7 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

To be honest the more I talk about it the more I'm blaming Pochettino. There is absolutely no way you give Pep or Klopp this team and he doesn't have them in the top 4.

Pep's City are on a PL run of DDDL and they only have 4 players unavailable. 

How do you think he'd cope with 10 out like Poch had tonight ? Still have us in Top 4 ?

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Much like Spurs and Newcastle, from the word GO this team wasn’t prepared. 

I can actually somewhat forgive the first half performance as despite everything we offered a threat going the other way but the second half was unforgivable.

Now we're likely going to be again be under extreme pressure at home vs SHU as I have no faith we'll get 3 points at Goodison with the way Dyche has them playing.

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

How many Brighton players would start for us? Only Mitoma, Ferguson and Estupinan, and Estupinan has been injured most of the season.

 

Why can Brighton challenge for Europe, whilst playing Europa League games mid week, yet we can't?

Given our starting goal keeper couldn't get a game for them last season you've missed at least one.

Just now, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Given our starting goal keeper couldn't get a game for them last season you've missed at least one.

It's was pretty 50/50 between Sanchez and Steele.

 

And that would still only be 4.

 

Why do players like Caicedo and Colwill look fantastic at Brighton, yet struggle here? Does coaching not have anything to do with it?

While we have struggled for any consistent form so far, I'll be surprised if Poch is shown the door this season. To be honest I am not really sure anybody would be able to come in and bring any sort of immediate turnaround with this set of players. Worth noting (or more like hoping) that Poch had a similarly underwhelming start at Spurs. Things only started to improve in the second half of his first season, before he followed that with 2 of their best league seasons. Seems like that is a pipe dream at the moment but we can hope. 

25 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

To be honest the more I talk about it the more I'm blaming Pochettino. There is absolutely no way you give Pep or Klopp this team and he doesn't have them in the top 4.

No question about it. Maybe not in the middle of the season. You give this to pep last summer, easy top 4. 

He would have sold they guy in your profile pic though and many more. 

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3 minutes ago, forbzy said:

While we have struggled for any consistent form so far, I'll be surprised if Poch is shown the door this season. To be honest I am not really sure anybody would be able to come in and bring any sort of immediate turnaround with this set of players. Worth noting (or more like hoping) that Poch had a similarly underwhelming start at Spurs. Things only started to improve in the second half of his first season, before he followed that with 2 of their best league seasons. Seems like that is a pipe dream at the moment but we can hope. 

It's the hope that kills you.

11 minutes ago, forbzy said:

While we have struggled for any consistent form so far, I'll be surprised if Poch is shown the door this season. To be honest I am not really sure anybody would be able to come in and bring any sort of immediate turnaround with this set of players. Worth noting (or more like hoping) that Poch had a similarly underwhelming start at Spurs. Things only started to improve in the second half of his first season, before he followed that with 2 of their best league seasons. Seems like that is a pipe dream at the moment but we can hope. 

You raise an interesting point about his underwhelming start at Spurs. The numbers look fairly similar to what we're seeing with us at the moment.

Tottenham 2014/15 (first 15 PL games) = 6 wins, 3 draws, 6 losses (21 points) = 10th

Chelsea 2023/24 (first 15 PL games) = 5 wins, 4 draws, 6 losses (19 points) = 10th

27 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

No question about it. Maybe not in the middle of the season. You give this to pep last summer, easy top 4. 

He would have sold they guy in your profile pic though and many more. 

No chance he sells Mudryk, a season or 2 under a top manager like Pep improve his end product and he would be one of the best wingers in the league easy.

30 minutes ago, forbzy said:

While we have struggled for any consistent form so far, I'll be surprised if Poch is shown the door this season. To be honest I am not really sure anybody would be able to come in and bring any sort of immediate turnaround with this set of players. Worth noting (or more like hoping) that Poch had a similarly underwhelming start at Spurs. Things only started to improve in the second half of his first season, before he followed that with 2 of their best league seasons. Seems like that is a pipe dream at the moment but we can hope. 

