alonso being given a shot.

Who'd you go for?

Really don't know at this point. Don't follow the other leagues enough to know any good managers from there.

If Pochettino fails (which he will imo) come the end of the season first and foremost I want a coach he not only commands respect, but demands it, who I also able to organize our defence in to a cohesive unit. Go from there.

2 hours ago, Amputechture said:

Don't want him sacked but if he fails long-term I wouldn't mind someone like Xabi Alonso being given a shot.

Who'd you go for?

Alonso is projected to be Ancelotti's successor in Madrid so he's definitely an unrealistic option. But the thing is, who would want this job anyway?

A top manager wouldn't go anywhere near us right now, and the younger promising ones are probably learning from the experiences of Lamps and Potter. If the latter had stayed at Brighton we'd still be talking about him as the next big thing, and today he's like 8 months without a club. 

I'm afraid right now we're only attractive to those whose career is on the decline, and they're trying to revive it. (Pochettino?)

If this "project" fails miserably and he gets sacked, I wouldn't be surprised if Jose comes back in the summer. And I think it wouldn't be a good idea, no matter how much I admire him.

14 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Let's not have an agenda get in the way of fact:

Casadei, Angelo, Santos, Ogochukwu, Jackson, Carney, Palmer, Badiashile are all great value signings. 

Now the sporting directors, owners, and coaches need to collaborate and find the best solution to add some experience. And plug some holes created by consistent injuries. 

What evidence are you basing this on. This is your opinion, which is fine, but it's not backed up currently with evidence.

Whilst most of these may become the stars that we want few are really showing progression towards that.

Casadei struggling at Leicester, Angelo good in the French league upon occasion, Santos cannot make the bench for a side diving down through the trapdoor. Oguchukwu I like. I like them all but will he develop, jury is out currently. Jackson miles off. Carney I really like and I'm praying he returns as good as he was. Palmer a rare Ray of sunshine for us. Badiashile, I agree is developing well.

However from the group you have selected the two most promising are PL experienced players and Badiashile was established within France. The group I had in mind were Santos, Casadei, Angelo, Morreira, Paez, Washington,  Jackson, DD Fofana, and to a lesser extent Ugochukwu 

Any top manger worth their salt would stay well away now if we sack Poch after one season. We have gone through every single top manger bar pep and klopp who wouldn’t even touch us with a 100 metre pole. 
I starting to get the feeling certain fans haven’t accepted where we are now and we need stability not flip flopping at the end every season. 
 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

I starting to get the feeling certain fans haven’t accepted where we are now and we need stability not flip flopping at the end every season. 

We absolutely do not need stability if the manager can't organize a side to save his life. I was not a big fan of Potter but Poch is somehow doing even worse.
At the most alarming part? Here's how a correspondent described his time at PSG. Ring any bells? 

 Pochettino has been at the club for a year, and the team is struggling to cohere. They cannot beat a press or build from the back. They have no circuits of passing. There is not enough movement; no triangles, no overlaps. The consensus within the dressing room is that Pochettino is great at the man-management aspect of the job and the players like him, but many feel like he is too limited tactically or at least that they are not working hard enough on their tactics. It could be a reason why there hasn't been sufficient improvement as a collective.

It looks like we've hired the wrong manager, again.

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by OriginalS

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Any top manger worth their salt would stay well away now if we sack Poch after one season. We have gone through every single top manger bar pep and klopp who wouldn’t even touch us with a 100 metre pole. 
I starting to get the feeling certain fans haven’t accepted where we are now and we need stability not flip flopping at the end every season. 
 

No top manager would take a job under such a moronic owner which is why we ended up with Poch and Potter to begin with.

No top manager will deal with a moron wanting to sell his entire squad and keep signing his favorite youth kids from his football manager save.

If Poch goes we'll get another flavour of the month manager who's won nothing but "overperformed" taking his team from 17th to 12th

Fulhams on a good run.  Marco Silva anyone?

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

12 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

If we put in a performance like yesterday we are not winning anyone of these games....none. 

If we put in a performance like we did against Citeh, Arsenal, Brighton we ain't losing any of those games.

Stay positive 🤣

So people want to abandon a project manager back for a winning at all costs manager?

f**k me, absolutely years of moaning about Tuchel ruining the club and ruining football, now people want that type of manager back because they don't have the patience to deal with it.

Mourinho shouts are wild. 

Rumours are the ownership have been in contact with Hansi Flick.

29 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

So people want to abandon a project manager back for a winning at all costs manager?

f**k me, absolutely years of moaning about Tuchel ruining the club and ruining football, now people want that type of manager back because they don't have the patience to deal with it.

Some of us liked Tuchel.  Infact the vast majority of real Chelsea supporters did. He got the club more than any manager we've had since Jose and was absolutely incredible for us.

I've been against pretty much all our signings from the start and wish this sham of an idea people pretend is a serious project was implemented at Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool or Westham not us but even for those that foolishly believe in it it's as Tuchel said.

"You can say you have a project but if you're not winning games no one believes in the project anymore"

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

18 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

I'm not arguing it.

I'm stating it as a fact. Our business has been horrible.

I'm really not sure what Metric you can use to suggest a young player that couldn't get in the Villa team with 1 year left on his contract who didn't want to sign another was a bargain at £20m but I suspect it's the same fantasy metrics Todd uses which have little basis on actual football which is why we've spiraled backwards at a rate of knots the more signings come in despite having more £15-£25m young players than we've had wins since he bought the club.

