I’m starting to worry the owners will panic and sack him now. What the hell happened to us after the morale boosters vs Spurs and City?!

Sacking him won't make a difference, but two losses in a row is only going to mount the pressure from the fans and the board. Needs to fix things quickly or hope one of the injured players coming back bails the team out of the sh*t we are in.

Poch has made a lot of mistake but the biggest issue at the club is not him but the ownership

As long as Todd Boehly and co still make awful decisions in transfer market this team wont go anywhere

 

we need PROVEN, DEVELOPED players with EXPERIENCE so they wont panic whenever things start to go bad, now we are bunch of kids who had talent but cant deal with any pressure

2 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I’m starting to worry the owners will panic and sack him now. What the hell happened to us after the morale boosters vs Spurs and City?!

the owners will sack Poch to cover their ass, if they dont do anything the fans will turn on both Poch AND the ownership, by saving their ass the ownership will find a scapegoat 

So today's excuse?

Everton had one less days rest, made them sharper.

Lol

Ownership are majority to blame but let’s be honest Poch hasn’t done himself any favors with his management. Wayward tactics, poor defensive organization and far too many gaps between midfield and attack. He should be doing far better.
 

If we head into the January market scouting the same profile of players then we truly are doo ed. 

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So today's excuse?

Everton had one less days rest, made them sharper.

Lol

Yeah, his comment after the Utd game bite him in the ass.

He looks lost out there. He's throwing everything to see if something stick and nothing is working.

Imo, he's a dead man walking just looking at his body language. Let's see how long until the ownership pulls the trigger.

Edited December 10, 20232 yr by Ledgerson

There is no turning this around from here, Pochettino has already failed. If you can't change a single thing about the identity of the team in 6 months, then you have failed. Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho, Howe, Arteta, even Sean f**king Dyche. These coaches come in and immediately you see a new identity, even if the results didn't come straight away. Pochettino has done nothing, he has no identity. 

Doesn’t matter who the manager is, we are still stuck with these spineless players for another 8 years. 

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

There is no turning this around from here, Pochettino has already failed. If you can't change a single thing about the identity of the team in 6 months, then you have failed. Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho, Howe, Arteta, even Sean f**king Dyche. These coaches come in and immediately you see a new identity, even if the results didn't come straight away. Pochettino has done nothing, he has no identity. 

I'm not trying to defend Poch but the idea Arteta was showing signs from day one is such a massive myth.

He sh*thoused a cup with Emery's players but for the first 18-24 months he was playing such boring, defensive football and still relying on the keepers to save him.

7 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

the owners will sack Poch to cover their ass, if they dont do anything the fans will turn on both Poch AND the ownership, by saving their ass the ownership will find a scapegoat 

Probably. And if they do I am sure we will be in the same position, if not worse, about 6-10 months on.

3 minutes ago, Ledgerson said:

Yeah, his comment after the Utd game bite him in the ass.

He looks lost out there. He's throwing everything to see if something stick and nothing is working.

Imo, he's a dead man walking just looking at his body language. Let's see how long until the ownership pulls the trigger.

the ownership can sack him but nothing would change, the team is still young as sh*t, inexperience and so raw that will crumble whenever there is any adversity.

Just now, cfcforeverfan said:

the ownership can sack him but nothing would change, the team is still young as sh*t, inexperience and so raw that will crumble whenever there is any adversity.

Yeah but it's a lot easier to change the manager than the players.

And good luck with their 10 year contracts. lol

He's nearly lost me now.

Colwill as a literal LB (can understand it if we were a back 3 in possesion with the RB inverting/overlapping) and Enzo playing further forward is criminal incompetence.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Probably. And if they do I am sure we will be in the same position, if not worse, about 6-10 months on.

we will always be in the same position as long as Clearlake is our owner

 

we need a Clearlake out campaign, and we need it fast before they get us into national league, we will violate FFP rule really soon and either we force to sell our players cheap to cover the loss or we get points deducted like Everton and eventually relegated

If Poch keeps forcing a 4-2-3-1 with out the outside backs to run it he should be sacked. We have plenty of experienced players, they're just all hurt.