I don't disagree with this to be fair, I still think at this point we may as well give him the season to see how we improve and if we can improve our consistency. Seeing a disheartening performance like that followed by a "the lads gave everything" speech is usually a sign that the writing, although small, is on the wall.

Pochettino ain't the main problem.  

 

I mean he is not good enough for an elite club and will fail here imo. But so will the next one, and the one after, and the one after etc.

 

Under this ownership don't expect better, you will only be disappointed 

55 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

No chance he sells Mudryk, a season or 2 under a top manager like Pep improve his end product and he would be one of the best wingers in the league easy.

🤭🤭🤭

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Pochettino ain't the main problem.  

 

I mean he is not good enough for an elite club and will fail here imo. But so will the next one, and the one after, and the one after etc.

 

Under this ownership don't expect better, you will only be disappointed 

Agreed. Like it or not we are definitely in a massive transition currently. Look how many players have left and been brought in the last year. Poch has a 2 year contract and I would say his main task for now is to try to build a decent side. Realistically I don't see Poch as somebody who will necessarily win trophies at Chelsea. But I am hoping we will be in a better position when he leaves than when he arrived. Honestly that shouldn't be too difficult to achieve.

Despite I think the manager has made a lot of mistakes this game, I don’t think there is any point in removing the manager anymore until the owner is gone

the owner is the reason why we are in his big mess, not Poch

39 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Despite I think the manager has made a lot of mistakes this game, I don’t think there is any point in removing the manager anymore until the owner is gone

the owner is the reason why we are in his big mess, not Poch

Poch should be able to finish top 8 with this squad though if he gets a player he needs in January, whoever that might be.

The player-power must not break his skill of building a decent team nor the owners, what's done is done but I believe it's possible to make this squad look better than this last performance.

47 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Despite I think the manager has made a lot of mistakes this game, I don’t think there is any point in removing the manager anymore until the owner is gone

the owner is the reason why we are in his big mess, not Poch

I'm all for patience but 8+ more years seems quite generous for any manager 😉

Sack poch and bring Mourinho back here

Although i think he isn't leaving Roma unless for Real Madrid or Saudi Arabia 

He was treated like king at Roma

 

Given our current status and recruitment model, I don't think any elite managers will touch us anytime soon. To be honest, I think Chelsea needs him more than the other way around.

We'd be mental to sack Pochettino at this point.

Let's see how this evolves before making another impulsive decision.

There is a talk of sacking poch. 

Other than Newcastle and united, imo our performance has been good but the result is clearly not good enough, still football is a result business, sacking poch is fair.

Now, what do you expect new guy to do? 

Some say structure but I have never seen any team make dramatic changes unless you change the player who play. Not sure whoever comes in can change anything because there is no one left to play 😂😂😂

Against united, we had bunch of kids + half fit James + Borja (will get injured if he play a lot) + Maatsen. 😂😂😂

 

10 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

There is a talk of sacking poch. 

Other than Newcastle and united, imo our performance has been good but the result is clearly not good enough, still football is a result business, sacking poch is fair.

Now, what do you expect new guy to do? 

Some say structure but I have never seen any team make dramatic changes unless you change the player who play. Not sure whoever comes in can change anything because there is no one left to play 😂😂😂

Against united, we had bunch of kids + half fit James + Borja (will get injured if he play a lot) + Maatsen. 😂😂😂

 

Think the talk is just from fans. Nobody is reporting the owners are thinking of getting rid of Pochettino 

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Think the talk is just from fans. Nobody is reporting the owners are thinking of getting rid of Pochettino 

I think sacking poch right now will do more harm than good because whoever comes in will not be able to tweak anything. 

 

19 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I think sacking poch right now will do more harm than good because whoever comes in will not be able to tweak anything. 

 

Bit like removing Potter for Lamps.

5 hours ago, timetowaste said:

No chance he sells Mudryk, a season or 2 under a top manager like Pep improve his end product and he would be one of the best wingers in the league easy.

On what evidence though.

12 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Bit like removing Potter for Lamps.

I think potter was sacked in that moment because of some  position in PL table clause in his contract  otherwise he would have stayed till the end (would have still get sacked though )