With dozens of signings every window and over a billion spent you'll be able to pick out the odd performer but as a squad I think we have the lowest amount of talent per pound spent in the sports history.

It's frightening how bad our recruitment has been.

Well then it seems to be a pointless discussion if you can't even recognise the difference between opinion and fact. 

Carney was a youngster being groomed for the Villa 1st team. Considered by many scouts to be a great talent with big potential. He rejected an extension hence the bargain price. Spinning the story any other way is nonsensical. No fantasy metrics. A superb talent, well scouted and signed for 20m in today's market...

'Lowest amount of talent per pound in sports history' - Jesus christ man get a grip. If you bought 20x 15 year old Messis for a billion and the team was similarly inconsistent would you say the same? Context is everything. We may be unbalanced and inexperienced but fans of most teams in the league would kill to have some of the talent we've recruited recently. 

22 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Some of us liked Tuchel.  Infact the vast majority of real Chelsea supporters did. He got the club more than any manager we've had since Jose and was absolutely incredible for us.

I've been against pretty much all our signings from the start and wish this sham of an idea people pretend is a serious project was implemented at Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool or Westham not us but even for those that foolishly believe in it it's as Tuchel said.

"You can say you have a project but if you're not winning games no one believes in the project anymore"

Mate I was one of his biggest fanboys, I still am, I love Tommy and I would take him back in a heartbeat. But I remember many on here didn't like him, in fact, many on here still slag him off despite winning us the biggest trophy in football. 

Listen I think you're a berk who's extremely negative but I'm not going to say you're wrong all the time. Sacking Tuchel and replacing him with Potter was one of the most stupid decisions I've seen in football. But believe me when I tell you there's a strange animosity against Tuchel from many Chelsea supporters that I will never understand, my theory is it's because he replaced Frank Lampard who divided a lot of opinions, so the bloke never really had a chance to win some of our base over. 

 

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Victor90

14 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Back to a Conte 3-4-2-1 ?

Perhaps that would offer more protection to Silva and Sanchez... Let's try playing Broja/Palmer as the No 9 and get Mudryk on as he seems to draw the free kick and his pace (bit like Werners') frightens defences..

Stop all this playing it across the goal at the back - gives me a heart attack - especially when the other sign are obviously pressing high up!

 

Stick with Pooch for the season at least... if it doesn't work out bring back Conte rather than Jose, less drama, he probably wouldn't accept a role where he can't decide who we're going to sign though.

Back to Conte 3-4-2-1 means we are already defeated as a club. Nobody plays like that, at least not any side that plays the most updated way and that is winning matches.

Play Enzo deeper like it's supposed to be and let Caicedo have more freedom to press because right now he's a shadow of himself. 

Let's examine some situations;

Hojlund decided to take a shot, if he had passed to Bruno it's a goal, Enzo is playing too far up the pitch, Caicedo can't mark everyone by himself, Enzo is out of position and late:

Enzo also came late and conceded a penalty as well. When we lost possession it's also largley due to Enzo not being anywhere near our passing sequence, 4 players around Palmer:

Just prior to them scoring, Enzo was as high up the pitch as Mudryk:

We actually scored when Enzo came to play deeper and when he really was in line with Caicedo in a 4-2-3-1 like it's supposed to be, you can actually see Palmer making the run:

Enzo is given far too much freedom by Poch. I don't care what his dad wants he should be playing deeper because this isn't going to work.

 

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by Gol15

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Rumours are the ownership have been in contact with Hansi Flick.

But what's the point? Hire someone until things quick?

I rather stick with Poch, if Flick is the alternative. 

He did win the treble with Bayern but he took over when they were disfuctional (just like us tbf) but the resources he had were far better than what we have now.

And his spell with Germany was also quite underwhelming. 

58 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Well then it seems to be a pointless discussion if you can't even recognise the difference between opinion and fact. 

Carney was a youngster being groomed for the Villa 1st team. Considered by many scouts to be a great talent with big potential. He rejected an extension hence the bargain price. Spinning the story any other way is nonsensical. No fantasy metrics. A superb talent, well scouted and signed for 20m in today's market...

'Lowest amount of talent per pound in sports history' - Jesus christ man get a grip. If you bought 20x 15 year old Messis for a billion and the team was similarly inconsistent would you say the same? Context is everything. We may be unbalanced and inexperienced but fans of most teams in the league would kill to have some of the talent we've recruited recently. 

It is pointless discussion because you're completely deluded.  Your blind hope has crossed into Delusion.

I'm wondering why you're drawing a parralel between our young deadwood and Messi instead of highly rated young players like Bojan, Kakuta, Mceachran, Kiko Macheda, Di Santo, and El Hadji Diouf?

How many Ballond'ors did Messi have when he was Mudryks age?

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/carney-chukwuemeka/marktwertverlauf/spieler/659459

It's not like there's any concrete way to access a players value and he's a prospect but let's not pretend Chuk was a bargain.  £20m is a lot of money for a player that hasn't shown anything and we've made far far too many of those signings.  A lot of money for very little.

It's Tiring the same people pretending we're an inconsistent team when we're not. We're just consistently poor which is why we've picked up less points than Everton this season,  less points than Everton in 2023 and less points than Everton over our last 38 games under 3 different managers.

We're a poor team because the young players we've brought in are in many cases just not good enough and they show it every time they're on the pitch even if you'd like to ignore it and pretend they're top talents because your playstation told you so.