4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

On what evidence though.

Mudryk is an anti pep player. 

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Bob stark

Had a poor night yesterday.. it’s clear as night and day that Colwill is not a LB .. his positioning and read of play is very suspect as a LB and he offers nothing upfront.. CC on the right when you have James available again baffling. 
 

On a big pitch like Utd we couldn’t hide silva .. we had to play so deep that we regularly got caught in transition. Unlike at the bridge where we generally need 3-4 passes we needed many more and that slowed us down offensively. not to mention how crapy our forward play was because our fullbacks couldn’t overlap.. we literally asked our players to do worldies and complete take ons everytime. Not a single play where we did give and goes ..
 

This was not a game for Silva defensively either- everyone knows Utd is a counterattacking team so we needed some pace at the back.. 

Lastly Poch waited too long - we were on the ropes from the 55th minute and yet Maatsen was getting introduced around the 67th. We needed a third body in the midfield today - our 2 couldn’t cope with their 3 ..

really poor game for Poch to lose to a team without a striker and actually we were extremely lucky to only concede 2 we should have conceded atleast 5-6- so bad was our performance.

38 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Mudryk is an anti pep player. 

He wouldn't buy him by choice but if he already had him he would definitely make him a better player and get the most out of him.

6 minutes ago, Remodez said:

He wouldn't buy him by choice but if he already had him he would definitely make him a better player and get the most out of him.

Nope, pep absolutely hate player who lose the ball. 

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Nope, pep absolutely hate player who lose the ball. 

Well it's a good thing Mudyrk can actually pass, just needs to be coached to keep it simple which is what Pep's system encourages. 

Just now, Remodez said:

Well it's a good thing Mudyrk can actually pass, just needs to be coached to keep it simple which is what Pep's system encourages. 

His slip pass won't matter, no way Mudryk will play as creator for pep. 

The only way Mudryk to play for pep team if he is willing to run behind more and play simple pass (Pedro) but if he is willing to run behind more and play simple ball, this whole conversation about Mudryk being raw doesn't happen. 

 

Unfortunately he further lost my confidence with his post-match press conference yesterday.
Back in July he was unequivocal about what he's here to do: 

"In football, it is difficult to wait," he added. "At Chelsea you need to deliver from day 1. What we are working now in the training ground is about delivering from now, to give our best. Football is about today or yesterday. We cannot talk long term. We cannot tell people we need six months, I think it is not good. We are going to have a squad of players who can deliver."

Yesterday he was so firmly on the excuse train that he could have been Potter himself and that for me was an absolute disgrace after that showing. 

33 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Unfortunately he further lost my confidence with his post-match press conference yesterday.
Back in July he was unequivocal about what he's here to do: 

"In football, it is difficult to wait," he added. "At Chelsea you need to deliver from day 1. What we are working now in the training ground is about delivering from now, to give our best. Football is about today or yesterday. We cannot talk long term. We cannot tell people we need six months, I think it is not good. We are going to have a squad of players who can deliver."

Yesterday he was so firmly on the excuse train that he could have been Potter himself and that for me was an absolute disgrace after that showing. 

What’s he supposed to say that the players are sh*t the owners spent money on players who aren’t even ready yet. He has to manage moral the players should know that wasn’t good enough they do don’t then we definitely have the wrong players.

 

29 minutes ago, El regreso said:

What’s he supposed to say that the players are sh*t the owners spent money on players who aren’t even ready yet. He has to manage moral the players should know that wasn’t good enough they do don’t then we definitely have the wrong players.

 

Squad is far from great. That's not on Pochettino.

But what is on him is the fact that everyone is getting worse. No one is going to tell me another manager could not get more out of Caicedo & Enzo for example and no one is going to tell me another manager wouldn't have us more organized.

He publically set the standard himself back in July and I liked him for that. I do not like that he's utterly failing to meet it and I definitly don't like it when the bar increasingly seem to be lowered and the excuses start to come out of the woodwork.

On this level, tactical level is important and we're lacking hardly. 