A good manager doesn't do everything, but the team needs to get better at something, what can we point at and say we do well.

Under Mourinho, Conte, Sarri and Tuchel - All of those managers we did something well, and rather immediately. Lampard, Potter and Pochettino, I can't say any phase of the game I see improvemnet.

Starting to look like Poch relied on Harry Kane to make him look good.

We have to stick with him, but I bet questions are being asked.  The players are not good enough, but it is bigger than that.  The whole club culture is way off.  We have no identity, and I've defended the owners strongly, but reality is they have no real understanding of football and it is showing.  Top to bottom, side to side, the club is in freefall.

Stats do not lie.  Calendar year 2023 we are 16th, but you have to exclude teams 18-23 as they have all played less games due to relegation/promotion.  We are on relegation form, and the sample is one season now.  We win one in four games.

It is appalling.  It is embarrassing.  The most inept Chelsea team, owners thru players, I have seen in 40 years.

 

Just now, Ledgerson said:

Yeah but it's a lot easier to change the manager than the players.

And good luck with their 10 year contracts. lol

thats why i said we need Clearlake out campaign more than a Poch out campaign

1 minute ago, Wearyourblue said:

If Poch keeps forcing a 4-2-3-1 with out the outside backs to run it he should be sacked. We have plenty of experienced players, they're just all hurt.

A good manager doesn't do everything, but the team needs to get better at something, what can we point at and say we do well.

Under Mourinho, Conte, Sarri and Tuchel - All of those managers we did something well, and rather immediately. Lampard, Potter and Pochettino, I can't say any phase of the game I see improvemnet.

Starting to look like Poch relied on Harry Kane to make him look good.

or maybe Clearlake is the problem?

Thing is, Nagelsmann looks like a mistake for the national team and Enrique has been shocking at PSG. 
 

The managerial candidacy at the time wasn’t the greatest. 

I wonder how the lemons in his office are doing

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm not trying to defend Poch but the idea Arteta was showing signs from day one is such a massive myth.

He sh*thoused a cup with Emery's players but for the first 18-24 months he was playing such boring, defensive football and still relying on the keepers to save him.

I think Scott's point is that even thought arteta was sh*t when he came, there was a clear identity he wanted the team to play. Our last three managers including Poch have struggle to show the fans what identity they are bringing to the team. 

Just now, Wearyourblue said:

If Poch keeps forcing a 4-2-3-1 with out the outside backs to run it he should be sacked. We have plenty of experienced players, they're just all hurt.

A good manager doesn't do everything, but the team needs to get better at something, what can we point at and say we do well.

Under Mourinho, Conte, Sarri and Tuchel - All of those managers we did something well, and rather immediately. Lampard, Potter and Pochettino, I can't say any phase of the game I see improvemnet.

Starting to look like Poch relied on Harry Kane to make him look good.

Take another look at that Tottenham squad. Pochettino had them in their prime and won NOTHING. Tottenham won't have a group of players as good as that for decades. They should have competed for trophies every single season.

3 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

We have to stick with him, but I bet questions are being asked.  The players are not good enough, but it is bigger than that.  The whole club culture is way off.  We have no identity, and I've defended the owners strongly, but reality is they have no real understanding of football and it is showing.  Top to bottom, side to side, the club is in freefall.

Stats do not lie.  Calendar year 2023 we are 16th, but you have to exclude teams 18-23 as they have all played less games due to relegation/promotion.  We are on relegation form, and the sample is one season now.  We win one in four games.

It is appalling.  It is embarrassing.  The most inept Chelsea team, owners thru players, I have seen in 40 years.

 

We have won 9 games in 2023 

Edited December 10, 20232 yr by DidierDrogbalala

For the record I don’t believe the owners will sack him, he will get at least till the end of this season and I think that’s fair enough.