Our buildup play is very poor, we're losing too many simple passes and our options are not creative enough. Caicedo and Enzo supposed to be the key players for this play, but do they know where to move, when to move and how to receive the ball ?

I was positive against City because I had a feeling that we were special and creative there so we were close to win the game, but it seems that City in a poor form and that's it.

I don't see any solutions during the game, the only rotation of position is Palmer that has a freedom to move all around and something Sterling cutting inside to receive the ball.

United in the past games always pushing their fullbacks inside, especially Dalot who gave an extra player in midfield to improve the possession, what was our solution to that? 

To be honest, I'm disappointed.

I was a big advocate of the Pochettino appointment, but last night, for the first time, I am having my doubts.

No excuses. You could argue that we perhaps played Utd at the wrong time. After their shambolic display v Newcastle, they HAD to up their game and with the changes to the team, they looked better (although still average). BUT if we play like we did against City, Arsenal and Spurs, we should be winning that easily. But almost to a man, we didn't turn up, with only Silva and Palmer showing anything like form. And that HAS to fall on Pochettino. The trying to play out from the back but not having players good enough to do it and constantly giving the ball to United was possibly the worst I have ever seen. Very few clean tackles won, very few key forward passes, Utd having 28 shots on goal to our 13 where we hardly troubled their keeper. That was as poor as it gets and for me Pochettino has to shoulder the blame.

We all knew this season would be about the "project" and I was prepared for a lot of one step forward, two steps back, but last night was 10 steps back and simply not good enough.

 

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Nibs

The concern from fans is understandable.

The next 6 PL games are against teams below us on the ladder. Need to start making some inroads here.

• Everton (A)
• Sheffield United (H)
• Wolves (A)
• Crystal Palace (H)
• Luton Town (A)
• Fulham (H)

All winnable games if we can perform to our potential.

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Jezz

He needs to be a lot more tactically flexible, especially when his Plan A isn't exactly setting the league on fire. I will reserve judgement though until end of season when we've had a good run of games with everyone fit. 

15 minutes ago, Jezz said:

The concern from fans is understandable.

The next 6 PL games are against teams below us on the ladder. Need to start making some inroads here.

• Everton (A)
• Sheffield United (H)
• Wolves (A)
• Crystal Palace (H)
• Luton Town (A)
• Fulham (H)

All winnable games if we can perform to our potential.

We will lose or draw the majority of those games all they need to do is sit in a low block.

I keep mentioning it on the forum set your expectations accordingly.

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by El regreso

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

On what evidence though.

Eye test mainly. You can look at him and see he has something special, if he's on the ball with space to run he was the only player last night that I thought could do something. His pace and technical ability is top class, unfortunately at the moment he plays like he hasn't figured out how to piece it together and that's where he needs a manager that's going to help him do that, I think Poch has improved him but not enough as of yet, like most of our players.

Like alot in here i was happy with the appointment of Pochetino but i am having doubts and disappointed with his performance, from player motivation, tactics, subs, and most of all organisation. 

These are all international players and injuries are not an excuse for our performances. 

All our players look confused, passing without a plan and in general poor. 

For instance Caicedo and Fernández were two of the best young midfielders in the world yet they are getting dominated. This is managers fault.

Have a look at Ancelotti, he has taken Bellinghams game to a different level. I am sure even if Bellingham was here we wouldn't be in the top 4 because his form would reflect the teams. 

I hope pochetino can change it but atm i am very disappointed and upset with him.

37 minutes ago, Jezz said:

The concern from fans is understandable.

The next 6 PL games are against teams below us on the ladder. Need to start making some inroads here.

• Everton (A)
• Sheffield United (H)
• Wolves (A)
• Crystal Palace (H)
• Luton Town (A)
• Fulham (H)

All winnable games if we can perform to our potential.

We generally play more to our potential against the top teams. It's teams on that list that bring out the worst in us. So December could be a grim, grim month.

 

Last night, against a United team in chaos and on the back of a morale-boosting, backs-to-the-wall win with 10 men, was definitely a winnable game, but we were a disgrace.

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Backbiter

5 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

We generally play more to our potential against the top teams. It's teams on that list that bring out the worst in us. So December could be a grim, grim month.

 

Last night, against a United team in chaos and on the back of a morale-boosting, backs-to-the-wall win with 10 men, was definitely a winnable game, but we were a disgrace.

Always has been historically so it's very worrying we are only 3 points away from dropping to 15th. 

Poch is not the man for the job and I wouldn’t want to bet whether we will be better or worse by the end of the season. That said it will be terrible if we do get worse and have to sack him too soon. 
 

 

53 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Eye test mainly. You can look at him and see he has something special, if he's on the ball with space to run he was the only player last night that I thought could do something. His pace and technical ability is top class, unfortunately at the moment he plays like he hasn't figured out how to piece it together and that's where he needs a manager that's going to help him do that, I think Poch has improved him but not enough as of yet, like most of our players.

He is like Theo Walcott with even less end product, and even worse decision making. 

Yesterday was the first big doubt against Poch, but really what's more concerning is how much we've spent to have the squad that we have. Way too many weaknesses all over the starting 11. 

Sterling: good off the ball, will score goals, poor link up

Jackson: good pace, reasonable hold up, poor link up, poor finishing 

Mudryk: premature ejaculator

Palmer: best attacker, lacks pace/physicality to play deeper in midfield - best when we're pressing high

Caicedo: think he's doing alright, reserving judgement

Enzo: tidy on the ball, awful finisher, bad defensively - not sure where he fits in, probably needs Gallagher playing to cover his deficiencies 

Gallagher: great work rate, average on the ball, poor in final third 

Silva: great footballing brain, too slow, can't pay a high line

James/Chilly - always injured

Disasi - good squad player, shouldn't be starting

 

I know we have load of injuries, but these players just don't seem to fit together. We'd probably work better as a counter attacking team, with Palmer wide right, Gallagher left, Sterling off of a striker. 

Our build-up is pretty crap and our off the ball movements/passing in final third is terrible. We have an abundance of pace up top, with no guile, then cooler heads at the back who aren't suited to a high line.

 

No manager fixes these problems. We desperately need players back from injury, because the team is so unbalanced right now. Pochettino needs to do better too, Badiashille and Colwill should be starting together at centre back regularly. Thiago Silva is still the best one, but we need to think long term, and we have to make certain allowances to have him in the team.

Hopefully Lavia will see us look less shaky playing out, as he is excellent under the press, and he can carry the ball too, which we really lacked last night. 

Nkunku cant come back quick enough, Jackson and Mudryk are far too raw. You can maybe bring through one of those players, but both will cause issues, which is generally the problem with how we have constructed this whole rebuild. 

Too many raw players that are having to carry the can, and not enough players in their prime that can consistantly perform. 

Not sure how much is left I'm the coffers, but we need a prime attacker, either a striker or wide player depending on the plan for Nkunku. Then we are at a log jam with expensive young players in every other position. Maybe try and shift Chilwell and Cucurella and get a top left back in?

Not really sure how we fix this, might just be a case of hoping the players improve massively in the next 18 months, and hoping the club doesnt get relegated in the mean time.

Pochettino: We couldn't match the energy

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/pochettino-we-couldnt-match-the-energy

 

Poch stated he couldn’t rotate enough players due to injury so the players were tired and had one less day to recover and had to okay 60 minutes with 10 men.

 

 

 

All this talk of Poch being sacked is mental. It’s Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart that should be immediately removed. All this sh*te we’ve bought for big money was nothing to do with our current manager. 

14 minutes ago, SimonH said:

All this talk of Poch being sacked is mental. It’s Paul Winstanley and Laurence Stewart that should be immediately removed. All this sh*te we’ve bought for big money was nothing to do with our current manager. 

Our current manager has shown in the past he has ability to manage a team at a high level, only 2 of the players in our squad have shown the ability to play at a high level.

The project has been a disaster and it won't be an easy fix with the length of the contracts some players have.

Edited December 7, 20232 yr by Sheva